Roe v Wade struck down

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I like the Canada solution. Get the government out of this entirely. It's a medical decision between a woman and her doctor. Personal decision about a person's own body. You take care of your body and I'll take care of mine.

+1. Think of the time, energy and money that has to be spent on this issue now in the US, which could have been used for other actual problems.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep reading about how abortion is central to Judaism. It’s clear to me that the founders always believed in a clear separation between synagogue and state.

I’m not sure why Jews think that exposing abortion as a Jewish thing is a good idea, but clearly Jewish religious dogma has no place in our laws or government.

Your reading comprehension is poor.

Abortion isn't "central" to Judaism nor a "Jewish thing" - what is however a long-held, strongly held Jewish belief is that life begins at birth, not at conception. It is wrong, un-Constitutional and un-American that one religious doctrine should be allowed to trample another.

Jews can’t force their religious beliefs on the rest of the country via the courts. Let the people vote on it.

Very ironic statement considering roe was just overturned by the christian justices.

Those Justices did not ban abortion - they simply left it to the democratic process. The many sources I’ve cited illustrate Jews explaining how abortion is important to Judaism and bemoaning the fact that the Court is no longer forcing this Jewish religious view on the rest of the country.

Nobody FORCED anyone to have an abortion. A Christian could live a happy Christian life and choose to never have an abortion. Christians right now are FORCING everyone else in society to not be able to have an abortion for no other reason than the fact that Christians don’t like it. If you can’t see the clear injustice of this then you have been brainwashed by religion.

Not at all. Just as with most things in life, people must decide on the law through their elected representatives. We must decide what is lawful and what is not—from what constitutes murder to the appropriate age to consider sex statutory child rape etc.

Overturning Roe gives the decision about abortion back to the democratic process. The articles I’m citing (including NPR) show Jews wanting to force a fundamental Jewish religious dogma on the rest of the country—that abortion must be available and legal regardless of the democratic will of the People.

We need separation of synagogue and state.

You are being a bigot and you know it. I know you think you’re being clever, but you’re not.

When you are losing the argument, just accuse the other side of being a bigot. Typical leftist tactic.

Just because you don’t like holding Jews to the same standards and putting Jews under the same microscope that’s always applied to Christians doesn’t make me a bigot. It’s Jews that are out there suddenly claiming that abortion access is fundamental to Judaism.

The Dobbs decision overturning Roe did NOT make abortion illegal or “force” a Christian dogma on anyone. It simply returned the issue to the people—all people regardless of religion—to decide.

I know you all think you’re being clever by claiming that Dobbs forced a Christian dogma on everyone; but you’re not.

tell me you're ok with enslaving women and killing them (ectopic pregnancy and otherwise) without telling me.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep reading about how abortion is central to Judaism. It’s clear to me that the founders always believed in a clear separation between synagogue and state.

I’m not sure why Jews think that exposing abortion as a Jewish thing is a good idea, but clearly Jewish religious dogma has no place in our laws or government.

Your reading comprehension is poor.

Abortion isn't "central" to Judaism nor a "Jewish thing" - what is however a long-held, strongly held Jewish belief is that life begins at birth, not at conception. It is wrong, un-Constitutional and un-American that one religious doctrine should be allowed to trample another.

Jews can’t force their religious beliefs on the rest of the country via the courts. Let the people vote on it.

Very ironic statement considering roe was just overturned by the christian justices.

Those Justices did not ban abortion - they simply left it to the democratic process. The many sources I’ve cited illustrate Jews explaining how abortion is important to Judaism and bemoaning the fact that the Court is no longer forcing this Jewish religious view on the rest of the country.

Nobody FORCED anyone to have an abortion. A Christian could live a happy Christian life and choose to never have an abortion. Christians right now are FORCING everyone else in society to not be able to have an abortion for no other reason than the fact that Christians don’t like it. If you can’t see the clear injustice of this then you have been brainwashed by religion.

Not at all. Just as with most things in life, people must decide on the law through their elected representatives. We must decide what is lawful and what is not—from what constitutes murder to the appropriate age to consider sex statutory child rape etc.

Overturning Roe gives the decision about abortion back to the democratic process. The articles I’m citing (including NPR) show Jews wanting to force a fundamental Jewish religious dogma on the rest of the country—that abortion must be available and legal regardless of the democratic will of the People.

We need separation of synagogue and state.

You are being a bigot and you know it. I know you think you’re being clever, but you’re not.

When you are losing the argument, just accuse the other side of being a bigot. Typical leftist tactic.

Just because you don’t like holding Jews to the same standards and putting Jews under the same microscope that’s always applied to Christians doesn’t make me a bigot. It’s Jews that are out there suddenly claiming that abortion access is fundamental to Judaism.

The Dobbs decision overturning Roe did NOT make abortion illegal or “force” a Christian dogma on anyone. It simply returned the issue to the people—all people regardless of religion—to decide.

I know you all think you’re being clever by claiming that Dobbs forced a Christian dogma on everyone; but you’re not.

People that are of the minority opinion in certain states do NOT get to decide on this issue of their own human rights. No matter how many of them vote, they won't be able to change the majority, especially because of how districts are gerrymandered. How can you not understand that?

[Anonymous]

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I like the Canada solution. Get the government out of this entirely. It's a medical decision between a woman and her doctor. Personal decision about a person's own body. You take care of your body and I'll take care of mine.

+1. Think of the time, energy and money that has to be spent on this issue now in the US, which could have been used for other actual problems.

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But for forced birthers the problem is that women are getting entirely too uppity. Jobs outside the home, they don’t have to stay married to feed themselves and their families, women keeping their names… for them, feminism is the insurrection that must be put down.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep reading about how abortion is central to Judaism. It’s clear to me that the founders always believed in a clear separation between synagogue and state.

I’m not sure why Jews think that exposing abortion as a Jewish thing is a good idea, but clearly Jewish religious dogma has no place in our laws or government.

Your reading comprehension is poor.

Abortion isn't "central" to Judaism nor a "Jewish thing" - what is however a long-held, strongly held Jewish belief is that life begins at birth, not at conception. It is wrong, un-Constitutional and un-American that one religious doctrine should be allowed to trample another.

Jews can’t force their religious beliefs on the rest of the country via the courts. Let the people vote on it.

Very ironic statement considering roe was just overturned by the christian justices.

Those Justices did not ban abortion - they simply left it to the democratic process. The many sources I’ve cited illustrate Jews explaining how abortion is important to Judaism and bemoaning the fact that the Court is no longer forcing this Jewish religious view on the rest of the country.

Nobody FORCED anyone to have an abortion. A Christian could live a happy Christian life and choose to never have an abortion. Christians right now are FORCING everyone else in society to not be able to have an abortion for no other reason than the fact that Christians don’t like it. If you can’t see the clear injustice of this then you have been brainwashed by religion.

So pro-choice just means that the decision rests with the woman and now you’re taking that decision away from her and putting it in the hands of government and other people. How does this make sense in a beacon if democracy and individual freedom? Very anti-American! This is socialism: few deciding what’s good for the rest of us.

I trust my own judgment and my decisions. I’m not a child. I work, pay taxes, contribute to my community and so why do you think you know better than me what’s good for me? You make your choices and I’ll make my own. I’m not condemning your choices so what’s your problem in allowing people to own their own choices?

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I like the Canada solution. Get the government out of this entirely. It's a medical decision between a woman and her doctor. Personal decision about a person's own body. You take care of your body and I'll take care of mine.

+1. Think of the time, energy and money that has to be spent on this issue now in the US, which could have been used for other actual problems.

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But for forced birthers the problem is that women are getting entirely too uppity. Jobs outside the home, they don’t have to stay married to feed themselves and their families, women keeping their names… for them, feminism is the insurrection that must be put down.

And I think that is the point. Keep everyone amped up and meanwhile the Republican Party is getting rich somehow while we’re all distracted and fighting to have basic human rights restored.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep reading about how abortion is central to Judaism. It’s clear to me that the founders always believed in a clear separation between synagogue and state.

I’m not sure why Jews think that exposing abortion as a Jewish thing is a good idea, but clearly Jewish religious dogma has no place in our laws or government.

Your reading comprehension is poor.

Abortion isn't "central" to Judaism nor a "Jewish thing" - what is however a long-held, strongly held Jewish belief is that life begins at birth, not at conception. It is wrong, un-Constitutional and un-American that one religious doctrine should be allowed to trample another.

Jews can’t force their religious beliefs on the rest of the country via the courts. Let the people vote on it.

Very ironic statement considering roe was just overturned by the christian justices.

Those Justices did not ban abortion - they simply left it to the democratic process. The many sources I’ve cited illustrate Jews explaining how abortion is important to Judaism and bemoaning the fact that the Court is no longer forcing this Jewish religious view on the rest of the country.

Nobody FORCED anyone to have an abortion. A Christian could live a happy Christian life and choose to never have an abortion. Christians right now are FORCING everyone else in society to not be able to have an abortion for no other reason than the fact that Christians don’t like it. If you can’t see the clear injustice of this then you have been brainwashed by religion.

Not at all. Just as with most things in life, people must decide on the law through their elected representatives. We must decide what is lawful and what is not—from what constitutes murder to the appropriate age to consider sex statutory child rape etc.

Overturning Roe gives the decision about abortion back to the democratic process. The articles I’m citing (including NPR) show Jews wanting to force a fundamental Jewish religious dogma on the rest of the country—that abortion must be available and legal regardless of the democratic will of the People.

We need separation of synagogue and state.

You are being a bigot and you know it. I know you think you’re being clever, but you’re not.

When you are losing the argument, just accuse the other side of being a bigot. Typical leftist tactic.

Just because you don’t like holding Jews to the same standards and putting Jews under the same microscope that’s always applied to Christians doesn’t make me a bigot. It’s Jews that are out there suddenly claiming that abortion access is fundamental to Judaism.

The Dobbs decision overturning Roe did NOT make abortion illegal or “force” a Christian dogma on anyone. It simply returned the issue to the people—all people regardless of religion—to decide.

I know you all think you’re being clever by claiming that Dobbs forced a Christian dogma on everyone; but you’re not.

DP. You don’t seem to understand Dobbs, or the issue more broadly. What Dobbs did was make it constitutionally permissible for a state to ban abortion based on Christian-based religious beliefs, regardless of whether all the people in that state subscribe to that variety of Christianity (or any variety at all). Women will be forced to carry pregnancies against their will based on someone else’s religious beliefs. The argument by Jewish groups is essentially that abortion should remain legal so each individual can exercise their religious freedom as they see fit, whether that means having an abortion based on their particular circumstances or not having an abortion because it would conflict with their personal religious beliefs. Absolutely not where does the argument result in someone being forced to have an abortion against their own religious beliefs.

[Anonymous]

If state legislature decides, what’s to stop them from laws that force abortion? Someone could say, 2 kids per woman, all other pregnancies get terminated.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep reading about how abortion is central to Judaism. It’s clear to me that the founders always believed in a clear separation between synagogue and state.

I’m not sure why Jews think that exposing abortion as a Jewish thing is a good idea, but clearly Jewish religious dogma has no place in our laws or government.

Your reading comprehension is poor.

Abortion isn't "central" to Judaism nor a "Jewish thing" - what is however a long-held, strongly held Jewish belief is that life begins at birth, not at conception. It is wrong, un-Constitutional and un-American that one religious doctrine should be allowed to trample another.

Jews can’t force their religious beliefs on the rest of the country via the courts. Let the people vote on it.

Very ironic statement considering roe was just overturned by the christian justices.

Those Justices did not ban abortion - they simply left it to the democratic process. The many sources I’ve cited illustrate Jews explaining how abortion is important to Judaism and bemoaning the fact that the Court is no longer forcing this Jewish religious view on the rest of the country.

Nobody FORCED anyone to have an abortion. A Christian could live a happy Christian life and choose to never have an abortion. Christians right now are FORCING everyone else in society to not be able to have an abortion for no other reason than the fact that Christians don’t like it. If you can’t see the clear injustice of this then you have been brainwashed by religion.

So pro-choice just means that the decision rests with the woman and now you’re taking that decision away from her and putting it in the hands of government and other people. How does this make sense in a beacon if democracy and individual freedom? Very anti-American! This is socialism: few deciding what’s good for the rest of us.

I trust my own judgment and my decisions. I’m not a child. I work, pay taxes, contribute to my community and so why do you think you know better than me what’s good for me? You make your choices and I’ll make my own. I’m not condemning your choices so what’s your problem in allowing people to own their own choices?

+1.

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The PP above wants to live in a theocracy—one where the state denies people the liberty to follow religious doctrine or not. Don’t give them any more of your time.

[Anonymous]

Will Dobbs have any impact on people committing violence against pregnant women?
In the thread re: "Pregnant black woman, 26, is shot FIVE TIMES by Kansas City police", couldn't the police be charged with Attempted Murder of the innocent fetus, even if the woman did not miscarry? If she were just 6 weeks pregnant?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will Dobbs have any impact on people committing violence against pregnant women?
In the thread re: "Pregnant black woman, 26, is shot FIVE TIMES by Kansas City police", couldn't the police be charged with Attempted Murder of the innocent fetus, even if the woman did not miscarry? If she were just 6 weeks pregnant?

Seems like they should be. Regardless of what the pregnant woman may have done, the fetus did absolutely nothing wrong. Police are not allowed to deliberately shoot innocent bystanders to help them apprehend a suspect or because they think it will somehow protect them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If state legislature decides, what’s to stop them from laws that force abortion? Someone could say, 2 kids per woman, all other pregnancies get terminated.

This is yet another fact that forced birthers haven’t bothered to think through. If the state controls your body, the state controls your body. Maybe forced birthers will make c-sections illegal. Maybe they’ll make epidurals illegal - gotta make them wimmin really feel eve’s curse.

Or maybe one of the right wing elite who is not a religious whackjob will have had enough of religious loonies in the GOP’s New World Order and will decide to sterilize a portion of them. It’s not like Republicans really believe in right and wrong anymore, they just do what they want to do.

[Anonymous]

Is religion the only reason why we have collectively decided to enact laws against murder? Is religion the only reason why we have criminal laws against involuntary manslaughter? Against drunk driving? Against fentanyl possession and use and sale? Against sex with someone below the age of consent (and settings that age at X instead of Y)?

Just because the issue of whether abortion should be lawful, and if so under what circumstances, has been returned to the people to decide does not make it per se a “religious” or “Christian” issue.

It’s quite possible that there are many non-Christians, maybe even atheists and agnostics, who also don’t think abortion should be lawful in certain circumstances.

Just because Christians, or at least Catholics, have religious views about the morality of abortion does not make all opposition to it a “Christian” thing.

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Huh?