FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:They’d keep a certain group of people happy if they moved Chantilly kids to Westfield, and then Westfield to Herndon.

I see this happening before they touch Langley.

Chantilly parents will throw a fit over being moved to Westfield, generally seen as an inferior school.

Chantilly parents don't mind sending their kids to an overcrowded school. They love their school!!

Forestville loves our community schools too, so what’s your point. People pushing for boundary changes don’t care about these students.

Changing the school an ES matriculates to doesn't change the community of that school. Unless you're trying to say that Forestville is part of the Langley community, which is like, Elastigirl levels of stretching, didn't think that was possible in real life.

Great to hear that centreville and chantilly are good with while elementary school moves! That’ll be what’s required to alleviate overcrowding at the schools.

Moving the Brookfield kids to Stone MS and Westfields HS would make sense.

Same for Lee's Corner, who should go to Franklin MS and then onto Westfields.

I don't see how they eliminate split MS feeders entirely.

Brookfield kids are walkers to both Rocky Run and Chantilly HS. You really think they are going to move them to Stone and Westfield??

Rocky Run is one of the best middle schools and Stone is...not. No one is agreeing to that without a fight.

Exactly how Langley/cooper families feel about Herndon high and middle. You are not movinh kids to comparable schools at all. Yet any Langley family that wants to fight for their kid is labeled entitled when it doesn’t seem the case for other parents in the county fighting for what’s best for their kids. Make it make sense

The difference is you are so much closer to one school than another.
No one is moving walkers to one school to become bus riders to a farther school. Its not
logical.

I agree with the post from last night that you are a broken record on this. I’ve told you commute time is really not different among the schools because it’s not just distance it’s also crossing major roadways, lights, and congestion on roads. You conveniently ignore any other factor that might possibly go into transportation costs because all you have is a distance argument. Reductionist to it’s very core.

DP, but there are traffic lights heading east on Route 7 and some of other roads from GF to McLean with fewer traffic lights are narrow, congested roads. I don’t think you’re being ignored, just not credited when resources like Google Maps indicate Herndon is both closer and quicker.

It’s literally 17 lights vs. 3 on GTP. Don’t credit me (whatever that means), but just know that the teams deciding this are going to look at commute times more than distance, and it’s not quite the slam dunk that some dcum posters think it is.

Georgetown Pike is a slog. And I wonder what they possibly could have been thinking when that area was assigned to Herndon rather than Langley from 1965 to 1994.

Look, we know you want to stay at Langley, but sometimes things change.

I drive gtp frequently right when those buses are driving that route. Sure it’s a slog at 8:30am, Much less so at 7/7:30. Again, you’re just using this as pretext.

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Anonymous wrote:Google maps drive time takes into account stoplights.

Forestville ES for instance is a much shorter drive to HHS than Langley by any measure.

From where I am, it’s currently 13min to hhs vs 21min to Langley. I get that we’re mid day, but the Langley hater wants to believe it is hours to Langley and seconds to Herndon high. Simply not the case.

By the way, currently 18 to cooper and 17 to HMS.

So that’s google maps for you 🤓

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Anonymous wrote:They’d keep a certain group of people happy if they moved Chantilly kids to Westfield, and then Westfield to Herndon.

I see this happening before they touch Langley.

Chantilly parents will throw a fit over being moved to Westfield, generally seen as an inferior school.

Chantilly parents don't mind sending their kids to an overcrowded school. They love their school!!

Forestville loves our community schools too, so what’s your point. People pushing for boundary changes don’t care about these students.

Changing the school an ES matriculates to doesn't change the community of that school. Unless you're trying to say that Forestville is part of the Langley community, which is like, Elastigirl levels of stretching, didn't think that was possible in real life.

Great to hear that centreville and chantilly are good with while elementary school moves! That’ll be what’s required to alleviate overcrowding at the schools.

Moving the Brookfield kids to Stone MS and Westfields HS would make sense.

Same for Lee's Corner, who should go to Franklin MS and then onto Westfields.

I don't see how they eliminate split MS feeders entirely.

Brookfield kids are walkers to both Rocky Run and Chantilly HS. You really think they are going to move them to Stone and Westfield??

Rocky Run is one of the best middle schools and Stone is...not. No one is agreeing to that without a fight.

Exactly how Langley/cooper families feel about Herndon high and middle. You are not movinh kids to comparable schools at all. Yet any Langley family that wants to fight for their kid is labeled entitled when it doesn’t seem the case for other parents in the county fighting for what’s best for their kids. Make it make sense

The difference is you are so much closer to one school than another.
No one is moving walkers to one school to become bus riders to a farther school. Its not
logical.

I agree with the post from last night that you are a broken record on this. I’ve told you commute time is really not different among the schools because it’s not just distance it’s also crossing major roadways, lights, and congestion on roads. You conveniently ignore any other factor that might possibly go into transportation costs because all you have is a distance argument. Reductionist to it’s very core.

DP, but there are traffic lights heading east on Route 7 and some of other roads from GF to McLean with fewer traffic lights are narrow, congested roads. I don’t think you’re being ignored, just not credited when resources like Google Maps indicate Herndon is both closer and quicker.

It’s literally 17 lights vs. 3 on GTP. Don’t credit me (whatever that means), but just know that the teams deciding this are going to look at commute times more than distance, and it’s not quite the slam dunk that some dcum posters think it is.

Georgetown Pike is a slog. And I wonder what they possibly could have been thinking when that area was assigned to Herndon rather than Langley from 1965 to 1994.

Look, we know you want to stay at Langley, but sometimes things change.

I drive gtp frequently right when those buses are driving that route. Sure it’s a slog at 8:30am, Much less so at 7/7:30. Again, you’re just using this as pretext.

Since Langley starts at 8:10, I don’t think this quite makes the point you’re trying to make.

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Anonymous wrote:Google maps drive time takes into account stoplights.

Forestville ES for instance is a much shorter drive to HHS than Langley by any measure.

From where I am, it’s currently 13min to hhs vs 21min to Langley. I get that we’re mid day, but the Langley hater wants to believe it is hours to Langley and seconds to Herndon high. Simply not the case.

By the way, currently 18 to cooper and 17 to HMS.

So that’s google maps for you 🤓

That's a substantial time difference.

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Anonymous wrote:Google maps drive time takes into account stoplights.

Forestville ES for instance is a much shorter drive to HHS than Langley by any measure.

From where I am, it’s currently 13min to hhs vs 21min to Langley. I get that we’re mid day, but the Langley hater wants to believe it is hours to Langley and seconds to Herndon high. Simply not the case.

By the way, currently 18 to cooper and 17 to HMS.

So that’s google maps for you 🤓

That's a substantial time difference.

The time difference between the high schools also matters more because it’s 4 years and kids are more likely to have after-school activities that run late.

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Anonymous wrote:Google maps drive time takes into account stoplights.

Forestville ES for instance is a much shorter drive to HHS than Langley by any measure.

From where I am, it’s currently 13min to hhs vs 21min to Langley. I get that we’re mid day, but the Langley hater wants to believe it is hours to Langley and seconds to Herndon high. Simply not the case.

By the way, currently 18 to cooper and 17 to HMS.

So that’s google maps for you 🤓

That's a substantial time difference.

What is 8 minutes or 1 minute? Which one is an insurmountable cost to the county? Because if you are able to take one bus off the road for that amount of time (8 min times two times 180), charitably you are looking at $1,200 of driver cost for the entire school year for that bus.

That’s why, at the end of the day, the savings would be laughable. Again, it’s pretext for equity. Very transparent.

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Anonymous wrote:Google maps drive time takes into account stoplights.

Forestville ES for instance is a much shorter drive to HHS than Langley by any measure.

From where I am, it’s currently 13min to hhs vs 21min to Langley. I get that we’re mid day, but the Langley hater wants to believe it is hours to Langley and seconds to Herndon high. Simply not the case.

By the way, currently 18 to cooper and 17 to HMS.

So that’s google maps for you 🤓

That's a substantial time difference.

The time difference between the high schools also matters more because it’s 4 years and kids are more likely to have after-school activities that run late.

What difference would the late activities have on transportation costs?

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The bus isn’t an uber delivering your kid straight to school from your front door. Great Falls is spread out. A bus is going to have to drive a far distance to fill up regardless of whether they’re dropping the kids off at HHS or Langley in the end. Where transportation can potentially be saved is in neighborhoods where multiple bus routes are serving different schools like the Forestville boundary against Armstrong and Aldrin.

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Maybe the Chantilly / Centreville HS overcrowding could be alleviated by making them 10-12 and some western middle schools 7-9. That might help people avoid big, bad Herndon.

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Anonymous wrote:Google maps drive time takes into account stoplights.

Forestville ES for instance is a much shorter drive to HHS than Langley by any measure.

From where I am, it’s currently 13min to hhs vs 21min to Langley. I get that we’re mid day, but the Langley hater wants to believe it is hours to Langley and seconds to Herndon high. Simply not the case.

By the way, currently 18 to cooper and 17 to HMS.

So that’s google maps for you 🤓

That's a substantial time difference.

The time difference between the high schools also matters more because it’s 4 years and kids are more likely to have after-school activities that run late.

What difference would the late activities have on transportation costs?

It impacts the environment more if all these Great Falls drivers are on the road for longer periods and kids also have less down time.

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Anonymous wrote:The bus isn’t an uber delivering your kid straight to school from your front door. Great Falls is spread out. A bus is going to have to drive a far distance to fill up regardless of whether they’re dropping the kids off at HHS or Langley in the end. Where transportation can potentially be saved is in neighborhoods where multiple bus routes are serving different schools like the Forestville boundary against Armstrong and Aldrin.

Sorry that’s just not that much of Forestville. Way different story around most of Forestville. Again just feels like you are cherry picking.

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Anonymous wrote:Google maps drive time takes into account stoplights.

Forestville ES for instance is a much shorter drive to HHS than Langley by any measure.

From where I am, it’s currently 13min to hhs vs 21min to Langley. I get that we’re mid day, but the Langley hater wants to believe it is hours to Langley and seconds to Herndon high. Simply not the case.

By the way, currently 18 to cooper and 17 to HMS.

So that’s google maps for you 🤓

That's a substantial time difference.

The time difference between the high schools also matters more because it’s 4 years and kids are more likely to have after-school activities that run late.

What difference would the late activities have on transportation costs?

It impacts the environment more if all these Great Falls drivers are on the road for longer periods and kids also have less down time.

Your scenarios are getting more contrived as you go.

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Anonymous wrote:The bus isn’t an uber delivering your kid straight to school from your front door. Great Falls is spread out. A bus is going to have to drive a far distance to fill up regardless of whether they’re dropping the kids off at HHS or Langley in the end. Where transportation can potentially be saved is in neighborhoods where multiple bus routes are serving different schools like the Forestville boundary against Armstrong and Aldrin.

The idea!!! Rich Armstrong and Aldrin kids are too inferior to mix with rich Forestville kids. No, no, no! Their HHS cooties might infect them!

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe the Chantilly / Centreville HS overcrowding could be alleviated by making them 10-12 and some western middle schools 7-9. That might help people avoid big, bad Herndon.

Thats a logistical non starter. 9th grade is high school.

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Anonymous wrote:Google maps drive time takes into account stoplights.

Forestville ES for instance is a much shorter drive to HHS than Langley by any measure.

From where I am, it’s currently 13min to hhs vs 21min to Langley. I get that we’re mid day, but the Langley hater wants to believe it is hours to Langley and seconds to Herndon high. Simply not the case.

By the way, currently 18 to cooper and 17 to HMS.

So that’s google maps for you 🤓

That's a substantial time difference.

What is 8 minutes or 1 minute? Which one is an insurmountable cost to the county? Because if you are able to take one bus off the road for that amount of time (8 min times two times 180), charitably you are looking at $1,200 of driver cost for the entire school year for that bus.

That’s why, at the end of the day, the savings would be laughable. Again, it’s pretext for equity. Very transparent.

Even if it means different things to different people, “equity” is not a dirty word to most people in the county the way it seems to be to Forestville parents. You hurt your cause when you always use it pejoratively, as the opposite of equity is “inequity,” and people then assume that’s what Langley represents.