Boundary Review Meetings

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Is there evidence of the donor connection that can be brought up at the boundary meeting ?

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I doubt the whole Oak Hill would go to KAA. But maybe Emerald Chase goes to South Lakes and the rest of Oak Hill go to KAA.

Remember currently Emerald Chase kids (and Bradley Farm kids south of West Ox) go to Westfield. Moving them to KAA won’t give relief to Chantilly.

I don't take it for granted that Thru and the school board will do what makes sense, but what makes sense is to send Emerald Chase to KAA with the rest of Oak Hill in order to keep pyramids aligned (and, assuming the Franklin Middle School kids get redistricted for Carson, to eliminate a split feeder).

I agree. The school board has an opportunity to build an actual school pyramid with no split feeders with just making a few changes. I hope they don’t find a way to screw that up.

From last night's meeting:

Centerville had three split feeders (Bull Run, Powell ES and Union). They fixes ZERO of these split feeders
Robinson had one split feeder (Oak View). They DID NOT fix this split feeder.

Why are they 'fixing' some split feeders and not others? This was never about fixing split feeders.

Because this map version is highly focused on feedback from the BRAC. The Thru guy at the meeting last night made that very clear. He didn't sound happy about it either.

I could not care less if he wasn't happy. His outfit was the one that came up with ridiculous scenarios that would move kids living next door to Marshall to McLean and next door to Westgate to Franklin Sherman, create a new, lopsided split feeder at Shrevewood, and even now leave Marshall with a ridiculous Westbriar attendance island out near Reston even after many families asked to move to closer Colvin Run. And we're still paying them for this garbage.

If the quality of Thru's earlier work had been better, we wouldn't have what we now have, which are basically a limited number of changes largely intended to allow the School Board to wrap up this turd and move on to the next great thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there evidence of the donor connection that can be brought up at the boundary meeting ?

I am not a fan of that particular school board rep, but that accusation is either an unfounded rumor, or a poorly worded sarcasm attempt that got picked up online and stuck.

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Are we really supposed to believe there’s a $$$ donor to Sandy Anderson living in those townhouses? Come on, they’d have bought a SFH elsewhere in the first place if they had enough money to do that.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there evidence of the donor connection that can be brought up at the boundary meeting ?

I am not a fan of that particular school board rep, but that accusation is either an unfounded rumor, or a poorly worded sarcasm attempt that got picked up online and stuck.

It's public record to look up the owners of the homes that are being rezoned to WHSH from Lewis and see which ones donated to Sandy...

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Anonymous wrote:Reading some of these comments sounds like there are school board members being ‘anonymous’ trying to defend rationale for pushing this redoing of boundaries. Telling WSHS families to ‘just stop’ when the data shows kids moving from Lewis to WSHS when there is an overcrowding issue makes no sense and moving Sangster kids to LB for really no reason.

I bet too that if WSHS parents had a vote they’d rather the kids being moved in scenario 4 than taking in the Lewis kids—prove me wrong.

Not on school board. No one knows how many potential Lewis to WSHS students are in that cluster. It’s all speculation based on nonsense.

Of course no one knows. The point I think some WSHS parents are trying to make on this, however, is that we've seen this play before. It is the same thing that happened with Daventry. The Daventry parents 10 years ago argued that they just would be moving in a handful of kids by moving from Lewis to WSHS. And now there are a LOT of kids coming from that neighborhood. We can't tell you how many because FCPS staff doesn't make that info available.

It can start as 9 kids and end up at 40 or 50 real quickly. Also, the idea that you'd move current WSHS kids out to make room for Lewis kids, when Lewis is already underenrolled just boggles the mind.

Yes, and that's why they should be looking at how many household units they are adding or subtracting. I don't know the numbers, but if there are 100 townhomes in the small area that is moving from Lewis to WS, it doesn't really matter if there are only 10 high school kids there now. There is the potential for there to be 50 or so with that many housing units.

It is the reality that the people who live in those townhomes move when their kids are middle school aged, pupil place to a different school, or go to private. I live in this community - I know. They won't move if they can go to Irving/WS. They are lovely townhomes - large and some with garages.

There are almost 300 Lewis townhomes in that area getting rezoned to WSHS.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, I know they really want to keep the boundary review conversation to one thread, but I sure do wish everyone talking about the Springfield high schools could have their own thread. A lot of passionate conversation to be had there... And I want to hear what other people around the county are thinking about the new scenario!

70% of the posts on rezoning are usually about Langley in some way.

Disagree. Quite a bit of talk about WSHS, Lewis, and LB

You can scroll past the posts about other schools that don't affect you, rather than trying to censor other's discussions.

Efforts to start different threads on boundaries typically get shut down by Jeff. So we could try to split this up into regions but he might not get on board.

Someone should ask in website feedback.

It would probably result in fewer reported posts for him, if there were separate threads for each region at this point.

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I doubt the whole Oak Hill would go to KAA. But maybe Emerald Chase goes to South Lakes and the rest of Oak Hill go to KAA.

Remember currently Emerald Chase kids (and Bradley Farm kids south of West Ox) go to Westfield. Moving them to KAA won’t give relief to Chantilly.

I don't take it for granted that Thru and the school board will do what makes sense, but what makes sense is to send Emerald Chase to KAA with the rest of Oak Hill in order to keep pyramids aligned (and, assuming the Franklin Middle School kids get redistricted for Carson, to eliminate a split feeder).

I agree. The school board has an opportunity to build an actual school pyramid with no split feeders with just making a few changes. I hope they don’t find a way to screw that up.

From last night's meeting:

Centerville had three split feeders (Bull Run, Powell ES and Union). They fixes ZERO of these split feeders
Robinson had one split feeder (Oak View). They DID NOT fix this split feeder.

Why are they 'fixing' some split feeders and not others? This was never about fixing split feeders.

Because this map version is highly focused on feedback from the BRAC. The Thru guy at the meeting last night made that very clear. He didn't sound happy about it either.

I could not care less if he wasn't happy. His outfit was the one that came up with ridiculous scenarios that would move kids living next door to Marshall to McLean and next door to Westgate to Franklin Sherman, create a new, lopsided split feeder at Shrevewood, and even now leave Marshall with a ridiculous Westbriar attendance island out near Reston even after many families asked to move to closer Colvin Run. And we're still paying them for this garbage.

If the quality of Thru's earlier work had been better, we wouldn't have what we now have, which are basically a limited number of changes largely intended to allow the School Board to wrap up this turd and move on to the next great thing.

What’s the point of implementing any of it? Just look at Marshall. Shrevewood still becomes a split feeder under scenario 4. The Westbriar attendance island is even more isolated. And Thoreau is still a three way feeder.

Marshall could just as easily be fixed by adding the 200 seats back to Kilmer that mysteriously disappeared after the 2023-24 school year.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading some of these comments sounds like there are school board members being ‘anonymous’ trying to defend rationale for pushing this redoing of boundaries. Telling WSHS families to ‘just stop’ when the data shows kids moving from Lewis to WSHS when there is an overcrowding issue makes no sense and moving Sangster kids to LB for really no reason.

I bet too that if WSHS parents had a vote they’d rather the kids being moved in scenario 4 than taking in the Lewis kids—prove me wrong.

Not on school board. No one knows how many potential Lewis to WSHS students are in that cluster. It’s all speculation based on nonsense.

Of course no one knows. The point I think some WSHS parents are trying to make on this, however, is that we've seen this play before. It is the same thing that happened with Daventry. The Daventry parents 10 years ago argued that they just would be moving in a handful of kids by moving from Lewis to WSHS. And now there are a LOT of kids coming from that neighborhood. We can't tell you how many because FCPS staff doesn't make that info available.

It can start as 9 kids and end up at 40 or 50 real quickly. Also, the idea that you'd move current WSHS kids out to make room for Lewis kids, when Lewis is already underenrolled just boggles the mind.

Yes, and that's why they should be looking at how many household units they are adding or subtracting. I don't know the numbers, but if there are 100 townhomes in the small area that is moving from Lewis to WS, it doesn't really matter if there are only 10 high school kids there now. There is the potential for there to be 50 or so with that many housing units.

It is the reality that the people who live in those townhomes move when their kids are middle school aged, pupil place to a different school, or go to private. I live in this community - I know. They won't move if they can go to Irving/WS. They are lovely townhomes - large and some with garages.

Adding 100 and losing 400+ townhomes.

Adding almost 300 townhomes.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there evidence of the donor connection that can be brought up at the boundary meeting ?

I am not a fan of that particular school board rep, but that accusation is either an unfounded rumor, or a poorly worded sarcasm attempt that got picked up online and stuck.

I don't want to add fuel to the fire on this one, but I actually heard the 'donor' is a wealthy attorney in Sandy's neighborhood who pushed FCPS to have every single holiday off.

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I doubt the whole Oak Hill would go to KAA. But maybe Emerald Chase goes to South Lakes and the rest of Oak Hill go to KAA.

Remember currently Emerald Chase kids (and Bradley Farm kids south of West Ox) go to Westfield. Moving them to KAA won’t give relief to Chantilly.

I don't take it for granted that Thru and the school board will do what makes sense, but what makes sense is to send Emerald Chase to KAA with the rest of Oak Hill in order to keep pyramids aligned (and, assuming the Franklin Middle School kids get redistricted for Carson, to eliminate a split feeder).

I agree. The school board has an opportunity to build an actual school pyramid with no split feeders with just making a few changes. I hope they don’t find a way to screw that up.

From last night's meeting:

Centerville had three split feeders (Bull Run, Powell ES and Union). They fixes ZERO of these split feeders
Robinson had one split feeder (Oak View). They DID NOT fix this split feeder.

Why are they 'fixing' some split feeders and not others? This was never about fixing split feeders.

Because this map version is highly focused on feedback from the BRAC. The Thru guy at the meeting last night made that very clear. He didn't sound happy about it either.

I can see why- it seems like THRU was a massive waste of time and money. Most of their suggestions were reversed and now we're going with a low fewer minor changes made by someone else (BRAC).

Changes based on a ragtag group of volunteers are not what the comprehensive boundary review was supposed to result in. What a waste of consultant money and a whole bunch of time and angst. The policy goals are not advanced in scenario 4. It’s just a wishlist of vocal residents - just like other boundary changes. This was supposed to fix the mess caused by one offs and personal interest. And now our system which always cries poverty spent a huge amount of money on this nonsense. Scenario 4 should be dropped in favor of the expert created ones.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there evidence of the donor connection that can be brought up at the boundary meeting ?

I am not a fan of that particular school board rep, but that accusation is either an unfounded rumor, or a poorly worded sarcasm attempt that got picked up online and stuck.

It's public record to look up the owners of the homes that are being rezoned to WHSH from Lewis and see which ones donated to Sandy...

👀 thanks will check this out now

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I doubt the whole Oak Hill would go to KAA. But maybe Emerald Chase goes to South Lakes and the rest of Oak Hill go to KAA.

Remember currently Emerald Chase kids (and Bradley Farm kids south of West Ox) go to Westfield. Moving them to KAA won’t give relief to Chantilly.

I don't take it for granted that Thru and the school board will do what makes sense, but what makes sense is to send Emerald Chase to KAA with the rest of Oak Hill in order to keep pyramids aligned (and, assuming the Franklin Middle School kids get redistricted for Carson, to eliminate a split feeder).

I agree. The school board has an opportunity to build an actual school pyramid with no split feeders with just making a few changes. I hope they don’t find a way to screw that up.

From last night's meeting:

Centerville had three split feeders (Bull Run, Powell ES and Union). They fixes ZERO of these split feeders
Robinson had one split feeder (Oak View). They DID NOT fix this split feeder.

Why are they 'fixing' some split feeders and not others? This was never about fixing split feeders.

Because this map version is highly focused on feedback from the BRAC. The Thru guy at the meeting last night made that very clear. He didn't sound happy about it either.

I can see why- it seems like THRU was a massive waste of time and money. Most of their suggestions were reversed and now we're going with a low fewer minor changes made by someone else (BRAC).

Changes based on a ragtag group of volunteers are not what the comprehensive boundary review was supposed to result in. What a waste of consultant money and a whole bunch of time and angst. The policy goals are not advanced in scenario 4. It’s just a wishlist of vocal residents - just like other boundary changes. This was supposed to fix the mess caused by one offs and personal interest. And now our system which always cries poverty spent a huge amount of money on this nonsense. Scenario 4 should be dropped in favor of the expert created ones.

And even worse, they got to 'pick and choose' what voices to actually hear and prioritize. Some neighborhood who advocated for themselves won. some lost. This was never a fair and impartial process. I'm lost any once of trust I had left in FCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:KAA is 2 miles to Emerald chase and South lakes is 6 miles!! Go figure!!

LOL at Emerald Chase parents. Their kids currently go to Westfield, which is more than 7 miles from Emerald Chase.

KAA can take only 2000 kids, and not everyone will make it.

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I doubt the whole Oak Hill would go to KAA. But maybe Emerald Chase goes to South Lakes and the rest of Oak Hill go to KAA.

Remember currently Emerald Chase kids (and Bradley Farm kids south of West Ox) go to Westfield. Moving them to KAA won’t give relief to Chantilly.

I don't take it for granted that Thru and the school board will do what makes sense, but what makes sense is to send Emerald Chase to KAA with the rest of Oak Hill in order to keep pyramids aligned (and, assuming the Franklin Middle School kids get redistricted for Carson, to eliminate a split feeder).

I agree. The school board has an opportunity to build an actual school pyramid with no split feeders with just making a few changes. I hope they don’t find a way to screw that up.

Thru basically gave Emerald Chase two choices: merge with Fox Mill and go to SLHS with other Fox Mill kids (no split feeder scenario 3) or stay with Oak Hill and split at MS/HS level (scenario 4).

I get that Emerald Chase parents may want to avoid SLHS but KAA can take only 2000 kids and Chantilly needs relief.

Emerald Chase parents have been very vocal about what they want. But it’s not like the school board and Thru ignored their original complaints.

I don't live in Emerald Chase, but nearby. I think they sincerely hate the split feeder thing. It seems that any time people object to going to a different school that people assume it is because it is a less desirable school.

I will remind you that during the South Lakes boundary study that Chantilly neighborhoods fought against one another to stay at Chantilly over Oakton--which, at the time, was considered a much more "desirable" school.

Then they can go with Scenario 3. No split feeding under Scenario 3.

But they lobbied hard against Scenario 3 to stay with Oak Hill. Now their wish is granted under Scenario 4. Are they going to complain about split feeding this time?

To be clear FCPS is not creating a new split feeding pattern here. Emerald Chase kids are currenlty going to Westfield, while the most Oak Hill kids are going to Chantilly.

Doubt those Oak Hill kids stay at Chantilly with the opening of KAA. Will be interesting to see what happens with those maps, as Dr. Reid indicated last night there will be changes at the MS and HS level which will be "feathered" into the Scenario 4 map. So basically buckle in.

Non Emerald Chase Oak Hill kids will likely get moved from Chantilly as Chantilly needs some relief.