APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe a dumb question but will MS boundaries be revised too? We are in the Ashlawn tail and my older child will be in 6th for 21-22.

They should adjust middle s hook boundaries, but they haven’t committed yet.

They just rezoned middle school for Hamm opening this year. They’ll look at them again in a few years, probably for moves before the 2024-25 school year.

That will result in a MESS if they don’t adjust for 2022. The new boundaries are going to result in small pockets of kids who will go to a different middle school than their peers at their new elementary school. Think how awful it would be for your planning units to get moved to a new ES and then your planning unit is the only one zoned to a different middle school.

Ashlawn currently goes to Swanson and Kenmore. Then Swanson goes to W-L and Yorktown. Some kids in Boulevard Manor go from Kenmore to Yorktown currently and I imagine it’s a bit of a culture shock in addition to having their friends mixed up every few years. So yeah, it would suck, but it’s already happening all over the county.

What I am talking about is if now you get a new planning unit with 30 kids (K-5). That unit is zoned to Gunston and Wakefield. In 6th grade, approximating 5 kids would be shunted off to Gunston while everyone else goes to Kenmore and Swanson. Now imagine there are tiny pockets like that at every school - that is a mess that can be avoided. It would be easier on those kids if they chose to realign them to either Kenmore or Swanson. No need for massive community meetings. Those will happen for elementary. After that process, they should do an administrative clean-up of middle school alignment without a big community engagement process.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe a dumb question but will MS boundaries be revised too? We are in the Ashlawn tail and my older child will be in 6th for 21-22.

They should adjust middle s hook boundaries, but they haven’t committed yet.

They just rezoned middle school for Hamm opening this year. They’ll look at them again in a few years, probably for moves before the 2024-25 school year.

That will result in a MESS if they don’t adjust for 2022. The new boundaries are going to result in small pockets of kids who will go to a different middle school than their peers at their new elementary school. Think how awful it would be for your planning units to get moved to a new ES and then your planning unit is the only one zoned to a different middle school.

Ashlawn currently goes to Swanson and Kenmore. Then Swanson goes to W-L and Yorktown. Some kids in Boulevard Manor go from Kenmore to Yorktown currently and I imagine it’s a bit of a culture shock in addition to having their friends mixed up every few years. So yeah, it would suck, but it’s already happening all over the county.

What I am talking about is if now you get a new planning unit with 30 kids (K-5). That unit is zoned to Gunston and Wakefield. In 6th grade, approximating 5 kids would be shunted off to Gunston while everyone else goes to Kenmore and Swanson. Now imagine there are tiny pockets like that at every school - that is a mess that can be avoided. It would be easier on those kids if they chose to realign them to either Kenmore or Swanson. No need for massive community meetings. Those will happen for elementary. After that process, they should do an administrative clean-up of middle school alignment without a big community engagement process.

DP, but huh? How do you have most of an elementary school go to Kenmore and Swanson except for one planning unit that goes to a Gunston when the Jefferson zone completely separates Gunston from Swanson and Kenmore?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe a dumb question but will MS boundaries be revised too? We are in the Ashlawn tail and my older child will be in 6th for 21-22.

They should adjust middle s hook boundaries, but they haven’t committed yet.

They just rezoned middle school for Hamm opening this year. They’ll look at them again in a few years, probably for moves before the 2024-25 school year.

That will result in a MESS if they don’t adjust for 2022. The new boundaries are going to result in small pockets of kids who will go to a different middle school than their peers at their new elementary school. Think how awful it would be for your planning units to get moved to a new ES and then your planning unit is the only one zoned to a different middle school.

Ashlawn currently goes to Swanson and Kenmore. Then Swanson goes to W-L and Yorktown. Some kids in Boulevard Manor go from Kenmore to Yorktown currently and I imagine it’s a bit of a culture shock in addition to having their friends mixed up every few years. So yeah, it would suck, but it’s already happening all over the county.

What I am talking about is if now you get a new planning unit with 30 kids (K-5). That unit is zoned to Gunston and Wakefield. In 6th grade, approximating 5 kids would be shunted off to Gunston while everyone else goes to Kenmore and Swanson. Now imagine there are tiny pockets like that at every school - that is a mess that can be avoided. It would be easier on those kids if they chose to realign them to either Kenmore or Swanson. No need for massive community meetings. Those will happen for elementary. After that process, they should do an administrative clean-up of middle school alignment without a big community engagement process.

DP, but huh? How do you have most of an elementary school go to Kenmore and Swanson except for one planning unit that goes to a Gunston when the Jefferson zone completely separates Gunston from Swanson and Kenmore?

It is an example - pick any school you want that makes sense. Without some middle school adjustments, you will have tiny pockets of kids not going with their friends to middle school. It is an easy fix. Almost every elementary school is aligned to 1-2 middle schools (except I believe Abingdon which goes to 3). APS should keep that alignment and any of the planning units that get moved in to a new elementary should be realigned to the 1-2 feeder middle schools that elementary is aligned to.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe a dumb question but will MS boundaries be revised too? We are in the Ashlawn tail and my older child will be in 6th for 21-22.

They should adjust middle s hook boundaries, but they haven’t committed yet.

They just rezoned middle school for Hamm opening this year. They’ll look at them again in a few years, probably for moves before the 2024-25 school year.

That will result in a MESS if they don’t adjust for 2022. The new boundaries are going to result in small pockets of kids who will go to a different middle school than their peers at their new elementary school. Think how awful it would be for your planning units to get moved to a new ES and then your planning unit is the only one zoned to a different middle school.

Ashlawn currently goes to Swanson and Kenmore. Then Swanson goes to W-L and Yorktown. Some kids in Boulevard Manor go from Kenmore to Yorktown currently and I imagine it’s a bit of a culture shock in addition to having their friends mixed up every few years. So yeah, it would suck, but it’s already happening all over the county.

What I am talking about is if now you get a new planning unit with 30 kids (K-5). That unit is zoned to Gunston and Wakefield. In 6th grade, approximating 5 kids would be shunted off to Gunston while everyone else goes to Kenmore and Swanson. Now imagine there are tiny pockets like that at every school - that is a mess that can be avoided. It would be easier on those kids if they chose to realign them to either Kenmore or Swanson. No need for massive community meetings. Those will happen for elementary. After that process, they should do an administrative clean-up of middle school alignment without a big community engagement process.

DP, but huh? How do you have most of an elementary school go to Kenmore and Swanson except for one planning unit that goes to a Gunston when the Jefferson zone completely separates Gunston from Swanson and Kenmore?

It is an example - pick any school you want that makes sense. Without some middle school adjustments, you will have tiny pockets of kids not going with their friends to middle school. It is an easy fix. Almost every elementary school is aligned to 1-2 middle schools (except I believe Abingdon which goes to 3). APS should keep that alignment and any of the planning units that get moved in to a new elementary should be realigned to the 1-2 feeder middle schools that elementary is aligned to.

They will do this during the boundary process— other than asfs and Abingdon all schools go to only 1 or 2 schools. Asfs was always split between 3 schools until this year where it’s split between 2. They will only move units that don’t mess with alignment.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe a dumb question but will MS boundaries be revised too? We are in the Ashlawn tail and my older child will be in 6th for 21-22.

They should adjust middle s hook boundaries, but they haven’t committed yet.

They just rezoned middle school for Hamm opening this year. They’ll look at them again in a few years, probably for moves before the 2024-25 school year.

That will result in a MESS if they don’t adjust for 2022. The new boundaries are going to result in small pockets of kids who will go to a different middle school than their peers at their new elementary school. Think how awful it would be for your planning units to get moved to a new ES and then your planning unit is the only one zoned to a different middle school.

Ashlawn currently goes to Swanson and Kenmore. Then Swanson goes to W-L and Yorktown. Some kids in Boulevard Manor go from Kenmore to Yorktown currently and I imagine it’s a bit of a culture shock in addition to having their friends mixed up every few years. So yeah, it would suck, but it’s already happening all over the county.

What I am talking about is if now you get a new planning unit with 30 kids (K-5). That unit is zoned to Gunston and Wakefield. In 6th grade, approximating 5 kids would be shunted off to Gunston while everyone else goes to Kenmore and Swanson. Now imagine there are tiny pockets like that at every school - that is a mess that can be avoided. It would be easier on those kids if they chose to realign them to either Kenmore or Swanson. No need for massive community meetings. Those will happen for elementary. After that process, they should do an administrative clean-up of middle school alignment without a big community engagement process.

DP, but huh? How do you have most of an elementary school go to Kenmore and Swanson except for one planning unit that goes to a Gunston when the Jefferson zone completely separates Gunston from Swanson and Kenmore?

It is an example - pick any school you want that makes sense. Without some middle school adjustments, you will have tiny pockets of kids not going with their friends to middle school. It is an easy fix. Almost every elementary school is aligned to 1-2 middle schools (except I believe Abingdon which goes to 3). APS should keep that alignment and any of the planning units that get moved in to a new elementary should be realigned to the 1-2 feeder middle schools that elementary is aligned to.

They will do this during the boundary process— other than asfs and Abingdon all schools go to only 1 or 2 schools. Asfs was always split between 3 schools until this year where it’s split between 2. They will only move units that don’t mess with alignment.

This is not true. They are starting with a clean slate on boundaries. They will not continue to be constrained by current MS alignment. That kind of constrained thinking is what got us to where we are now.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe a dumb question but will MS boundaries be revised too? We are in the Ashlawn tail and my older child will be in 6th for 21-22.

They should adjust middle s hook boundaries, but they haven’t committed yet.

They just rezoned middle school for Hamm opening this year. They’ll look at them again in a few years, probably for moves before the 2024-25 school year.

That will result in a MESS if they don’t adjust for 2022. The new boundaries are going to result in small pockets of kids who will go to a different middle school than their peers at their new elementary school. Think how awful it would be for your planning units to get moved to a new ES and then your planning unit is the only one zoned to a different middle school.

Ashlawn currently goes to Swanson and Kenmore. Then Swanson goes to W-L and Yorktown. Some kids in Boulevard Manor go from Kenmore to Yorktown currently and I imagine it’s a bit of a culture shock in addition to having their friends mixed up every few years. So yeah, it would suck, but it’s already happening all over the county.

What I am talking about is if now you get a new planning unit with 30 kids (K-5). That unit is zoned to Gunston and Wakefield. In 6th grade, approximating 5 kids would be shunted off to Gunston while everyone else goes to Kenmore and Swanson. Now imagine there are tiny pockets like that at every school - that is a mess that can be avoided. It would be easier on those kids if they chose to realign them to either Kenmore or Swanson. No need for massive community meetings. Those will happen for elementary. After that process, they should do an administrative clean-up of middle school alignment without a big community engagement process.

DP, but huh? How do you have most of an elementary school go to Kenmore and Swanson except for one planning unit that goes to a Gunston when the Jefferson zone completely separates Gunston from Swanson and Kenmore?

It is an example - pick any school you want that makes sense. Without some middle school adjustments, you will have tiny pockets of kids not going with their friends to middle school. It is an easy fix. Almost every elementary school is aligned to 1-2 middle schools (except I believe Abingdon which goes to 3). APS should keep that alignment and any of the planning units that get moved in to a new elementary should be realigned to the 1-2 feeder middle schools that elementary is aligned to.

They will do this during the boundary process— other than asfs and Abingdon all schools go to only 1 or 2 schools. Asfs was always split between 3 schools until this year where it’s split between 2. They will only move units that don’t mess with alignment.

This is not true. They are starting with a clean slate on boundaries. They will not continue to be constrained by current MS alignment. That kind of constrained thinking is what got us to where we are now.

When did they say they were removing alignment as one of the six boundary considerations?

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They never removed it. They just don’t prioritize it.

We live in the one planning unit at our elementary school that goes to a different middle school.

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Anonymous wrote:They never removed it. They just don’t prioritize it.

We live in the one planning unit at our elementary school that goes to a different middle school.

Which elementary is that?

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Anonymous wrote:They never removed it. They just don’t prioritize it.

We live in the one planning unit at our elementary school that goes to a different middle school.

Which elementary is that?

Probably Nottingham - planning unit south of Lee highway.

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No sympathy to that Nottingham unit. They could've made the case for going to Williamsburg in the last boundary adjust; they don't want to. They want their kids to go to Swanson. They fight for it. They are Westover people who think that everything should revolve around their children walking to Reed and Swanson. This will be resolved for them when they go to Reed. So stop your crocodile tears.

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Anonymous wrote:No sympathy to that Nottingham unit. They could've made the case for going to Williamsburg in the last boundary adjust; they don't want to. They want their kids to go to Swanson. They fight for it. They are Westover people who think that everything should revolve around their children walking to Reed and Swanson. This will be resolved for them when they go to Reed. So stop your crocodile tears.

They aren't in the Reed walkzone...so they might not end up at Reed.

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APS should stop pandering to whiners. Just make the best decisions for the county. Stop asking for community input.

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Anonymous wrote:No sympathy to that Nottingham unit. They could've made the case for going to Williamsburg in the last boundary adjust; they don't want to. They want their kids to go to Swanson. They fight for it. They are Westover people who think that everything should revolve around their children walking to Reed and Swanson. This will be resolved for them when they go to Reed. So stop your crocodile tears.

They aren't in the Reed walkzone...so they might not end up at Reed.

Then I guess they are REALLY going to regret not moving to Williamsburg in the last go round!

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The Middle School pyramids was something the no moves people put zero thought into and something moving McKinley to Reed helps rather than hurts. This allows aps to need fewer units from schools who larger feed to Williamsburg and help with MS capacity. Let’s say Tuckaohoe looses just 2 planning units or so but keeps those along lee highway and Nottingham looses its single southern PU they could make tuckahoe a Williamsburg only feeding school and take pressure of Swanson ect moving down the county. Who knows how MS adjustments will shake out after ES boundary process but it is crystal clear those ridiculous boundaries from each no move proposal didn’t consider the other implications of their PU assignments.

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Anonymous wrote:No sympathy to that Nottingham unit. They could've made the case for going to Williamsburg in the last boundary adjust; they don't want to. They want their kids to go to Swanson. They fight for it. They are Westover people who think that everything should revolve around their children walking to Reed and Swanson. This will be resolved for them when they go to Reed. So stop your crocodile tears.

They aren't in the Reed walkzone...so they might not end up at Reed.

They are in the second tier of the Reed walk zone, and much of it meets the criteria of the first tier, but it's a long (east/west) PU so it would be far for those on the eastern edge. In any event, it's an easy walk to Swanson as well, so it would be odd to send them to Williamsburg instead of the many closer units.