Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Anonymous wrote:My grandpa always used to say "big egos have tiny ears".

Love this

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Anonymous wrote:My tween thinks that maybe someone wanted the billionaire dead. He has a point. How can they not know where they are when they have the exact coordinates of the wreck and of where they last were? The submersible sank like a stone in the ocean (literally) from a specific location. Obviously, it is on the ocean floor at or very near to that exact spot.

No, he doesn’t have a point. Has he never heard of ocean currents?

This thing weighs 12 tons and is not buoyant. It would take a pretty major current to displace it THAT much.

Yeah, that's why they launch it from a spot away from the Titanic and not directly on top of it.

You clearly know more than they do. Care to build a submersible?

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Anonymous wrote:The way some posters are reacting, it is a wonder two bicycle shop owners ever took their crazy contraption out to Kill Devil Hills in NC.

None of the people are stupid anymore than those who strive to go to space.

Just because you would never do it, doesn’t mean others shouldn’t!

I hope they rose to the surface and just haven’t been found yet.

These guys weren't inventors. They were tourists.

It's not even like Everest, where people have to train and be fit beyond imagining. These people just wrote a check.

False. They were Mission Specialists.

Without their participation, this scientific venture would not have moved forward.

People in this area claim to be in favor of Science, but when the rubber meets the road, it is all “hurr durr! They were privileged billionaires. Their fee for this trip would have been better spent on Teslas for the unhoused”

What are they discovering that hasn't already been seen/done? Even that submersible vehicle has made multiple previous trips to the Titanic.

Because new discoveries are made all the time. Just like the new information they got from Pompeii this year.

https://amp.theguardian.com/science/2023/mar/04/pompeii-treasures-digs-city-disaster-romans-excavation

Treasures from new digs reveal that Pompeii is far from ‘frozen in time’

Pliny the Younger said the tale of the city’s disaster would live for ever and a new excavation will reveal more about the Romans who lived – and died – there

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Josh Gates, the host of the Expedition Unknown TV show, says he turned down a chance to go on the Titan to the Titanic because he had safety concerns after going on a preparatory dive.

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Anonymous wrote:The way some posters are reacting, it is a wonder two bicycle shop owners ever took their crazy contraption out to Kill Devil Hills in NC.

None of the people are stupid anymore than those who strive to go to space.

Just because you would never do it, doesn’t mean others shouldn’t!

I hope they rose to the surface and just haven’t been found yet.

These guys weren't inventors. They were tourists.

It's not even like Everest, where people have to train and be fit beyond imagining. These people just wrote a check.

False. They were Mission Specialists.

Without their participation, this scientific venture would not have moved forward.

People in this area claim to be in favor of Science, but when the rubber meets the road, it is all “hurr durr! They were privileged billionaires. Their fee for this trip would have been better spent on Teslas for the unhoused”

Do tell what science they were engaging in. Why safety measures on submarines are always a good idea? Mission accomplished. You are an absolute fool if you think science was anything but a thinly veiled guise for what this was really all about: vanity tourism.

Exactly…just like the rich people who pay to be hauled up Everest by sherpas aren’t explorers.

Absolutely. If you’ve ever read Into Thin Air it’s crazy how many of these people didn’t even have the right equipment and seemed not to know what they were doing at all. But then millions of dollars and resources weren’t put into rescue attempts at the summit simply because everyone knew there was no point.

That's what I was thinking, and wondering how is this different? People who climb Everest know that at a certain point high enough on the mountain, you either get yourself down on your own power, or you die. That's just how it is. You can't fly a helicopter up there or carry somebody down. One of the guides on that Everest trip was in radio contact with base camp and his pregnant wife as he froze to death. They all knew help was not on the way. How is this sub different? Don't you know (or do your due diligence before forking over $250k and learn) that if something goes wrong on the ocean floor, there's no saving you?

There is no difference. Which is why it a legitimate question to ask why so much money is being expended trying to do it here.

There is a long long history of international cooperation when it comes to maritime rescues. Even adversaries like Russia and the us will help each other rescue military personnel. Look up “Russian Priz submarine”. As others have said, these search and rescues also serve as practice for some of these agencies, whose sole purpose is to provide search and rescue support for military operations.

Yes, tons of money will be expended, but I don’t think the agencies see it as being completely wasted - it’s also providing real life training. It’s like saying that people who do stupid stunts on skateboards are wasting the time and resources of the emergency doctor. There is truth to that, but it’s also providing an opportunity for doctors to practice their skills, especially for new residents and interns. I would not have gotten proficient at placing central IV lines if so many IV drug users with sclerosed veins had not overdosed and came to the hospital.

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Anonymous wrote:"Mission Specialist" is more BS spin by Stockton Rush.

They were paid tourists, but you call them "Mission Specialists" to stroke their egos and to try to not look like a greedy tour operator.

He reminds me a lot of Elizabeth Holmes.

It goes along with the fake, ill fitting flight suits with their names on them. Just because you call something a name doesn’t mean it is in fact that

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Anonymous wrote:This is a long thread, so I don't know if this is already been mentioned. But the reason that the owner of the vessel was able to cut so many corners was because they were exploring an international waters, so no laws applied. Not US regulations nor any other country's regulation applied to this exploration. The business owner of this venture is a piece of sh!t.

The passengers should have done their due diligence. I am shocked that such wealthy people would have climbed into this tin can. James Cameron has been to the same wreck dozens of times and is still around to tell the tale.

Was it significantly cheaper to get on the Titan or is there a long waiting list for other submersibles? Maybe it’s pretty much impossible to get a seat on one of the known, certified submersibles?

Cameron has his own deep sea exploration company and his own subs. You have a point. I don’t think the others offer commercial tours, probably for very good reasons.

I have been trying to find this answer to the James Cameron stuff. I assume he was on a sub made from the highest standards, and a slew of support to safely do the whole exploration? Were his research trips just of a completely different element?

https://www.businessinsider.com/see-inside-triton-submersibles-submarines-james-cameron-ray-dalio-backed-2023-1

I was wondering the same--what sets Cameron's subs apart from this Oceangate and wow, now that's something I'd paid $250,000 to experience if I had $250k to blow. Those subs look very cool and high tech, plus you get a panoramic view instead of one tiny porthole.

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Anonymous wrote:Watch this documentary about a previous voyage of Titan where the sub had technical difficulties on the bottom. https://vimeo.com/810451492

Edit: starts at 28 mins

This is crazy to watch how they handled being stuck with the thrusters not working.

They were more upset at the idea of not getting to see the Titanic than the idea of being 12,000 feet underwater with a non-working submersible. Interesting psychological study.

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"Brown said he signed up in 2017 to visit the Titanic in the Titan but asked for his deposit back the next year" He canceled his trip in 2018 because it "didn't come across as a professional diving operation."

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/man-signed-board-titan-said-110741910.html

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Anonymous wrote:The way some posters are reacting, it is a wonder two bicycle shop owners ever took their crazy contraption out to Kill Devil Hills in NC.

None of the people are stupid anymore than those who strive to go to space.

Just because you would never do it, doesn’t mean others shouldn’t!

I hope they rose to the surface and just haven’t been found yet.

These guys weren't inventors. They were tourists.

It's not even like Everest, where people have to train and be fit beyond imagining. These people just wrote a check.

False. They were Mission Specialists.

Without their participation, this scientific venture would not have moved forward.

People in this area claim to be in favor of Science, but when the rubber meets the road, it is all “hurr durr! They were privileged billionaires. Their fee for this trip would have been better spent on Teslas for the unhoused”

Do tell what science they were engaging in. Why safety measures on submarines are always a good idea? Mission accomplished. You are an absolute fool if you think science was anything but a thinly veiled guise for what this was really all about: vanity tourism.

Exactly…just like the rich people who pay to be hauled up Everest by sherpas aren’t explorers.

Absolutely. If you’ve ever read Into Thin Air it’s crazy how many of these people didn’t even have the right equipment and seemed not to know what they were doing at all. But then millions of dollars and resources weren’t put into rescue attempts at the summit simply because everyone knew there was no point.

That's a really good point, actually. When someone collapses on Everest everyone just sort of steps over them. It is a little surprising maybe that they're trying so hard here when the situation seems similar, although they aren't as deep as Everest is tall and there's a chance they are closer enough to the surface.

Into Thin Air was a phenomenal book if anyone hasn't read it.

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There are more experts about deep sea diving on this post than there were Facebook virologists during the pandemic. Lots of armchair legion.

Look it up, Cameron had one dive to Titanic lose power/ get stuck for an hour.

He went by himself down to the Marianas Trench and made several discoveries. I mean besides ego why did he go when it already been done?

Why did the Nepalese man climb 14 of the tallest peaks in the world in a year?

As a PP stated earlier, you can research the failures NASA knowingly made in the Challenger and Columbia reports even with all their expert knowledge and redundancies.

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Anonymous wrote:The way some posters are reacting, it is a wonder two bicycle shop owners ever took their crazy contraption out to Kill Devil Hills in NC.

None of the people are stupid anymore than those who strive to go to space.

Just because you would never do it, doesn’t mean others shouldn’t!

I hope they rose to the surface and just haven’t been found yet.

These guys weren't inventors. They were tourists.

It's not even like Everest, where people have to train and be fit beyond imagining. These people just wrote a check.

False. They were Mission Specialists.

Without their participation, this scientific venture would not have moved forward.

People in this area claim to be in favor of Science, but when the rubber meets the road, it is all “hurr durr! They were privileged billionaires. Their fee for this trip would have been better spent on Teslas for the unhoused”

Do tell what science they were engaging in. Why safety measures on submarines are always a good idea? Mission accomplished. You are an absolute fool if you think science was anything but a thinly veiled guise for what this was really all about: vanity tourism.

Exactly…just like the rich people who pay to be hauled up Everest by sherpas aren’t explorers.

Absolutely. If you’ve ever read Into Thin Air it’s crazy how many of these people didn’t even have the right equipment and seemed not to know what they were doing at all. But then millions of dollars and resources weren’t put into rescue attempts at the summit simply because everyone knew there was no point.

That's what I was thinking, and wondering how is this different? People who climb Everest know that at a certain point high enough on the mountain, you either get yourself down on your own power, or you die. That's just how it is. You can't fly a helicopter up there or carry somebody down. One of the guides on that Everest trip was in radio contact with base camp and his pregnant wife as he froze to death. They all knew help was not on the way. How is this sub different? Don't you know (or do your due diligence before forking over $250k and learn) that if something goes wrong on the ocean floor, there's no saving you?

There is no difference. Which is why it a legitimate question to ask why so much money is being expended trying to do it here.

There is a long long history of international cooperation when it comes to maritime rescues. Even adversaries like Russia and the us will help each other rescue military personnel. Look up “Russian Priz submarine”. As others have said, these search and rescues also serve as practice for some of these agencies, whose sole purpose is to provide search and rescue support for military operations.

Yes, tons of money will be expended, but I don’t think the agencies see it as being completely wasted - it’s also providing real life training. It’s like saying that people who do stupid stunts on skateboards are wasting the time and resources of the emergency doctor. There is truth to that, but it’s also providing an opportunity for doctors to practice their skills, especially for new residents and interns. I would not have gotten proficient at placing central IV lines if so many IV drug users with sclerosed veins had not overdosed and came to the hospital.

This is a fair point.

I have read the Coast Guard has reached the ocean floor as of a few hours ago. So who knows what they will find, if anything.

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On a June 11 prep dive, they discovered a leak. I wonder if this was fixed or got worse before the mission dive?

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8JHM22Y

This woman and her boyfriend were onboard for Mission 3 of 5 on May 29-June 6. They did not pay to go down to the Titanic wreckage. They were simply on board to get content for her boyfriend's YT channel. Her boyfriend did get to participate in one prep dive in the sub, though.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8JHhHJN

Both are very interesting videos.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a long thread, so I don't know if this is already been mentioned. But the reason that the owner of the vessel was able to cut so many corners was because they were exploring an international waters, so no laws applied. Not US regulations nor any other country's regulation applied to this exploration. The business owner of this venture is a piece of sh!t.

The passengers should have done their due diligence. I am shocked that such wealthy people would have climbed into this tin can. James Cameron has been to the same wreck dozens of times and is still around to tell the tale.

Was it significantly cheaper to get on the Titan or is there a long waiting list for other submersibles? Maybe it’s pretty much impossible to get a seat on one of the known, certified submersibles?

Cameron has his own deep sea exploration company and his own subs. You have a point. I don’t think the others offer commercial tours, probably for very good reasons.

I have been trying to find this answer to the James Cameron stuff. I assume he was on a sub made from the highest standards, and a slew of support to safely do the whole exploration? Were his research trips just of a completely different element?

https://www.businessinsider.com/see-inside-triton-submersibles-submarines-james-cameron-ray-dalio-backed-2023-1

I was wondering the same--what sets Cameron's subs apart from this Oceangate and wow, now that's something I'd paid $250,000 to experience if I had $250k to blow. Those subs look very cool and high tech, plus you get a panoramic view instead of one tiny porthole.

Cameron’s first dives were made using Russian submersibles. Now money is no object for him so I’d assume he spared no effort in getting the best technology for his diving vehicles. The Titanic is small potatoes to him. Cameron made a successful dive to the bottom of the Mariana Trench that is almost 7 miles deep.

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Saw a clip of company spokesman showing documentation of work with Boeing and U of W. Sounds as if two orgs are lying as they try to distance themselves.