Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like Alexandria joined CCL also

http://www.clubchampionsleague.com/2018/03/21/2018-alexandria-soccer-association-to-join-ccl/

It's all very frustrating to watch for soccer. If the teams are ranked, I really don't see why there is such a need for all of these separate leagues around the DMV. Are they trying to weed out smaller clubs? That's what it seems like.

NCSL is becoming basically Latino clubs, small clubs, and lower teams of big clubs. In the case of the Latino clubs, I think it is something that really should be a concern to US Soccer. This structure is basically locking the Latino clubs out from even playing the top suburban clubs outside of expensive tournaments. There are some kids on these teams that are better than some big club A team players, better than some DA players.

This whole structure penalizes affordable soccer. If you are not willing to pay the big fees, 3 spiffy uniform kits, hotels & travel for away tournaments etc then you are not going to be allowed to play with the big boys.

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like Alexandria joined CCL also

http://www.clubchampionsleague.com/2018/03/21/2018-alexandria-soccer-association-to-join-ccl/

It's all very frustrating to watch for soccer. If the teams are ranked, I really don't see why there is such a need for all of these separate leagues around the DMV. Are they trying to weed out smaller clubs? That's what it seems like.

NCSL is becoming basically Latino clubs, small clubs, and lower teams of big clubs. In the case of the Latino clubs, I think it is something that really should be a concern to US Soccer. This structure is basically locking the Latino clubs out from even playing the top suburban clubs outside of expensive tournaments. There are some kids on these teams that are better than some big club A team players, better than some DA players.

This whole structure penalizes affordable soccer. If you are not willing to pay the big fees, 3 spiffy uniform kits, hotels & travel for away tournaments etc then you are not going to be allowed to play with the big boys.

This.

Yes and No. Yes that it is leaving small clubs and latino clubs out but the administrative advantages to bigger clubs is great which makes the management of their activities much more efficient. Many of those large clubs provide extensive scholarships to help their communities or those that can't afford it. If those latino clubs are able to organize themselves where structurally the meet all of the requirements, they can apply and compete in that league.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ECNL is dividing up conferences the same way for girls and boys. The girls already drive to NC and don't play MD teams. Annoying.

I don’t understand, why are teams then not going to EDP? Aren’t EDP and ECNL similarly competitive? If local teams would just choose one, couldn’t they all play close and be competitive?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like Alexandria joined CCL also

http://www.clubchampionsleague.com/2018/03/21/2018-alexandria-soccer-association-to-join-ccl/

It's all very frustrating to watch for soccer. If the teams are ranked, I really don't see why there is such a need for all of these separate leagues around the DMV. Are they trying to weed out smaller clubs? That's what it seems like.

NCSL is becoming basically Latino clubs, small clubs, and lower teams of big clubs. In the case of the Latino clubs, I think it is something that really should be a concern to US Soccer. This structure is basically locking the Latino clubs out from even playing the top suburban clubs outside of expensive tournaments. There are some kids on these teams that are better than some big club A team players, better than some DA players.

This whole structure penalizes affordable soccer. If you are not willing to pay the big fees, 3 spiffy uniform kits, hotels & travel for away tournaments etc then you are not going to be allowed to play with the big boys.

This. ^^^

[Anonymous]

TBH, DC United seems to be pretty reasonable in its fee structure if the players really want high level competition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL is dividing up conferences the same way for girls and boys. The girls already drive to NC and don't play MD teams. Annoying.

I don’t understand, why are teams then not going to EDP? Aren’t EDP and ECNL similarly competitive? If local teams would just choose one, couldn’t they all play close and be competitive?

Yes and the same goes for CCL and NCSL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like Alexandria joined CCL also

http://www.clubchampionsleague.com/2018/03/21/2018-alexandria-soccer-association-to-join-ccl/

So does this mean there will be 20 CCL teams next soccer year? I think they are maxed out now. If they add anymore, they would probably have to set up divisions (more than just CCL and CCL2).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL is dividing up conferences the same way for girls and boys. The girls already drive to NC and don't play MD teams. Annoying.

I don’t understand, why are teams then not going to EDP? Aren’t EDP and ECNL similarly competitive? If local teams would just choose one, couldn’t they all play close and be competitive?

Yes and the same goes for CCL and NCSL

The only reason for all these leagues to exist is for the clubs/coaches to be able to tell the parents that their kids play in the best league (as demonstrated by the insane amount of travel they have to do to find worthy competition .
In a competitive promotion/relegation system, only a few coaches would do able to do so.
It should not come as a surprise as the whole American team sport system (no promotion/relegation system, no remuneration of NCAA players, salary caps) is biased toward the interest of the owners/players, not those of the players...

[Anonymous]

I meant the interest of owners/coaches...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like Alexandria joined CCL also

http://www.clubchampionsleague.com/2018/03/21/2018-alexandria-soccer-association-to-join-ccl/

So does this mean there will be 20 CCL teams next soccer year? I think they are maxed out now. If they add anymore, they would probably have to set up divisions (more than just CCL and CCL2).

That would be a good thing IMO. Multiple local levels with pro/rel. Wait thats what NCSL is already. Why do we need CCL? Are we going in circles?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it is a good team that’s likely not going to happen. “Everyone” is not already checked out.

But that is the issue isn't it? People "check out" when the team doesn't do well.
Whatever happened to working harder and resolving the issues? Not anymore I guess? Take the easy way out, quit and move on.
There are some circumstances where I guess it makes sense.

And again, the talk is about the team. It-is-a-bout-player-development if you're talking about anything to do with an elite level of play. Good players will be scouted. Don't buy the hype that they have to be in the right bracket at the right showcase. That's like going to the casino, yes you might get seen by a coach or scout you didn't think of. But 99% of all opportunities to play in college come when the player notifies the coach they're interested, and continues to pursue the coach to prove it. That coach will watch. They HATE recruiting and guessing how good a 16 year old player will be when they're 19. The kid can guest play for a team at a showcase if their team isn't there, but their college of choice is.

It's all about the player. Technically skilled, tactically smart, physically strong and fast enough, and mentally driven with grit to pursue what they want and make their case to the coach. It is so GD lazy to spend all this time trying to position your DD or DS in the shop windows with just the right team at just the right time hoping someone picks them with a golden ticket. It simply doesn't work that way. Half the kids on the "best" teams either never play college soccer at all, or they crash out as freshmen because it was their parents dream and effort, not their own grit that put them there. Some club college teams are very good and a great experience without having to alter life plans and fortunes.

Put DD or DS with the best coach THEY choose. And they can't choose unless they get experience with a lot of different ones. Get a different coach every 2 years at least, and on teams with assistants that can teach and a club that rotates guest coaches in either form other team or the outside. If the club doesn't swap out coaches every 2 years, get a different club or convince them to change the policy. Play winter indoor with a different group. Pay up or guest play when you can. Consider a super y or other option in the summer that has team training under a different coach. Residential camps that aren't all with the same club team. All the above. Do it all before they're 15.

Coaches who stick with the same team for more than 2 years as it moves up ages are not in it for your DD/DS player development, they're it for their career trying to build a super team that wins something. Run away. There's a better coach at a better club closer to home 99% of the time in the DMV at least.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it is a good team that’s likely not going to happen. “Everyone” is not already checked out.

But that is the issue isn't it? People "check out" when the team doesn't do well.
Whatever happened to working harder and resolving the issues? Not anymore I guess? Take the easy way out, quit and move on.
There are some circumstances where I guess it makes sense.

And again, the talk is about the team. It-is-a-bout-player-development if you're talking about anything to do with an elite level of play. Good players will be scouted. Don't buy the hype that they have to be in the right bracket at the right showcase. That's like going to the casino, yes you might get seen by a coach or scout you didn't think of. But 99% of all opportunities to play in college come when the player notifies the coach they're interested, and continues to pursue the coach to prove it. That coach will watch. They HATE recruiting and guessing how good a 16 year old player will be when they're 19. The kid can guest play for a team at a showcase if their team isn't there, but their college of choice is.

It's all about the player. Technically skilled, tactically smart, physically strong and fast enough, and mentally driven with grit to pursue what they want and make their case to the coach. It is so GD lazy to spend all this time trying to position your DD or DS in the shop windows with just the right team at just the right time hoping someone picks them with a golden ticket. It simply doesn't work that way. Half the kids on the "best" teams either never play college soccer at all, or they crash out as freshmen because it was their parents dream and effort, not their own grit that put them there. Some club college teams are very good and a great experience without having to alter life plans and fortunes.

Put DD or DS with the best coach THEY choose. And they can't choose unless they get experience with a lot of different ones. Get a different coach every 2 years at least, and on teams with assistants that can teach and a club that rotates guest coaches in either form other team or the outside. If the club doesn't swap out coaches every 2 years, get a different club or convince them to change the policy. Play winter indoor with a different group. Pay up or guest play when you can. Consider a super y or other option in the summer that has team training under a different coach. Residential camps that aren't all with the same club team. All the above. Do it all before they're 15.

Coaches who stick with the same team for more than 2 years as it moves up ages are not in it for your DD/DS player development, they're it for their career trying to build a super team that wins something. Run away. There's a better coach at a better club closer to home 99% of the time in the DMV at least.

This person is clueless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it is a good team that’s likely not going to happen. “Everyone” is not already checked out.

But that is the issue isn't it? People "check out" when the team doesn't do well.
Whatever happened to working harder and resolving the issues? Not anymore I guess? Take the easy way out, quit and move on.
There are some circumstances where I guess it makes sense.

And again, the talk is about the team. It-is-a-bout-player-development if you're talking about anything to do with an elite level of play. Good players will be scouted. Don't buy the hype that they have to be in the right bracket at the right showcase. That's like going to the casino, yes you might get seen by a coach or scout you didn't think of. But 99% of all opportunities to play in college come when the player notifies the coach they're interested, and continues to pursue the coach to prove it. That coach will watch. They HATE recruiting and guessing how good a 16 year old player will be when they're 19. The kid can guest play for a team at a showcase if their team isn't there, but their college of choice is.

It's all about the player. Technically skilled, tactically smart, physically strong and fast enough, and mentally driven with grit to pursue what they want and make their case to the coach. It is so GD lazy to spend all this time trying to position your DD or DS in the shop windows with just the right team at just the right time hoping someone picks them with a golden ticket. It simply doesn't work that way. Half the kids on the "best" teams either never play college soccer at all, or they crash out as freshmen because it was their parents dream and effort, not their own grit that put them there. Some club college teams are very good and a great experience without having to alter life plans and fortunes.

Put DD or DS with the best coach THEY choose. And they can't choose unless they get experience with a lot of different ones. Get a different coach every 2 years at least, and on teams with assistants that can teach and a club that rotates guest coaches in either form other team or the outside. If the club doesn't swap out coaches every 2 years, get a different club or convince them to change the policy. Play winter indoor with a different group. Pay up or guest play when you can. Consider a super y or other option in the summer that has team training under a different coach. Residential camps that aren't all with the same club team. All the above. Do it all before they're 15.

Coaches who stick with the same team for more than 2 years as it moves up ages are not in it for your DD/DS player development, they're it for their career trying to build a super team that wins something. Run away. There's a better coach at a better club closer to home 99% of the time in the DMV at least.

This person is clueless.

Ok super dad who's never played or coached or talked to more than 2 college scouts. You keep guiding your DD/DS and see how that works out.

To summarize, none of this matters if the player isn't driving the bus. If they're not, they're not going to make it outside of your shadow when you're finally forced to set them free. There is no one path, other than the path that forged by the player's own passion and grit. Nothing wrong with being on a strong team at 15+ to get the most options for recruiting, but that will happen naturally if the ability is there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it is a good team that’s likely not going to happen. “Everyone” is not already checked out.

But that is the issue isn't it? People "check out" when the team doesn't do well.
Whatever happened to working harder and resolving the issues? Not anymore I guess? Take the easy way out, quit and move on.
There are some circumstances where I guess it makes sense.

And again, the talk is about the team. It-is-a-bout-player-development if you're talking about anything to do with an elite level of play. Good players will be scouted. Don't buy the hype that they have to be in the right bracket at the right showcase. That's like going to the casino, yes you might get seen by a coach or scout you didn't think of. But 99% of all opportunities to play in college come when the player notifies the coach they're interested, and continues to pursue the coach to prove it. That coach will watch. They HATE recruiting and guessing how good a 16 year old player will be when they're 19. The kid can guest play for a team at a showcase if their team isn't there, but their college of choice is.

It's all about the player. Technically skilled, tactically smart, physically strong and fast enough, and mentally driven with grit to pursue what they want and make their case to the coach. It is so GD lazy to spend all this time trying to position your DD or DS in the shop windows with just the right team at just the right time hoping someone picks them with a golden ticket. It simply doesn't work that way. Half the kids on the "best" teams either never play college soccer at all, or they crash out as freshmen because it was their parents dream and effort, not their own grit that put them there. Some club college teams are very good and a great experience without having to alter life plans and fortunes.

Put DD or DS with the best coach THEY choose. And they can't choose unless they get experience with a lot of different ones. Get a different coach every 2 years at least, and on teams with assistants that can teach and a club that rotates guest coaches in either form other team or the outside. If the club doesn't swap out coaches every 2 years, get a different club or convince them to change the policy. Play winter indoor with a different group. Pay up or guest play when you can. Consider a super y or other option in the summer that has team training under a different coach. Residential camps that aren't all with the same club team. All the above. Do it all before they're 15.

Coaches who stick with the same team for more than 2 years as it moves up ages are not in it for your DD/DS player development, they're it for their career trying to build a super team that wins something. Run away. There's a better coach at a better club closer to home 99% of the time in the DMV at least.

This person is clueless.

Sometimes the devil is in the details though

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like Alexandria joined CCL also

http://www.clubchampionsleague.com/2018/03/21/2018-alexandria-soccer-association-to-join-ccl/

So does this mean there will be 20 CCL teams next soccer year? I think they are maxed out now. If they add anymore, they would probably have to set up divisions (more than just CCL and CCL2).

That would be a good thing IMO. Multiple local levels with pro/rel. Wait thats what NCSL is already. Why do we need CCL? Are we going in circles?

Yes.