Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Anonymous wrote:Saw a clip of company spokesman showing documentation of work with Boeing and U of W. Sounds as if two orgs are lying as they try to distance themselves.

I believe that. Damage control at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:What does this mean? The Guardian just quoted someone saying this incident has ruined future research that could have been done on the Titanic wreck site. Why?

“The chances of any future research being carried out on the wreck of Titanic is extremely slim. Probably not in my lifetime.”

The legit research orgs that safely explored the Titanic site for the past 25+ years are probably now uninsurable.

There were 3-D scans recently done of Titanic and the results are amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2XtefrMNhg

Most everyone agrees in a couple decades Titanic will be gone. I doubt you could ever get a better view than this, especially not out of a tiny portal window.

The video is amazing and mesmerizing, but totally not worthy risking one's life. Am I missing something?

Yes. The images were taken by unmanned submerssibles controlled from a ship on the surface. These seems like the ideal way to do this research.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a long thread, so I don't know if this is already been mentioned. But the reason that the owner of the vessel was able to cut so many corners was because they were exploring an international waters, so no laws applied. Not US regulations nor any other country's regulation applied to this exploration. The business owner of this venture is a piece of sh!t.

The passengers should have done their due diligence. I am shocked that such wealthy people would have climbed into this tin can. James Cameron has been to the same wreck dozens of times and is still around to tell the tale.

Was it significantly cheaper to get on the Titan or is there a long waiting list for other submersibles? Maybe it’s pretty much impossible to get a seat on one of the known, certified submersibles?

Cameron has his own deep sea exploration company and his own subs. You have a point. I don’t think the others offer commercial tours, probably for very good reasons.

I have been trying to find this answer to the James Cameron stuff. I assume he was on a sub made from the highest standards, and a slew of support to safely do the whole exploration? Were his research trips just of a completely different element?

https://www.businessinsider.com/see-inside-triton-submersibles-submarines-james-cameron-ray-dalio-backed-2023-1

I was wondering the same--what sets Cameron's subs apart from this Oceangate and wow, now that's something I'd paid $250,000 to experience if I had $250k to blow. Those subs look very cool and high tech, plus you get a panoramic view instead of one tiny porthole.

Cameron’s first dives were made using Russian submersibles. Now money is no object for him so I’d assume he spared no effort in getting the best technology for his diving vehicles. The Titanic is small potatoes to him. Cameron made a successful dive to the bottom of the Mariana Trench that is almost 7 miles deep.

So did one of the guys stuck on the Titan in probably something far more sophisticated in the sub he's currently stuck in. I still wonder why he would board this one having already made far deeper dives, but maybe he was being a good friend and wanted to show his support to OceanGate.

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Anonymous wrote:What does this mean? The Guardian just quoted someone saying this incident has ruined future research that could have been done on the Titanic wreck site. Why?

“The chances of any future research being carried out on the wreck of Titanic is extremely slim. Probably not in my lifetime.”

The legit research orgs that safely explored the Titanic site for the past 25+ years are probably now uninsurable.

There were 3-D scans recently done of Titanic and the results are amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2XtefrMNhg

Most everyone agrees in a couple decades Titanic will be gone. I doubt you could ever get a better view than this, especially not out of a tiny portal window.

The video is amazing and mesmerizing, but totally not worthy risking one's life. Am I missing something?

Yes. The images were taken by unmanned submerssibles controlled from a ship on the surface. These seems like the ideal way to do this research.

We saw more watching that video for free than those people would see paying $250k.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a long thread, so I don't know if this is already been mentioned. But the reason that the owner of the vessel was able to cut so many corners was because they were exploring an international waters, so no laws applied. Not US regulations nor any other country's regulation applied to this exploration. The business owner of this venture is a piece of sh!t.

The passengers should have done their due diligence. I am shocked that such wealthy people would have climbed into this tin can. James Cameron has been to the same wreck dozens of times and is still around to tell the tale.

Was it significantly cheaper to get on the Titan or is there a long waiting list for other submersibles? Maybe it’s pretty much impossible to get a seat on one of the known, certified submersibles?

Cameron has his own deep sea exploration company and his own subs. You have a point. I don’t think the others offer commercial tours, probably for very good reasons.

I have been trying to find this answer to the James Cameron stuff. I assume he was on a sub made from the highest standards, and a slew of support to safely do the whole exploration? Were his research trips just of a completely different element?

https://www.businessinsider.com/see-inside-triton-submersibles-submarines-james-cameron-ray-dalio-backed-2023-1

I was wondering the same--what sets Cameron's subs apart from this Oceangate and wow, now that's something I'd paid $250,000 to experience if I had $250k to blow. Those subs look very cool and high tech, plus you get a panoramic view instead of one tiny porthole.

Cameron’s first dives were made using Russian submersibles. Now money is no object for him so I’d assume he spared no effort in getting the best technology for his diving vehicles. The Titanic is small potatoes to him. Cameron made a successful dive to the bottom of the Mariana Trench that is almost 7 miles deep.

So did one of the guys stuck on the Titan in probably something far more sophisticated in the sub he's currently stuck in. I still wonder why he would board this one having already made far deeper dives, but maybe he was being a good friend and wanted to show his support to OceanGate.

exactly. they knew what it looked like to do this right so it's puzzling they would do a purely experimental dive.

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I went from there's no hope, to there's slight hope, back to no hope. I need to step away from this story. Over and out.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a long thread, so I don't know if this is already been mentioned. But the reason that the owner of the vessel was able to cut so many corners was because they were exploring an international waters, so no laws applied. Not US regulations nor any other country's regulation applied to this exploration. The business owner of this venture is a piece of sh!t.

The passengers should have done their due diligence. I am shocked that such wealthy people would have climbed into this tin can. James Cameron has been to the same wreck dozens of times and is still around to tell the tale.

Was it significantly cheaper to get on the Titan or is there a long waiting list for other submersibles? Maybe it’s pretty much impossible to get a seat on one of the known, certified submersibles?

Cameron has his own deep sea exploration company and his own subs. You have a point. I don’t think the others offer commercial tours, probably for very good reasons.

I have been trying to find this answer to the James Cameron stuff. I assume he was on a sub made from the highest standards, and a slew of support to safely do the whole exploration? Were his research trips just of a completely different element?

https://www.businessinsider.com/see-inside-triton-submersibles-submarines-james-cameron-ray-dalio-backed-2023-1

I was wondering the same--what sets Cameron's subs apart from this Oceangate and wow, now that's something I'd paid $250,000 to experience if I had $250k to blow. Those subs look very cool and high tech, plus you get a panoramic view instead of one tiny porthole.

Cameron’s first dives were made using Russian submersibles. Now money is no object for him so I’d assume he spared no effort in getting the best technology for his diving vehicles. The Titanic is small potatoes to him. Cameron made a successful dive to the bottom of the Mariana Trench that is almost 7 miles deep.

So did one of the guys stuck on the Titan in probably something far more sophisticated in the sub he's currently stuck in. I still wonder why he would board this one having already made far deeper dives, but maybe he was being a good friend and wanted to show his support to OceanGate.

Was he also a part-owner who went to show confidence in the project, I wonder?

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Anonymous wrote:8:53 here and I think that those who are triggered by this are probably imagining themselves in the submarine. If you’re doing that, practice some self-care. Put your phone away if you can (sometimes I give mine to my husband or kids), distract yourself with a fun hobby, another problem you have, a non-heated debate with your husband, cookies candy crush, whatever. You need to get away from thinking about this and you need to do it in a way that doesn’t require a lot of self-control. Take care of yourself.

NP who is an empath and this isn't quite it. This particular tragedy isn't impacting me deeply (I'm one of those hateful commies who thinks that rich people spending $$$$ to completely recreate the Titanic for Rich Guy Cred is lowkey hilarious), but when a news story becomes triggering it's not because I'm picturing it happening to me, it's picturing (or knowing) it happened at all. I was extremely, extremely f*#cked up by the Uvalde shooting, and I never pictured myself as a kid or parent outside. Just, the existence of that depth of depravity is enough to knock me off course for days. I could see someone being overwhelmed by the horror of this situation without mentally placing themselves in a handmade tin can.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think the vessel will actually ever be found? It's a literal needle in a huge haystack.

It's a FIGURATIVE needle in a haystack. A literal needle in a haystack would be a needle in a haystack.

+1 come on now.

I’m not the first PP, but people use literal in the non-literal sense, as a way of saying “in effect.”

I’m sure you knew this, though. Don’t be pedantic.

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Actually, people use it as an intensifier of a phrase. Like mark Twain when he said something like “the man was literally rolling in money.”

The more you know. 🌈

Yes, or the person was literally on fire during their speech. This wasn't used as an intensifier though. The more you know.

The needle in the haystack comment? Yes, it was used as an intensifier.

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Anonymous wrote:What does this mean? The Guardian just quoted someone saying this incident has ruined future research that could have been done on the Titanic wreck site. Why?

“The chances of any future research being carried out on the wreck of Titanic is extremely slim. Probably not in my lifetime.”

The legit research orgs that safely explored the Titanic site for the past 25+ years are probably now uninsurable.

There were 3-D scans recently done of Titanic and the results are amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2XtefrMNhg

Most everyone agrees in a couple decades Titanic will be gone. I doubt you could ever get a better view than this, especially not out of a tiny portal window.

The video is amazing and mesmerizing, but totally not worthy risking one's life. Am I missing something?

I’m sure you have your own passions that don’t make sense to others.

No, I find beauty in a simple life. I am sure my boring life doesn't make sense to others.

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Anonymous wrote:Saw a clip of company spokesman showing documentation of work with Boeing and U of W. Sounds as if two orgs are lying as they try to distance themselves.

With or at? I think UW came out and said he had basically rented lab time to work on stuff at UW, but that UW wasn’t otherwise involved in actual work on the Titan.

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Anonymous wrote:I disagree that this isn't a traumatizing story. Obviously levels of trauma vary significantly and many many people are able to read (and even laugh ) about it without feeling any personal impact. But this is really tough to know about for "deep feeling" people, and it absolutely has a negative collective impact on mental health.

I hope these people are found and rescued, and that with their billions they will pay back the costs of being rescued from what I agree was entirely a vanity project at now great financial and emotional cost to the public. It's horrifying and I hope they are able to be saved. I can't imagine what their families are going through.

This is the best post and I agree 100%

Some people here should be ashamed of themselves.

The teen on board is especially upsetting.

Ok, but question for you two - how do you manage to get out of bed much less function on a daily basis with the amount of suffering and death that occurs every second around the world? I can think of many, many situations that are far worse for people (especially because they didn't put themselves in those situations!), that break my heart more than this. Yes, this is sad, it's sad when (almost anyone) dies, especially in a manner like this. But it's not remotely as sad as children dying of starvation, children being sold off into sex slavery, migrants dying trying to cross a body of water. I could go on and on. So if THIS is what you want to categorize as traumatizing, how do you handle everything else that's going on?

I’m the poster who originally posited that this is a potentially traumatic incident for many millions of people. Recent decades of research in psychology and neuroscience has clearly established that our brains are impacted by vicarious trauma, folks who work in fields where they are witness to traumatic experiences are clearly affected. Some people are affected more than others - there is now growing consensus that some people, perhaps ~30%, are highly sensitive people upon whom trauma had greater impact than others.

I actually *do* struggle every day with how to cope with psychological anguish I feel considering the suffering of others I have never met - victims of the war in Ukraine, starving children in the Sudan, girls and women raped and murdered all over the world as a weapon of war and/or misogyny.

In this case I am not traumatized so much by the loss of these five people but rather by the manner of the deaths - as the whole world contemplates whether they were blown to bits in a sudden depressurization or whether they are experiencing the hellish agony of a long slow descent into madness and suffocation.

They didn’t do this TO you. If only there was a way for you to not click on a website or watch this on the tv. I believe HGTV has no coverage of this at all.

I haven’t been watching television coverage, nor do I typically watch news.

Thanks for revealing your utter ignorance about how trauma works in the brain.

Girl you are NOT having a trauma response to this, be so for real. Get off the internet, you are too online.

This. And also, the PP has posted at least 4 times on this thread, so claiming suggesting that is avoiding coverage is ludicrous.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so effing weird. Kneejerk liberal reaction of "billionaires bad >"

And yet...the people on board the submarine aren't the ones making tasteless jokes about people who are probably dead.

Idk you couldn't pay ME $250k to get on that thing but I also think they're human beings with loved ones.

Two opposite things can be true at the same time. Of course most people feel bad for their terror, death, loss. And SMDH at the foolhardy, arrogant, wasteful indulgence.

It's like seeing some idiot in a million dollar car driving like a jerk and then having a fender bender. Wasteful indulgence confirms owner stupidity.

And what is it they say? Every billionaire is a libertarian until they need a billion dollar search and rescue effort.

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I am one of those people who does not think it’s moral to be a billionaire, but that doesn’t mean I want them to die or suffer. I just want them to be like Dolly Parton and do good things with their money. And I don’t think that being really sad about it makes somebody a better person than the ones making Orca jokes. We really don’t need to feel bad for these guys (excepting the teenager).

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We really don’t need to feel bad for these guys (excepting the teenager).

Why not? You can simultaneously feel bad for someone for the consequences of making a poor decision, while also recognizing that it was a poor decision. I feel bad for them, truly, while at the same time, I think it was poor judgment to choose to go down in that thing.

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To be fair, how will we ever know what caused the Titanic to sink if we don’t study the site of the wreckage?