Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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We really don’t need to feel bad for these guys (excepting the teenager).

Why not? You can simultaneously feel bad for someone for the consequences of making a poor decision, while also recognizing that it was a poor decision. I feel bad for them, truly, while at the same time, I think it was poor judgment to choose to go down in that thing.

You certainly can feel bad for them, but I don’t think you need to in order to be a “good” person.

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We really don’t need to feel bad for these guys (excepting the teenager).

Why not? You can simultaneously feel bad for someone for the consequences of making a poor decision, while also recognizing that it was a poor decision. I feel bad for them, truly, while at the same time, I think it was poor judgment to choose to go down in that thing.

for some reason I feel bad for the french guy -- although I feel he knew he was taking on a life ending risk. and he was 77. but still he seemed like such an interesting guy.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t believe the kids mom allowed it?! I mean if a husband wants to risk a life you can’t necessarily stop him but most moms wouldn’t let DH risk their kid’s life. Unless it was one of those you’re 18, I can’t stop you households. But usually Pakistani households aren’t like that - though I guess only 1/2 Pakistani here.

Your comment reveals your hindsight bias. They almost certainly didn’t know how risky this was. We only know now due to the intense investigations related to the incident.

DP: It doesn’t take “hindsight” or “bias” or “intense investigations related to the incident “ to get that being sealed into a small container to go exploring a wreck — inherently unpredictable— with a limited supply of air, and few if any specific plans in the event of an emergency is way beyond what most people would view as “risky” — on multiple levels.

Life is all about risk/rewards. That’s what makes us humans different than our closest cousins the chimps. Without it, we are no different. Want a banana PP?

Totally agree. Just the other day I rode a motorcycle in the dark with no helmet. The thrill I experienced reminded me of how grateful I am that humans evolved to take risks like this.

I drove past a smashed motorcycle and a body under a sheet on I 95 recently. Near Dale City.

Glad you are happy with your choices. I just hope the recklessness of people like you doesn't impact the rest of us.

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A debris field was discovered, update coming

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Anonymous wrote:A debris field was discovered, update coming

where did you see this

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so effing weird. Kneejerk liberal reaction of "billionaires bad >"

And yet...the people on board the submarine aren't the ones making tasteless jokes about people who are probably dead.

Idk you couldn't pay ME $250k to get on that thing but I also think they're human beings with loved ones.

Two opposite things can be true at the same time. Of course most people feel bad for their terror, death, loss. And SMDH at the foolhardy, arrogant, wasteful indulgence.

It's like seeing some idiot in a million dollar car driving like a jerk and then having a fender bender. Wasteful indulgence confirms owner stupidity.

And what is it they say? Every billionaire is a libertarian until they need a billion dollar search and rescue effort.

+1

I am one of those people who does not think it’s moral to be a billionaire, but that doesn’t mean I want them to die or suffer. I just want them to be like Dolly Parton and do good things with their money. And I don’t think that being really sad about it makes somebody a better person than the ones making Orca jokes. We really don’t need to feel bad for these guys (excepting the teenager).

They could be “do[ing] good things with their money” AND also decided to spend 250k to take this trip. It’s not an either/ or.

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Anonymous wrote:What does this mean? The Guardian just quoted someone saying this incident has ruined future research that could have been done on the Titanic wreck site. Why?

“The chances of any future research being carried out on the wreck of Titanic is extremely slim. Probably not in my lifetime.”

What research is necessary? It sank over 100 years ago after hitting an iceberg, most of which was below sea level. Over 1100 people lost their lives. Ship design has moved on since then. So what more could research add?

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t believe the kids mom allowed it?! I mean if a husband wants to risk a life you can’t necessarily stop him but most moms wouldn’t let DH risk their kid’s life. Unless it was one of those you’re 18, I can’t stop you households. But usually Pakistani households aren’t like that - though I guess only 1/2 Pakistani here.

Your comment reveals your hindsight bias. They almost certainly didn’t know how risky this was. We only know now due to the intense investigations related to the incident.

DP: It doesn’t take “hindsight” or “bias” or “intense investigations related to the incident “ to get that being sealed into a small container to go exploring a wreck — inherently unpredictable— with a limited supply of air, and few if any specific plans in the event of an emergency is way beyond what most people would view as “risky” — on multiple levels.

Life is all about risk/rewards. That’s what makes us humans different than our closest cousins the chimps. Without it, we are no different. Want a banana PP?

Totally agree. Just the other day I rode a motorcycle in the dark with no helmet. The thrill I experienced reminded me of how grateful I am that humans evolved to take risks like this.

I drove past a smashed motorcycle and a body under a sheet on I 95 recently. Near Dale City.

Glad you are happy with your choices. I just hope the recklessness of people like you doesn't impact the rest of us.

PP here and I was being sarcastic. The idea that what makes us human and more evolved than chimps is taking stupid risks is so absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:A debris field was discovered, update coming

where did you see this

Just in CNN

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Anonymous wrote:A debris field was discovered, update coming

where did you see this

Just in CNN

ok i'm sure there is quite a bit of debris down there though. we'll see....

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I just feel like the CEO was a total scam artist. The organization that oversees the safety of these things only sent him a letter in 2018 because he was advertising that his submersibles underwent their stringent safety inspections. He probably said University of Washington, Boeing and NASA worked with him because he either bought used parts from them or rented lab space. I’m beginning to think he was either a total crook, an egotistical narcissist or just completely nuts.

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From CNN

“ The US Coast Guard says a debris field was discovered by a remotely operated vehicle near the Titanic submersible search area, and authorities are “evaluating the information,” officials tweeted Thursday.

It is unclear if this debris field is connected to the missing submersible.

The US Coast Guard also has announced a press briefing at 3 p.m. ET”

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Anonymous wrote:I just feel like the CEO was a total scam artist. The organization that oversees the safety of these things only sent him a letter in 2018 because he was advertising that his submersibles underwent their stringent safety inspections. He probably said University of Washington, Boeing and NASA worked with him because he either bought used parts from them or rented lab space. I’m beginning to think he was either a total crook, an egotistical narcissist or just completely nuts.

maybe but if he knew the work was shoddy -- why would he go down in the thing??? delusional

[Anonymous]

One can only hope that debris field is the Titan. They would've died quickly and we can put this story to bed.

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Anonymous wrote:My tween thinks that maybe someone wanted the billionaire dead. He has a point. How can they not know where they are when they have the exact coordinates of the wreck and of where they last were? The submersible sank like a stone in the ocean (literally) from a specific location. Obviously, it is on the ocean floor at or very near to that exact spot.

No, he doesn’t have a point. Has he never heard of ocean currents?

This thing weighs 12 tons and is not buoyant. It would take a pretty major current to displace it THAT much.

Anything is possible in this rampant inflationary environment.

But is it OK to rescue king crab fisherpeople vs millionaire space (or sea) tourists?