Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss

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Anonymous wrote:What percent of girls make the Vienna travel teams U9? That's the first year, correct?

That is, of the 12 or so girls on the house u8 team, how many will tryout and how many will get selected?

This spring, Vienna formed four travel teams of 12 players each -- 44 players. I think 50-some players tried out, which seems a little low to me. It was closer to 90 on the boys side. They've had more than 100 boys in the past. Not sure how many girls they typically get, but again, under 60 seems low to me.

They currently have 10 House teams at U9, so that's obviously a lot bigger. The U9 boys have 14.

As they get older, it's not too hard to get onto *some* travel team, and some teams are scrambling for players. (Which seems typical in a lot of places.) But the top teams are selective and pretty good. They've got two in the State Cup semifinals this fall. In one age group, they got two teams in the "Champions League" groups (eight teams), which is unusual.

While VYS keeps trying to make their program sound good, take note that none of the teams they brag about were developed through their academy system. The best any Academy team has done in State Cup competition is to make it to the final 8, and that happened one time several years ago. Maybe things will change with the new TD but based on the VPL results, it won't be this year.

Given all of that, it's pretty weird that VYS just won a state championship, isn't it?

No, because it wasn't an academy team. How stupid are you?

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If you know that age group, you know that was an upset

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What percent of girls make the Vienna travel teams U9? That's the first year, correct?

That is, of the 12 or so girls on the house u8 team, how many will tryout and how many will get selected?

This spring, Vienna formed four travel teams of 12 players each -- 44 players. I think 50-some players tried out, which seems a little low to me. It was closer to 90 on the boys side. They've had more than 100 boys in the past. Not sure how many girls they typically get, but again, under 60 seems low to me.

They currently have 10 House teams at U9, so that's obviously a lot bigger. The U9 boys have 14.

As they get older, it's not too hard to get onto *some* travel team, and some teams are scrambling for players. (Which seems typical in a lot of places.) But the top teams are selective and pretty good. They've got two in the State Cup semifinals this fall. In one age group, they got two teams in the "Champions League" groups (eight teams), which is unusual.

While VYS keeps trying to make their program sound good, take note that none of the teams they brag about were developed through their academy system. The best any Academy team has done in State Cup competition is to make it to the final 8, and that happened one time several years ago. Maybe things will change with the new TD but based on the VPL results, it won't be this year.

Given all of that, it's pretty weird that VYS just won a state championship, isn't it?

No, because it wasn't an academy team. How stupid are you?

They actually train academy-style now, but they didn't go through Eddie's academy, which seems to be what upsets you so much for some reason.

VYS had three teams in their age groups' eight-team final groups -- including two in one age group. The girls teams have stuck together. The boys are more scattered, though a lot of players from Madison's excellent team last spring are still in VYS.

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The first academy players in VYS are just now high school freshmen so none of them were on Madison's team last spring. Not sure how other age groups handle academy-style training but in my child's age group, only the Black and White teams train together. The Red team practices at the same time and field but always separately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What percent of girls make the Vienna travel teams U9? That's the first year, correct?

That is, of the 12 or so girls on the house u8 team, how many will tryout and how many will get selected?

This spring, Vienna formed four travel teams of 12 players each -- 44 players. I think 50-some players tried out, which seems a little low to me. It was closer to 90 on the boys side. They've had more than 100 boys in the past. Not sure how many girls they typically get, but again, under 60 seems low to me.

They currently have 10 House teams at U9, so that's obviously a lot bigger. The U9 boys have 14.

As they get older, it's not too hard to get onto *some* travel team, and some teams are scrambling for players. (Which seems typical in a lot of places.) But the top teams are selective and pretty good. They've got two in the State Cup semifinals this fall. In one age group, they got two teams in the "Champions League" groups (eight teams), which is unusual.

While VYS keeps trying to make their program sound good, take note that none of the teams they brag about were developed through their academy system. The best any Academy team has done in State Cup competition is to make it to the final 8, and that happened one time several years ago. Maybe things will change with the new TD but based on the VPL results, it won't be this year.

Given all of that, it's pretty weird that VYS just won a state championship, isn't it?

No, because it wasn't an academy team. How stupid are you?

You don't think it's weird that VYS touts its academy teams yet a non-academy team won the state cup? What's wrong with this picture?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The first academy players in VYS are just now high school freshmen so none of them were on Madison's team last spring. Not sure how other age groups handle academy-style training but in my child's age group, only the Black and White teams train together. The Red team practices at the same time and field but always separately.

I don't what VYS plans to do, but two elite "Red" squads of my acquaintance are largely Aug.-Dec. birthday players. The VYS colors may be mixing soon, even promiscuously, God forbid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What percent of girls make the Vienna travel teams U9? That's the first year, correct?

That is, of the 12 or so girls on the house u8 team, how many will tryout and how many will get selected?

This spring, Vienna formed four travel teams of 12 players each -- 44 players. I think 50-some players tried out, which seems a little low to me. It was closer to 90 on the boys side. They've had more than 100 boys in the past. Not sure how many girls they typically get, but again, under 60 seems low to me.

They currently have 10 House teams at U9, so that's obviously a lot bigger. The U9 boys have 14.

As they get older, it's not too hard to get onto *some* travel team, and some teams are scrambling for players. (Which seems typical in a lot of places.) But the top teams are selective and pretty good. They've got two in the State Cup semifinals this fall. In one age group, they got two teams in the "Champions League" groups (eight teams), which is unusual.

While VYS keeps trying to make their program sound good, take note that none of the teams they brag about were developed through their academy system. The best any Academy team has done in State Cup competition is to make it to the final 8, and that happened one time several years ago. Maybe things will change with the new TD but based on the VPL results, it won't be this year.

Given all of that, it's pretty weird that VYS just won a state championship, isn't it?

No, because it wasn't an academy team. How stupid are you?

You don't think it's weird that VYS touts its academy teams yet a non-academy team won the state cup? What's wrong with this picture?

How does VYS "tout" its academy teams?

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Perhaps by making sweeping, self-congratulatory statements like these?

"Youth Academy programs have emerged as the 21st century alternative to the frustrating shortfalls in soccer development displayed by most pre-teens."

Here VYS highlights its wisdom in finding the answer to player development while managing to insult most pre-teens.

Although you don't see Richard Gunney literally acting as a carnival barker at the intersection of Maple and Nutley, there is at least some touting going on. Philosophies were explored. Parents were marketed to and won over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps by making sweeping, self-congratulatory statements like these?

"Youth Academy programs have emerged as the 21st century alternative to the frustrating shortfalls in soccer development displayed by most pre-teens."

Here VYS highlights its wisdom in finding the answer to player development while managing to insult most pre-teens.

Although you don't see Richard Gunney literally acting as a carnival barker at the intersection of Maple and Nutley, there is at least some touting going on. Philosophies were explored. Parents were marketed to and won over.

Where is that?

That actually reads like something someone else wrote. Was thinking it might be SYC, but they limit it to stuff like this:

"All rosters will train together as an integrated Academy, so all players learn the same style of play with the same lexicon, and can be moved from roster to roster freely to create optimal training opportunities."

Still thinking that statement might have been elsewhere, and they're just repeating it.

But I'm confused. I thought our academy-bashing person actually realized that a lot of clubs have gone to this style, and he was just specifically bashing Eddie Lima's academy. So it's still bad even though (A) it's mostly new coaches at VYS and (B) other clubs do it, too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps by making sweeping, self-congratulatory statements like these?

"Youth Academy programs have emerged as the 21st century alternative to the frustrating shortfalls in soccer development displayed by most pre-teens."

Here VYS highlights its wisdom in finding the answer to player development while managing to insult most pre-teens.

Although you don't see Richard Gunney literally acting as a carnival barker at the intersection of Maple and Nutley, there is at least some touting going on. Philosophies were explored. Parents were marketed to and won over.

Where is that?

That actually reads like something someone else wrote. Was thinking it might be SYC, but they limit it to stuff like this:

"All rosters will train together as an integrated Academy, so all players learn the same style of play with the same lexicon, and can be moved from roster to roster freely to create optimal training opportunities."

Still thinking that statement might have been elsewhere, and they're just repeating it.

But I'm confused. I thought our academy-bashing person actually realized that a lot of clubs have gone to this style, and he was just specifically bashing Eddie Lima's academy. So it's still bad even though (A) it's mostly new coaches at VYS and (B) other clubs do it, too?

I would fast from any Club that had that statement. Are they creating robots?

My kids purposely train in many different places and learn many different styles of play from different cultures. Anyone trying to limit soccer education to the same monotonous style of play is bad, just bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What percent of girls make the Vienna travel teams U9? That's the first year, correct?

That is, of the 12 or so girls on the house u8 team, how many will tryout and how many will get selected?

This spring, Vienna formed four travel teams of 12 players each -- 44 players. I think 50-some players tried out, which seems a little low to me. It was closer to 90 on the boys side. They've had more than 100 boys in the past. Not sure how many girls they typically get, but again, under 60 seems low to me.

They currently have 10 House teams at U9, so that's obviously a lot bigger. The U9 boys have 14.

As they get older, it's not too hard to get onto *some* travel team, and some teams are scrambling for players. (Which seems typical in a lot of places.) But the top teams are selective and pretty good. They've got two in the State Cup semifinals this fall. In one age group, they got two teams in the "Champions League" groups (eight teams), which is unusual.

While VYS keeps trying to make their program sound good, take note that none of the teams they brag about were developed through their academy system. The best any Academy team has done in State Cup competition is to make it to the final 8, and that happened one time several years ago. Maybe things will change with the new TD but based on the VPL results, it won't be this year.

Given all of that, it's pretty weird that VYS just won a state championship, isn't it?

The team that won is much older.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps by making sweeping, self-congratulatory statements like these?

"Youth Academy programs have emerged as the 21st century alternative to the frustrating shortfalls in soccer development displayed by most pre-teens."

Here VYS highlights its wisdom in finding the answer to player development while managing to insult most pre-teens.

Although you don't see Richard Gunney literally acting as a carnival barker at the intersection of Maple and Nutley, there is at least some touting going on. Philosophies were explored. Parents were marketed to and won over.

Where is that?

That actually reads like something someone else wrote. Was thinking it might be SYC, but they limit it to stuff like this:

"All rosters will train together as an integrated Academy, so all players learn the same style of play with the same lexicon, and can be moved from roster to roster freely to create optimal training opportunities."

Still thinking that statement might have been elsewhere, and they're just repeating it.

But I'm confused. I thought our academy-bashing person actually realized that a lot of clubs have gone to this style, and he was just specifically bashing Eddie Lima's academy. So it's still bad even though (A) it's mostly new coaches at VYS and (B) other clubs do it, too?

I would fast from any Club that had that statement. Are they creating robots?

My kids purposely train in many different places and learn many different styles of play from different cultures. Anyone trying to limit soccer education to the same monotonous style of play is bad, just bad.

I will assume you mean "run fast" as opposed to stop eating.

Let's be real, you are using semantics to drive what appears to be a personal agenda. You know as well as anyone else that no one is trying to create "robots". I would guess that any qualified and non-self serving trainer in or outside of VYS would also encourage kids to learn and experience other styles of play. What is clearly meant there is that players can be moved within and amongst age groups to provide other playing opportunities for kids for games or tournaments and be able to succeed as opposed to fail because they are unprepared.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps by making sweeping, self-congratulatory statements like these?

"Youth Academy programs have emerged as the 21st century alternative to the frustrating shortfalls in soccer development displayed by most pre-teens."

Here VYS highlights its wisdom in finding the answer to player development while managing to insult most pre-teens.

Although you don't see Richard Gunney literally acting as a carnival barker at the intersection of Maple and Nutley, there is at least some touting going on. Philosophies were explored. Parents were marketed to and won over.

Where is that?

That actually reads like something someone else wrote. Was thinking it might be SYC, but they limit it to stuff like this:

"All rosters will train together as an integrated Academy, so all players learn the same style of play with the same lexicon, and can be moved from roster to roster freely to create optimal training opportunities."

Still thinking that statement might have been elsewhere, and they're just repeating it.

But I'm confused. I thought our academy-bashing person actually realized that a lot of clubs have gone to this style, and he was just specifically bashing Eddie Lima's academy. So it's still bad even though (A) it's mostly new coaches at VYS and (B) other clubs do it, too?

I would fast from any Club that had that statement. Are they creating robots?

My kids purposely train in many different places and learn many different styles of play from different cultures. Anyone trying to limit soccer education to the same monotonous style of play is bad, just bad.

You must purposely misinterpreting the statement about "all players learning the same style of play with the same lexicon." I would avoid a club that has different coaches teaching different styles of play. Without consistency across all training, a player will be unprepared to play up with a better or older team when the opportunity is offered. Learning the same style of play does not mean they all play like robots. It means that they are all playing a "possession" style, or learning to play wide down the flanks, or learning to play out of the back rather than clearing the ball from the back. Those are styles of play that a good club should try to teach throughout all teams so that kids don't get yelled at by one coach for playing out of the back but praised for doing the same thing by another coach.

[Anonymous]

Regular season is over. Any examples of outrageous parental behavior? My son plays U9 in the NCSL and I thought the parents were great for the most part. Refs not so much, but the parents still showed a lot of restraint.

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Anonymous wrote:Regular season is over. Any examples of outrageous parental behavior? My son plays U9 in the NCSL and I thought the parents were great for the most part. Refs not so much, but the parents still showed a lot of restraint.

I'm also a U9 NCSL parent, and I agree -- I thought the parents were fine.

The coaches, frankly, were a good bit worse than I imagined. Fussing with players, fussing with refs, etc.