Cops in TX tackle & block desperate parents, while they let shooter rampage thru the school

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Anonymous wrote:Also, report showed locks were often circumvented by staff and doors were often propped open. Administration knew and felt it aided teachers who forgot their keys.

That's the problem with "crying wolf" so many times. It feels like "just another unneeded lockdown."

Border crossers running into/on school property was a huge issue

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Anonymous wrote:Also, report showed locks were often circumvented by staff and doors were often propped open. Administration knew and felt it aided teachers who forgot their keys.

That's the problem with "crying wolf" so many times. It feels like "just another unneeded lockdown."

Border crossers running into/on school property was a huge issue

DP. That contradicts the fact that it was common practice to prop doors open. If it were a huge issue causing legit lockdowns, not just crying wolf, teachers wouldn’t risk propping doors open where someone who entered the country illegally. You can’t expect people to believe that school administrators believed that they were at imminent risk of someone breaking in and doing something that necessitated multiple lockdowns each week, but they also felt safe enough to allow teachers to prop open doors.

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Uvalde is 130 miles from the border at Nuevo Laredo.

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Anonymous wrote:This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

When you realize that you personally might actually die.

And yet we require 18 year olds to register for the selective service. And they could be called up after high school graduation and shipped to a foreign country against their will and handed the same weapons and ordered into the line of fire. And we allow other 18 year olds to commit to being sent to war, no excuses. We expect it of soldiers. And if our Army turns tail and runs, that’s very bad as well. We also expect it of police, many of whom are older and all of whom knew going in this was a possibility.

And here’s something else to think about. Unconscious bias is a powerful thing. If this were a classroom full of UMC white kids, 77 minutes would not have elapsed.

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About your last comment. The political pressure from parents alone would have had cops in the room much quicker if there were UMC white kids. Imagine this happening at a private school? Never would 77 minutes elapse.

That is the most racist thing you could ever say. You know nothing about Uvalde at all.

DP It is not racist to point out racism. If this had happened a Sidwell or Choate do you think the police response would be different- yes. Would the police still be lying about what happened - no. Would meaningful gun restrict be in place- yes.

This isn’t helpful. I’ll go out in a limb and suggest that MPD would have a different response posture for Sidwell than a small, rural town in SW Texas. We know that based on April 22 local and federal response to the Burke shooting. Laying blame for the lack of action at Uvalde on racism strikes me as facile given that many of the responding officers were themselves Latino.

Your response is disingenuous and more like conservatives propaganda full of lies and fake news. 91 law enforcement officers were at the site and did nothing. They were ordered to stand down and wait which is against all SOPs. The small rural SW Texas town had its own swat team and school police force in addition to regular police. They had all the resources, training and personnel need to handle one shooter. We all know what Texas conservatives think of poc and immigrants. The police’s inaction was followed up by a cover up that starts at the highest level of Texas government and is still on going.

This would have been handle differently if the school was Sidwel or similar. You know that but for some reason you wish to spread your lies and disinformation.

Ma’am, this is a Wendy’s, may I take your order?

What the f are you saying? Are you trying to be funny? Here an update for you over 400 law enforcement officers were at the school and did nothing. Every day there is more and more coming out and all you do is spin. I bet you were one of those Sandy Hook deniers. What the f is wrong with you conservatives?You are f in the head.

DP. That’s an older joke. It’s used when people go on rants, especially for unwanted or unrelated topics. I’m rather progressive and I rolled my eyes at that comment too, so get over yourself.

Also, the new report said 376 members of law enforcement. It’s still a lot, so it’s really not necessary to exaggerate to make your case look better. It diminishes your other points when you do that. If you want a dramatic talking point, you could say there were more officers there than there were defending the Alamo. But please do stop accusing other people of spin if you can’t even get your own facts straight.

Nearly 400.

Like I said.

And I personally wouldn’t be sad if every one of them lost their job, and I wish there were charges the ones in charge could face. I don’t know how they’re continuing with life in these small towns where they must see the victims’ families every time they go to the grocery store or church or whatever. I also think pointing out that the punisher phone cop was receiving info that his wife was shot makes him look better than he did before we knew that’s why he was on his phone.

My point was that this story is plenty bad without exaggerating to make it look worse, especially if you’re accusing others of spin.

NP but the fact that the guy was checking his phone is so weird and confusing to me. He was getting messages from his wife that she had been shot and was dying. But then he just continues standing there and puts his phone away? If my spouse texted me that from a nearby room I would immediately run to rescue them or help them. I find that story hard to believe, but there have been lots of lies and cowardly behavior by these cops.

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Anonymous wrote:This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

When you realize that you personally might actually die.

And yet we require 18 year olds to register for the selective service. And they could be called up after high school graduation and shipped to a foreign country against their will and handed the same weapons and ordered into the line of fire. And we allow other 18 year olds to commit to being sent to war, no excuses. We expect it of soldiers. And if our Army turns tail and runs, that’s very bad as well. We also expect it of police, many of whom are older and all of whom knew going in this was a possibility.

And here’s something else to think about. Unconscious bias is a powerful thing. If this were a classroom full of UMC white kids, 77 minutes would not have elapsed.

+1

About your last comment. The political pressure from parents alone would have had cops in the room much quicker if there were UMC white kids. Imagine this happening at a private school? Never would 77 minutes elapse.

That is the most racist thing you could ever say. You know nothing about Uvalde at all.

DP It is not racist to point out racism. If this had happened a Sidwell or Choate do you think the police response would be different- yes. Would the police still be lying about what happened - no. Would meaningful gun restrict be in place- yes.

This isn’t helpful. I’ll go out in a limb and suggest that MPD would have a different response posture for Sidwell than a small, rural town in SW Texas. We know that based on April 22 local and federal response to the Burke shooting. Laying blame for the lack of action at Uvalde on racism strikes me as facile given that many of the responding officers were themselves Latino.

Your response is disingenuous and more like conservatives propaganda full of lies and fake news. 91 law enforcement officers were at the site and did nothing. They were ordered to stand down and wait which is against all SOPs. The small rural SW Texas town had its own swat team and school police force in addition to regular police. They had all the resources, training and personnel need to handle one shooter. We all know what Texas conservatives think of poc and immigrants. The police’s inaction was followed up by a cover up that starts at the highest level of Texas government and is still on going.

This would have been handle differently if the school was Sidwel or similar. You know that but for some reason you wish to spread your lies and disinformation.

Ma’am, this is a Wendy’s, may I take your order?

What the f are you saying? Are you trying to be funny? Here an update for you over 400 law enforcement officers were at the school and did nothing. Every day there is more and more coming out and all you do is spin. I bet you were one of those Sandy Hook deniers. What the f is wrong with you conservatives?You are f in the head.

DP. That’s an older joke. It’s used when people go on rants, especially for unwanted or unrelated topics. I’m rather progressive and I rolled my eyes at that comment too, so get over yourself.

Also, the new report said 376 members of law enforcement. It’s still a lot, so it’s really not necessary to exaggerate to make your case look better. It diminishes your other points when you do that. If you want a dramatic talking point, you could say there were more officers there than there were defending the Alamo. But please do stop accusing other people of spin if you can’t even get your own facts straight.

Nearly 400.

Like I said.

And I personally wouldn’t be sad if every one of them lost their job, and I wish there were charges the ones in charge could face. I don’t know how they’re continuing with life in these small towns where they must see the victims’ families every time they go to the grocery store or church or whatever. I also think pointing out that the punisher phone cop was receiving info that his wife was shot makes him look better than he did before we knew that’s why he was on his phone.

My point was that this story is plenty bad without exaggerating to make it look worse, especially if you’re accusing others of spin.

NP but the fact that the guy was checking his phone is so weird and confusing to me. He was getting messages from his wife that she had been shot and was dying. But then he just continues standing there and puts his phone away? If my spouse texted me that from a nearby room I would immediately run to rescue them or help them. I find that story hard to believe, but there have been lots of lies and cowardly behavior by these cops.

There was a closed door between him and the shooter. Don’t forget that. I mean, he had his phone in one hand, his gun in the other. How was he supposed to open the door to get to her or the shooter? He’s a police officer, not a super hero.

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Anonymous wrote:This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

When you realize that you personally might actually die.

And yet we require 18 year olds to register for the selective service. And they could be called up after high school graduation and shipped to a foreign country against their will and handed the same weapons and ordered into the line of fire. And we allow other 18 year olds to commit to being sent to war, no excuses. We expect it of soldiers. And if our Army turns tail and runs, that’s very bad as well. We also expect it of police, many of whom are older and all of whom knew going in this was a possibility.

And here’s something else to think about. Unconscious bias is a powerful thing. If this were a classroom full of UMC white kids, 77 minutes would not have elapsed.

+1

About your last comment. The political pressure from parents alone would have had cops in the room much quicker if there were UMC white kids. Imagine this happening at a private school? Never would 77 minutes elapse.

That is the most racist thing you could ever say. You know nothing about Uvalde at all.

DP It is not racist to point out racism. If this had happened a Sidwell or Choate do you think the police response would be different- yes. Would the police still be lying about what happened - no. Would meaningful gun restrict be in place- yes.

This isn’t helpful. I’ll go out in a limb and suggest that MPD would have a different response posture for Sidwell than a small, rural town in SW Texas. We know that based on April 22 local and federal response to the Burke shooting. Laying blame for the lack of action at Uvalde on racism strikes me as facile given that many of the responding officers were themselves Latino.

Your response is disingenuous and more like conservatives propaganda full of lies and fake news. 91 law enforcement officers were at the site and did nothing. They were ordered to stand down and wait which is against all SOPs. The small rural SW Texas town had its own swat team and school police force in addition to regular police. They had all the resources, training and personnel need to handle one shooter. We all know what Texas conservatives think of poc and immigrants. The police’s inaction was followed up by a cover up that starts at the highest level of Texas government and is still on going.

This would have been handle differently if the school was Sidwel or similar. You know that but for some reason you wish to spread your lies and disinformation.

Ma’am, this is a Wendy’s, may I take your order?

What the f are you saying? Are you trying to be funny? Here an update for you over 400 law enforcement officers were at the school and did nothing. Every day there is more and more coming out and all you do is spin. I bet you were one of those Sandy Hook deniers. What the f is wrong with you conservatives?You are f in the head.

DP. That’s an older joke. It’s used when people go on rants, especially for unwanted or unrelated topics. I’m rather progressive and I rolled my eyes at that comment too, so get over yourself.

Also, the new report said 376 members of law enforcement. It’s still a lot, so it’s really not necessary to exaggerate to make your case look better. It diminishes your other points when you do that. If you want a dramatic talking point, you could say there were more officers there than there were defending the Alamo. But please do stop accusing other people of spin if you can’t even get your own facts straight.

Nearly 400.

Like I said.

And I personally wouldn’t be sad if every one of them lost their job, and I wish there were charges the ones in charge could face. I don’t know how they’re continuing with life in these small towns where they must see the victims’ families every time they go to the grocery store or church or whatever. I also think pointing out that the punisher phone cop was receiving info that his wife was shot makes him look better than he did before we knew that’s why he was on his phone.

My point was that this story is plenty bad without exaggerating to make it look worse, especially if you’re accusing others of spin.

NP but the fact that the guy was checking his phone is so weird and confusing to me. He was getting messages from his wife that she had been shot and was dying. But then he just continues standing there and puts his phone away? If my spouse texted me that from a nearby room I would immediately run to rescue them or help them. I find that story hard to believe, but there have been lots of lies and cowardly behavior by these cops.

There was a closed door between him and the shooter. Don’t forget that. I mean, he had his phone in one hand, his gun in the other. How was he supposed to open the door to get to her or the shooter? He’s a police officer, not a super hero.

Is this sarcasm?

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NP. Yes!

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Anonymous wrote:This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

When you realize that you personally might actually die.

And yet we require 18 year olds to register for the selective service. And they could be called up after high school graduation and shipped to a foreign country against their will and handed the same weapons and ordered into the line of fire. And we allow other 18 year olds to commit to being sent to war, no excuses. We expect it of soldiers. And if our Army turns tail and runs, that’s very bad as well. We also expect it of police, many of whom are older and all of whom knew going in this was a possibility.

And here’s something else to think about. Unconscious bias is a powerful thing. If this were a classroom full of UMC white kids, 77 minutes would not have elapsed.

+1

About your last comment. The political pressure from parents alone would have had cops in the room much quicker if there were UMC white kids. Imagine this happening at a private school? Never would 77 minutes elapse.

That is the most racist thing you could ever say. You know nothing about Uvalde at all.

DP It is not racist to point out racism. If this had happened a Sidwell or Choate do you think the police response would be different- yes. Would the police still be lying about what happened - no. Would meaningful gun restrict be in place- yes.

This isn’t helpful. I’ll go out in a limb and suggest that MPD would have a different response posture for Sidwell than a small, rural town in SW Texas. We know that based on April 22 local and federal response to the Burke shooting. Laying blame for the lack of action at Uvalde on racism strikes me as facile given that many of the responding officers were themselves Latino.

Your response is disingenuous and more like conservatives propaganda full of lies and fake news. 91 law enforcement officers were at the site and did nothing. They were ordered to stand down and wait which is against all SOPs. The small rural SW Texas town had its own swat team and school police force in addition to regular police. They had all the resources, training and personnel need to handle one shooter. We all know what Texas conservatives think of poc and immigrants. The police’s inaction was followed up by a cover up that starts at the highest level of Texas government and is still on going.

This would have been handle differently if the school was Sidwel or similar. You know that but for some reason you wish to spread your lies and disinformation.

Ma’am, this is a Wendy’s, may I take your order?

What the f are you saying? Are you trying to be funny? Here an update for you over 400 law enforcement officers were at the school and did nothing. Every day there is more and more coming out and all you do is spin. I bet you were one of those Sandy Hook deniers. What the f is wrong with you conservatives?You are f in the head.

DP. That’s an older joke. It’s used when people go on rants, especially for unwanted or unrelated topics. I’m rather progressive and I rolled my eyes at that comment too, so get over yourself.

Also, the new report said 376 members of law enforcement. It’s still a lot, so it’s really not necessary to exaggerate to make your case look better. It diminishes your other points when you do that. If you want a dramatic talking point, you could say there were more officers there than there were defending the Alamo. But please do stop accusing other people of spin if you can’t even get your own facts straight.

Nearly 400.

Like I said.

And I personally wouldn’t be sad if every one of them lost their job, and I wish there were charges the ones in charge could face. I don’t know how they’re continuing with life in these small towns where they must see the victims’ families every time they go to the grocery store or church or whatever. I also think pointing out that the punisher phone cop was receiving info that his wife was shot makes him look better than he did before we knew that’s why he was on his phone.

My point was that this story is plenty bad without exaggerating to make it look worse, especially if you’re accusing others of spin.

NP but the fact that the guy was checking his phone is so weird and confusing to me. He was getting messages from his wife that she had been shot and was dying. But then he just continues standing there and puts his phone away? If my spouse texted me that from a nearby room I would immediately run to rescue them or help them. I find that story hard to believe, but there have been lots of lies and cowardly behavior by these cops.

There was a closed door between him and the shooter. Don’t forget that. I mean, he had his phone in one hand, his gun in the other. How was he supposed to open the door to get to her or the shooter? He’s a police officer, not a super hero.

Is this sarcasm?

Sarcasm, stating facts, amazement at the power closed doors have over police who want to save their spouses and defenseless children… it’s all the same these days.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, report showed locks were often circumvented by staff and doors were often propped open. Administration knew and felt it aided teachers who forgot their keys.

That's the problem with "crying wolf" so many times. It feels like "just another unneeded lockdown."

Border crossers running into/on school property was a huge issue

DP. That contradicts the fact that it was common practice to prop doors open. If it were a huge issue causing legit lockdowns, not just crying wolf, teachers wouldn’t risk propping doors open where someone who entered the country illegally. You can’t expect people to believe that school administrators believed that they were at imminent risk of someone breaking in and doing something that necessitated multiple lockdowns each week, but they also felt safe enough to allow teachers to prop open doors.

The administration was the one who stated they were fine with the locks being deliberately bypassed and doors propped open because it was easier for teachers. The records show how often the school was locked down. There is no disputing these two facts in the report. The administrators might not, despite all this, have felt the students or themselves were at risk, nor apparently did the teachers. Unfortunately, they were quite wrong. How people FEEL is not important; what IS important is adhering to safety regulations.

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Anonymous wrote:Uvalde is 130 miles from the border at Nuevo Laredo.

It's on a direct path that smugglers take. What would happen is during interceptions is the illegals being transported into town would scatter.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, report showed locks were often circumvented by staff and doors were often propped open. Administration knew and felt it aided teachers who forgot their keys.

That's the problem with "crying wolf" so many times. It feels like "just another unneeded lockdown."

Border crossers running into/on school property was a huge issue

DP. That contradicts the fact that it was common practice to prop doors open. If it were a huge issue causing legit lockdowns, not just crying wolf, teachers wouldn’t risk propping doors open where someone who entered the country illegally. You can’t expect people to believe that school administrators believed that they were at imminent risk of someone breaking in and doing something that necessitated multiple lockdowns each week, but they also felt safe enough to allow teachers to prop open doors.

The administration was the one who stated they were fine with the locks being deliberately bypassed and doors propped open because it was easier for teachers. The records show how often the school was locked down. There is no disputing these two facts in the report. The administrators might not, despite all this, have felt the students or themselves were at risk, nor apparently did the teachers. Unfortunately, they were quite wrong. How people FEEL is not important; what IS important is adhering to safety regulations.

I’m not saying they didn’t happen. I’m saying the lockdown system was abused and people became numb to it. If your workplace locked down because of possible intruders multiple times a week, would your boss be ok with you propping open the door the rest of the time because Susie in accounting keeps forgetting her keys? Or would you think the lockdowns are maybe being overused? There’s a disconnect somewhere. It doesn’t make sense.

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It’s almost like they didn’t realize there were children at risk, as though the shooter was in the room alone. It might be unfair to judge from a 4 minute clip (but considering we have over an hour to work with I’m okay with seeming judgmental), but they seem extremely unprepared, untrained, unorganized, and unintelligent. I mean they’re still figuring out that the rooms connect and if there are other exits. Seeing them in action, I’m a little surprised only 21 lives were lost.