Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II

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Anonymous wrote:If it is a good team that’s likely not going to happen. “Everyone” is not already checked out.

But that is the issue isn't it? People "check out" when the team doesn't do well.
Whatever happened to working harder and resolving the issues? Not anymore I guess? Take the easy way out, quit and move on.
There are some circumstances where I guess it makes sense.

And again, the talk is about the team. It-is-a-bout-player-development if you're talking about anything to do with an elite level of play. Good players will be scouted. Don't buy the hype that they have to be in the right bracket at the right showcase. That's like going to the casino, yes you might get seen by a coach or scout you didn't think of. But 99% of all opportunities to play in college come when the player notifies the coach they're interested, and continues to pursue the coach to prove it. That coach will watch. They HATE recruiting and guessing how good a 16 year old player will be when they're 19. The kid can guest play for a team at a showcase if their team isn't there, but their college of choice is.

It's all about the player. Technically skilled, tactically smart, physically strong and fast enough, and mentally driven with grit to pursue what they want and make their case to the coach. It is so GD lazy to spend all this time trying to position your DD or DS in the shop windows with just the right team at just the right time hoping someone picks them with a golden ticket. It simply doesn't work that way. Half the kids on the "best" teams either never play college soccer at all, or they crash out as freshmen because it was their parents dream and effort, not their own grit that put them there. Some club college teams are very good and a great experience without having to alter life plans and fortunes.

Put DD or DS with the best coach THEY choose. And they can't choose unless they get experience with a lot of different ones. Get a different coach every 2 years at least, and on teams with assistants that can teach and a club that rotates guest coaches in either form other team or the outside. If the club doesn't swap out coaches every 2 years, get a different club or convince them to change the policy. Play winter indoor with a different group. Pay up or guest play when you can. Consider a super y or other option in the summer that has team training under a different coach. Residential camps that aren't all with the same club team. All the above. Do it all before they're 15.

Coaches who stick with the same team for more than 2 years as it moves up ages are not in it for your DD/DS player development, they're it for their career trying to build a super team that wins something. Run away. There's a better coach at a better club closer to home 99% of the time in the DMV at least.

This person is clueless.

Ok super dad who's never played or coached or talked to more than 2 college scouts. You keep guiding your DD/DS and see how that works out.

To summarize, none of this matters if the player isn't driving the bus. If they're not, they're not going to make it outside of your shadow when you're finally forced to set them free. There is no one path, other than the path that forged by the player's own passion and grit. Nothing wrong with being on a strong team at 15+ to get the most options for recruiting, but that will happen naturally if the ability is there.

Not a dad. Again, you don’t make much sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it is a good team that’s likely not going to happen. “Everyone” is not already checked out.

But that is the issue isn't it? People "check out" when the team doesn't do well.
Whatever happened to working harder and resolving the issues? Not anymore I guess? Take the easy way out, quit and move on.
There are some circumstances where I guess it makes sense.

And again, the talk is about the team. It-is-a-bout-player-development if you're talking about anything to do with an elite level of play. Good players will be scouted. Don't buy the hype that they have to be in the right bracket at the right showcase. That's like going to the casino, yes you might get seen by a coach or scout you didn't think of. But 99% of all opportunities to play in college come when the player notifies the coach they're interested, and continues to pursue the coach to prove it. That coach will watch. They HATE recruiting and guessing how good a 16 year old player will be when they're 19. The kid can guest play for a team at a showcase if their team isn't there, but their college of choice is.

It's all about the player. Technically skilled, tactically smart, physically strong and fast enough, and mentally driven with grit to pursue what they want and make their case to the coach. It is so GD lazy to spend all this time trying to position your DD or DS in the shop windows with just the right team at just the right time hoping someone picks them with a golden ticket. It simply doesn't work that way. Half the kids on the "best" teams either never play college soccer at all, or they crash out as freshmen because it was their parents dream and effort, not their own grit that put them there. Some club college teams are very good and a great experience without having to alter life plans and fortunes.

Put DD or DS with the best coach THEY choose. And they can't choose unless they get experience with a lot of different ones. Get a different coach every 2 years at least, and on teams with assistants that can teach and a club that rotates guest coaches in either form other team or the outside. If the club doesn't swap out coaches every 2 years, get a different club or convince them to change the policy. Play winter indoor with a different group. Pay up or guest play when you can. Consider a super y or other option in the summer that has team training under a different coach. Residential camps that aren't all with the same club team. All the above. Do it all before they're 15.

Coaches who stick with the same team for more than 2 years as it moves up ages are not in it for your DD/DS player development, they're it for their career trying to build a super team that wins something. Run away. There's a better coach at a better club closer to home 99% of the time in the DMV at least.

You’re just telling parents to go waste their money on unnecessary stuff. That’s how you end up with players who act like selfish brats when faced with adversity. And what are you rambling on about incoherently regarding these “super teams”? Should talented teams with ambition and good coaching not hold themselves to a high standard? Get a clue. Most of the time, the desire for these “super teams” to win trophies and games is driven by the players themselves. You’re talking about talented athletes who work their butts off at something that they love, why wouldn’t they want to get something out of it more than a mere participation trophy? They could play Rec otherwise. Think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many people just have no clue of what it is like to have to balance all the egos or the work that goes into planning a successful progressive session.

They do. They just don't want to deal with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it is a good team that’s likely not going to happen. “Everyone” is not already checked out.

But that is the issue isn't it? People "check out" when the team doesn't do well.
Whatever happened to working harder and resolving the issues? Not anymore I guess? Take the easy way out, quit and move on.
There are some circumstances where I guess it makes sense.

And again, the talk is about the team. It-is-a-bout-player-development if you're talking about anything to do with an elite level of play. Good players will be scouted. Don't buy the hype that they have to be in the right bracket at the right showcase. That's like going to the casino, yes you might get seen by a coach or scout you didn't think of. But 99% of all opportunities to play in college come when the player notifies the coach they're interested, and continues to pursue the coach to prove it. That coach will watch. They HATE recruiting and guessing how good a 16 year old player will be when they're 19. The kid can guest play for a team at a showcase if their team isn't there, but their college of choice is.

It's all about the player. Technically skilled, tactically smart, physically strong and fast enough, and mentally driven with grit to pursue what they want and make their case to the coach. It is so GD lazy to spend all this time trying to position your DD or DS in the shop windows with just the right team at just the right time hoping someone picks them with a golden ticket. It simply doesn't work that way. Half the kids on the "best" teams either never play college soccer at all, or they crash out as freshmen because it was their parents dream and effort, not their own grit that put them there. Some club college teams are very good and a great experience without having to alter life plans and fortunes.

Put DD or DS with the best coach THEY choose. And they can't choose unless they get experience with a lot of different ones. Get a different coach every 2 years at least, and on teams with assistants that can teach and a club that rotates guest coaches in either form other team or the outside. If the club doesn't swap out coaches every 2 years, get a different club or convince them to change the policy. Play winter indoor with a different group. Pay up or guest play when you can. Consider a super y or other option in the summer that has team training under a different coach. Residential camps that aren't all with the same club team. All the above. Do it all before they're 15.

Coaches who stick with the same team for more than 2 years as it moves up ages are not in it for your DD/DS player development, they're it for their career trying to build a super team that wins something. Run away. There's a better coach at a better club closer to home 99% of the time in the DMV at least.

You’re just telling parents to go waste their money on unnecessary stuff. That’s how you end up with players who act like selfish brats when faced with adversity. And what are you rambling on about incoherently regarding these “super teams”? Should talented teams with ambition and good coaching not hold themselves to a high standard? Get a clue. Most of the time, the desire for these “super teams” to win trophies and games is driven by the players themselves. You’re talking about talented athletes who work their butts off at something that they love, why wouldn’t they want to get something out of it more than a mere participation trophy? They could play Rec otherwise. Think.

Nothing wrong with that for sure. I am approaching the issue from the perspective of the entire youth system being designed for producing players who can succeed at the next level. To used education as an example, if you want to be an MD, you don't just stay at one school with the same professors and classmates. Not everyone wants to be an MD, that's fine. Enjoy the path within the bellcurve, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Like you say, great memories, great friends, lifelong lessons. And even college soccer no problem at some level. But I bet on that team you're talking about that's OK to do, there are a player or two who wanted to be an MD, and when it comes time to get in to med school, they won't pass the test.

It's a conversation about the 1% is all. But everyone on these boards seems to parse things as if the 50% are all shooting for the same thing. It's all you parents doing this. The kids just want to play. They'll play where you guide them. If that's to your super team, that's fine. You'll just never know if your DD or DS could have been the surgeon they always dreamed of being.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it is a good team that’s likely not going to happen. “Everyone” is not already checked out.

But that is the issue isn't it? People "check out" when the team doesn't do well.
Whatever happened to working harder and resolving the issues? Not anymore I guess? Take the easy way out, quit and move on.
There are some circumstances where I guess it makes sense.

And again, the talk is about the team. It-is-a-bout-player-development if you're talking about anything to do with an elite level of play. Good players will be scouted. Don't buy the hype that they have to be in the right bracket at the right showcase. That's like going to the casino, yes you might get seen by a coach or scout you didn't think of. But 99% of all opportunities to play in college come when the player notifies the coach they're interested, and continues to pursue the coach to prove it. That coach will watch. They HATE recruiting and guessing how good a 16 year old player will be when they're 19. The kid can guest play for a team at a showcase if their team isn't there, but their college of choice is.

It's all about the player. Technically skilled, tactically smart, physically strong and fast enough, and mentally driven with grit to pursue what they want and make their case to the coach. It is so GD lazy to spend all this time trying to position your DD or DS in the shop windows with just the right team at just the right time hoping someone picks them with a golden ticket. It simply doesn't work that way. Half the kids on the "best" teams either never play college soccer at all, or they crash out as freshmen because it was their parents dream and effort, not their own grit that put them there. Some club college teams are very good and a great experience without having to alter life plans and fortunes.

Put DD or DS with the best coach THEY choose. And they can't choose unless they get experience with a lot of different ones. Get a different coach every 2 years at least, and on teams with assistants that can teach and a club that rotates guest coaches in either form other team or the outside. If the club doesn't swap out coaches every 2 years, get a different club or convince them to change the policy. Play winter indoor with a different group. Pay up or guest play when you can. Consider a super y or other option in the summer that has team training under a different coach. Residential camps that aren't all with the same club team. All the above. Do it all before they're 15.

Coaches who stick with the same team for more than 2 years as it moves up ages are not in it for your DD/DS player development, they're it for their career trying to build a super team that wins something. Run away. There's a better coach at a better club closer to home 99% of the time in the DMV at least.

You’re just telling parents to go waste their money on unnecessary stuff. That’s how you end up with players who act like selfish brats when faced with adversity. And what are you rambling on about incoherently regarding these “super teams”? Should talented teams with ambition and good coaching not hold themselves to a high standard? Get a clue. Most of the time, the desire for these “super teams” to win trophies and games is driven by the players themselves. You’re talking about talented athletes who work their butts off at something that they love, why wouldn’t they want to get something out of it more than a mere participation trophy? They could play Rec otherwise. Think.

Nothing wrong with that for sure. I am approaching the issue from the perspective of the entire youth system being designed for producing players who can succeed at the next level. To used education as an example, if you want to be an MD, you don't just stay at one school with the same professors and classmates. Not everyone wants to be an MD, that's fine. Enjoy the path within the bellcurve, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Like you say, great memories, great friends, lifelong lessons. And even college soccer no problem at some level. But I bet on that team you're talking about that's OK to do, there are a player or two who wanted to be an MD, and when it comes time to get in to med school, they won't pass the test.

It's a conversation about the 1% is all. But everyone on these boards seems to parse things as if the 50% are all shooting for the same thing. It's all you parents doing this. The kids just want to play. They'll play where you guide them. If that's to your super team, that's fine. You'll just never know if your DD or DS could have been the surgeon they always dreamed of being.

I have been following this...and you have been voicing my philosophy. Growing up, we always made sure we learned a variety of different styles of play from coaches of different nationalities. It is what makes a player unique. You draw on a little from each and make it your own. My kids have been doing camps all over the area, and internationally. They play on different teams. They make up their own teams and enter tournaments. They play in separate winter leagues. They have learned to take instruction from countless different coaches over the years. They have had to adjust to different coaching styles. They have come in and been the 'new' kid many times. They have had to earn respect over and over again. I follow training and I'm always looking for new experiences for them. I ask a lot of questions. I take a lot of help. My kids, as they've aged, are a big part of asking for more of 'X' or 'Y' and voicing when they don't think the training is good. My kids have always been great teammates and give their all to whichever team/coach they are with. They are the furthest thing from prima donnas because, frankly, the level they have seen outside of their Club and local leagues is so superior. They are humble. They never think they are good enough. They always want to get better. They have taken ribbing from classmates that think the local Club is the best in the world and since they don't understand there is life outside of that cocoon, they will tease/rib my kids sometimes---neither of my kid is a follower so they just laugh and take it in stride. You start to see the pay off over time. These kids that were on nobody's radar start to come into their own. I see a lot of kids with wasted potential that are complacent. They never have to 'tryout' again because the Club just passes them on year to year. Players always have to see the next level. They always have to be uncomfortable to make progress.

[Anonymous]

Right. And you’re equating soccer to becoming a doctor... Cute little analogy.

[Anonymous]

I’ve seen kids who lost their love for the game because they hopped from club to club every other year in search of the next big thing to give them a leg up. There really is non end-all-be-all solution, and while supplemental training is cool, you could be doing them more harm than good by not allowing them to find consistency and build chemistry with their teammates. Especially at the older ages.

[Anonymous]

Maybe we’re just talking in regards to opposite ends of the age group spectrum and that’s where the disconnect is. I think a lot of the points you made are quite valid in the formative years if a parent wishes to follow that route.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe we’re just talking in regards to opposite ends of the age group spectrum and that’s where the disconnect is. I think a lot of the points you made are quite valid in the formative years if a parent wishes to follow that route.

The one poster said 'all before age 15'. I agree with that. Those years going forward are all about what is best for the kid. That will change over time. But, lots of experience with different player/teammates and different trainers and different styles is all needed.

[Anonymous]

On the topic of CCL, questions:

1) In CCL2, is there a difference between the Gloro and Copa divisions? Is one meant to be a higher tier than the other?

2) Do they have this same two-division CCL2 format for the younger age groups that don’t yet publish standings?

3) Why is CCL2 split in two but CCL is not?

Thanks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On the topic of CCL, questions:

1) In CCL2, is there a difference between the Gloro and Copa divisions? Is one meant to be a higher tier than the other?

2) Do they have this same two-division CCL2 format for the younger age groups that don’t yet publish standings?

3) Why is CCL2 split in two but CCL is not?

Thanks

I think the two divisions are based on location, it might be an experiment they are trying just with CCL2 for this year.

They have some new division for U9/U10 next fall on their website..... http://www.clubchampionsleague.com/next-gen/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the topic of CCL, questions:

1) In CCL2, is there a difference between the Gloro and Copa divisions? Is one meant to be a higher tier than the other?

2) Do they have this same two-division CCL2 format for the younger age groups that don’t yet publish standings?

3) Why is CCL2 split in two but CCL is not?

Thanks

I think the two divisions are based on location, it might be an experiment they are trying just with CCL2 for this year.

They have some new division for U9/U10 next fall on their website..... http://www.clubchampionsleague.com/next-gen/

seems like location but clubs still play clubs from the other division. I thought NextGen or similar to that was announced a few years ago. Maybe they are trying to ramp up interest again.

[Anonymous]

I wonder if anyone here realizes how ridiculously few people from this area go pro.

Look overseas. Look at MLS. Look at the NWSL. Not a lot of DMV people.

Yet if you read this board, everyone's going pro -- oh, but they might settle for merely playing in college.

Good luck with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if anyone here realizes how ridiculously few people from this area go pro.

Look overseas. Look at MLS. Look at the NWSL. Not a lot of DMV people.

Yet if you read this board, everyone's going pro -- oh, but they might settle for merely playing in college.

Good luck with that.

Thanks! My kid is dreaming big and I am encouraging her. The women's landscape is changing bigly right now and the status quo of what's produced success for the US women appears to be shifting as other countries are catching up and outplaying them. She can try to be part of the change and try to get there with the development she is interested in or sit and watch others .. She has chosen to be part of the change and will give it her all. As a whole, we haven't really given women the resources they deserve, it's about time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if anyone here realizes how ridiculously few people from this area go pro.

Look overseas. Look at MLS. Look at the NWSL. Not a lot of DMV people.

Yet if you read this board, everyone's going pro -- oh, but they might settle for merely playing in college.

Good luck with that.

Thanks! My kid is dreaming big and I am encouraging her. The women's landscape is changing bigly right now and the status quo of what's produced success for the US women appears to be shifting as other countries are catching up and outplaying them. She can try to be part of the change and try to get there with the development she is interested in or sit and watch others .. She has chosen to be part of the change and will give it her all. As a whole, we haven't really given women the resources they deserve, it's about time.

Yet it’s a model that hasn’t worked for the boys and the Men didn’t even qualify for the World Cup. The more the women have tried to mirror that model, the worse it’s been.