CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:South Korea is doing this right, testing a huge % of their population which allows for affected people to quarantine and slow the spread. I for the life of me can’t understand why we do not have the capacity to do this in the US.

because our ability to make and organize things has been hollowed out.

[Anonymous]

At this point, I think we need something closer to the Italy method:

Everybody cut EVERYTHING out that is nonessential. You have to keep some business functioning, but you make it that people only leave their houses once every day for service jobs that can be isolated and once a week for most people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At this point, I think we need something closer to the Italy method:

Everybody cut EVERYTHING out that is nonessential. You have to keep some business functioning, but you make it that people only leave their houses once every day for service jobs that can be isolated and once a week for most people.

That will never happen. Last week Pence was saying to keep working if you’re sick. I doubt the US will do much of anything. The disease will burn across the nation like a wildfire where we are the dry kindling (no immunity). There are no cost steps that can be taken right now and they are doing the opposite (telling people to keep working if sick).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:South Korea is doing this right, testing a huge % of their population which allows for affected people to quarantine and slow the spread. I for the life of me can’t understand why we do not have the capacity to do this in the US.

We traded away our expertise for loyalty.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, how scared should I be right now? What is the likelihood that I will get this virus? What is the likelihood that I will die?

High. You are stressing. This puts you in the highest risk
Just kidding. Depends how old are you, what other health issues do you have and how overworked and sleep depraved are you. All factors.
In theory 3.4 people die in. 100. In practice this changes up or down depending on the contributing factor.

If you are 22 female, non smoking, no known health issues, well rested and athletic, you are i n low risk group.

If you are a 69 male, smoker, overweight, with high blood pressure, congestive heart failure, diabetes and you drink to the point of liver damage, and your kidneys require dialysis, then stay home tape the door and pray.

This hasn't been how it is playing out in other countries. It sounds reasonable but it's not totally accurate.

The vast majority of people who have died and also needed critical care do fall into the latter category. IT doesn't mean the virus hasn't made younger people sick but virtually all of them recover. The average age of death in Italy is 81 as a reference point. It is something useful to know because the biggest thing I'm taking away from this pandemic is to stay away from old people.

That’s all fine, unless you’re the one responsible for caring for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yet they are closing universities and going completely online. Just seems odd that they're not closing anything else.

Universities tend to be led by highly educated people capable of looking at problems holistically. They have to consider individual health, public health, economic damage, civil unrest, and damage to reputation. They listen to experts and other stakeholders such as students. Closing also protects a cadre of people who can work on resolving the outbreak and repairing problems afterwards. Universities have survived plagues and wars for a reason.

+1
Universities have closed at times like this for centuries. Isaac Newton was sent home from Oxford when they closed due to a plague outbreak.

[Anonymous]

HEAD OF CDC just specifically said travelers are coming back with it an seeding their communities. He said it to congress just now at least three times.

IGNORE!! IGNORE!! IT WON'T HAPPEN TO MEEEEEE

Also called out the fact that 'travelers come home and go to nursing homes, seeding that population and that's what's filling hospitals in Washington and WILL fill them elsewhere

[Anonymous]

Head of CDC is quite clear that this is coming into communities due to international travel and now the airlines/planes are a problem.

[Anonymous]

Anyone else concerned that we haven't been able to confirm cases in all of Michigan (!), Miami, New Orleans, etc.? WTF? At this point, the absence of detection points to massive failure more than reassurance, right?

[Anonymous]

Haven’t read all 90+ pages but has someone posted this link already? It says that “mild cases” means cases that usually lasted on average 2 weeks or caused “mild pneumonia”. For all those saying this is just a cold, when is the last time a cold gave you mild pneumonia or made you sick for 2 weeks?


https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fbt49e/the_who_sent_25_international_experts_to_china/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else concerned that we haven't been able to confirm cases in all of Michigan (!), Miami, New Orleans, etc.? WTF? At this point, the absence of detection points to massive failure more than reassurance, right?

Yes that is in no way reassuring to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else concerned that we haven't been able to confirm cases in all of Michigan (!), Miami, New Orleans, etc.? WTF? At this point, the absence of detection points to massive failure more than reassurance, right?

Do all states have tests now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else concerned that we haven't been able to confirm cases in all of Michigan (!), Miami, New Orleans, etc.? WTF? At this point, the absence of detection points to massive failure more than reassurance, right?

Do all states have tests now?

Having tests is insufficient. You need to either test everybody regularly or everybody who has any symptoms at all.

[Anonymous]

Connor Reed, a 25 year old British guy who teaches English in Wuhan had symptoms starting on November 25th. That means he was infected before that. He wasn't given confirmation that what he had been sick with was COVID 19 until January 16th.

Obviously he wasn't patient zero and so there were other circulating cases in November. Travel restrictions weren't put in place until late January in China. So for at least two months, people from Wuhan who had either been infected or in close contact with those infected would have been traveling and circulating with others who were traveling as normal.

I wonder if there are different strains of the virus and some are more infectious than others. It seems Italy and Iran and South Korea have been hit the hardest. You would expect that what happened there would have already happened in other places as well but it hasn't to date. Why did it grow so quickly in those three places but no where else? With international travel, the virus would have been brought to most countries at the same time. Everywhere else has cases or very small clusters (like the Washington LTC) but there hasn't been a massive outbreak despite little being done in many places to prevent it. And given the 20% hospitalization rate and the obvious visibility of it when an explosion happens, there is no way the same strain has just been circulating unnoticed. If you look at Italy, this isn't something that can go unnoticed.

It isn't clear why a few places have been hit much harder. That is why I wonder if there are different strains and some are more infectious than others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Connor Reed, a 25 year old British guy who teaches English in Wuhan had symptoms starting on November 25th. That means he was infected before that. He wasn't given confirmation that what he had been sick with was COVID 19 until January 16th.

Obviously he wasn't patient zero and so there were other circulating cases in November. Travel restrictions weren't put in place until late January in China. So for at least two months, people from Wuhan who had either been infected or in close contact with those infected would have been traveling and circulating with others who were traveling as normal.

I wonder if there are different strains of the virus and some are more infectious than others. It seems Italy and Iran and South Korea have been hit the hardest. You would expect that what happened there would have already happened in other places as well but it hasn't to date. Why did it grow so quickly in those three places but no where else? With international travel, the virus would have been brought to most countries at the same time. Everywhere else has cases or very small clusters (like the Washington LTC) but there hasn't been a massive outbreak despite little being done in many places to prevent it. And given the 20% hospitalization rate and the obvious visibility of it when an explosion happens, there is no way the same strain has just been circulating unnoticed. If you look at Italy, this isn't something that can go unnoticed.

It isn't clear why a few places have been hit much harder. That is why I wonder if there are different strains and some are more infectious than others.

There are S and L types of this virus. It is not clear whether one is more severe. It is also not confirmed that Conner's initial symptoms were this virus or another. He had a 2-day period of being fine before the clearly coronavirus-related symptoms. He could have had two infections.