Taylor's Swift's new album - let's GOOOOO

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It always the “but mah free speech” people who can’t handle it when THEY receive criticism. It’s all just about them.

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Anonymous wrote:If you spend time taking and posting about how much you don’t like TS, she wrote a song for you: “Actually Romantic”

Yes, yes, we have all heard this before. Likely put out there by Tree for you all to lap up and repeat.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I’m not even familiar with half her music. I’d miserably fail any trivia game about her music or her life.

But I know mean girls and bullies when I see them. Healthy, mature adults don’t spend any time talking about, thinking about, or learning about things and people I don’t like or think are awful.

You don’t like her because she sees you too.

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The haters' obsession with her is a classic example of mean girls and bullies. They know every intimate detail of her life (or at least, they think they do) yet they claim they can't stand her. They actually obsessed.

Taylor goes through friends faster than toilet paper.

She wants people to know every intimate detail because she appeared on talk shows daily, shared Instagram posts about her engagement, and has arranged pap walks.

If she wants to hide, she can hide. She chooses not to do that. Plenty of other billionaire celebs can lay low when they want. TS craves the attention and has her PR machine put the stories she wants out there.

I'm not a hater but I don't worship her like you do.

What a leap to assume that people who question your weird, miserable hobby “worship” her.

I never liked metal music growing up. So you know what I did? I didn’t listen to it. I sure as hell didn’t seek out opportunities to tell people how bad I thought was or how much I disliked the artists (whose names and lyrics I also didn’t know btw). THAT’S normal.

Do you think it makes you sound cool? Do you feel superior? What’s missing from your life that you need this?

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The haters know FAR more about her than I ever will. It’s unsettling, to put it mildly.

I kind of love it that the new Swiftie badge of honor is to know nothing about her. Progress!!! AND not all the reviews/articles of her were glowing. Gives me hope that maybe free speech will prevail and the power of internet fandom cults may be waning.

Free speech? Absurd. Free speech is about the government.

You are free to express your opinions online and other people are free to tell you you’re acting weird.

Yes, but, free speech is also about controlling what others are saying. For example, issuing death threats to journalists who write bad reviews (Swifties have done this) and using lawyers to silence critics.

https://www.aclunc.org/news/taylor-swift-attempts-silence-critic-aclu-fires-back

So yes, I do think people backing away from Swift and Swiftie culture shows cracks in the way internet fandoms wield power online. I do also think, this may come from watching Trump’s internet fandom and policies take shape in the real world, not just online.

Gosh, I dunno - accusing someone of being a "white supremacist" (with zero evidence, of course) sure seems like a defamation case to me. Who's intimidating who here?

It was an opinion article on a blog. Taylor’s team, dropped their suit after the aclu got involved. It never stated she was a white supremacist. More that white supremacists are using her songs lyrics to promote their cause and that her promotion of white girl victimhood upholds long standing white power structure.Here is a quote:

“Kanye upstaging Taylor in that moment not only gave that narrative merit in a lot of people’s eyes, it also looked like the personification of many a long-standing white fear: a black man taking away a white woman’s power. And Taylor has been playing off that narrative ever since, while America has embraced the notion of white victimhood —


It is clear her message of being white, pretty, and consequence-free is one that many in America have embraced. And like the quiet support that Trump received to the surprise of polls, Democrats, and the world, Taylor is giving support to the white nationalist movements through lyrics that speak to their anger, entitlement, and selfishness.”

You may not be able to process this and may push it away labeling it bizarre or weird or whatever term you choose to use. But in the America I believe in, that blogger had a right to state her opinion. Taylor and her team tried to scare her into silence.

I’m sorry, someone actually thought a deranged bipolar man interrupting a 17-year-old at a music awards ceremony, taking her award and saying someone else should get it, stirred up a primal fear of a black man taking away white women’s power?

I’m so sick of utter morons having hot takes on things.

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Louder for the utter morons in the back.

You don’t have to agree with the ideas. I posted the blog and think it is a looong stretch by the author.

That said, that “moron” author still has a right to say those things without receiving threats.

Just as reporters have a right to give a bad review of Taylor without their families receiving death threats.

You are falling for the oldest trick in the book and having a knee jerk reaction to the blog.

Being a billionaire should not make you impervious to criticism.

I guess I simply don't care if some psycho "fans" are sick enough to make death threats - and frankly, I don't even believe that claim. Taylor Swift has nothing to do with people's psychoses (including yours).

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Anonymous wrote:If you spend time taking and posting about how much you don’t like TS, she wrote a song for you: “Actually Romantic”

Yes, yes, we have all heard this before. Likely put out there by Tree for you all to lap up and repeat.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I’m not even familiar with half her music. I’d miserably fail any trivia game about her music or her life.

But I know mean girls and bullies when I see them. Healthy, mature adults don’t spend any time talking about, thinking about, or learning about things and people I don’t like or think are awful.

You don’t like her because she sees you too.

+1
The haters' obsession with her is a classic example of mean girls and bullies. They know every intimate detail of her life (or at least, they think they do) yet they claim they can't stand her. They actually obsessed.

Taylor goes through friends faster than toilet paper.

She wants people to know every intimate detail because she appeared on talk shows daily, shared Instagram posts about her engagement, and has arranged pap walks.

If she wants to hide, she can hide. She chooses not to do that. Plenty of other billionaire celebs can lay low when they want. TS craves the attention and has her PR machine put the stories she wants out there.

I'm not a hater but I don't worship her like you do.

What a leap to assume that people who question your weird, miserable hobby “worship” her.

I never liked metal music growing up. So you know what I did? I didn’t listen to it. I sure as hell didn’t seek out opportunities to tell people how bad I thought was or how much I disliked the artists (whose names and lyrics I also didn’t know btw). THAT’S normal.

Do you think it makes you sound cool? Do you feel superior? What’s missing from your life that you need this?

+100
The haters know FAR more about her than I ever will. It’s unsettling, to put it mildly.

I kind of love it that the new Swiftie badge of honor is to know nothing about her. Progress!!! AND not all the reviews/articles of her were glowing. Gives me hope that maybe free speech will prevail and the power of internet fandom cults may be waning.

Free speech? Absurd. Free speech is about the government.

You are free to express your opinions online and other people are free to tell you you’re acting weird.

Yes, but, free speech is also about controlling what others are saying. For example, issuing death threats to journalists who write bad reviews (Swifties have done this) and using lawyers to silence critics.

https://www.aclunc.org/news/taylor-swift-attempts-silence-critic-aclu-fires-back

So yes, I do think people backing away from Swift and Swiftie culture shows cracks in the way internet fandoms wield power online. I do also think, this may come from watching Trump’s internet fandom and policies take shape in the real world, not just online.

Gosh, I dunno - accusing someone of being a "white supremacist" (with zero evidence, of course) sure seems like a defamation case to me. Who's intimidating who here?

It was an opinion article on a blog. Taylor’s team, dropped their suit after the aclu got involved. It never stated she was a white supremacist. More that white supremacists are using her songs lyrics to promote their cause and that her promotion of white girl victimhood upholds long standing white power structure.Here is a quote:

“Kanye upstaging Taylor in that moment not only gave that narrative merit in a lot of people’s eyes, it also looked like the personification of many a long-standing white fear: a black man taking away a white woman’s power. And Taylor has been playing off that narrative ever since, while America has embraced the notion of white victimhood —


It is clear her message of being white, pretty, and consequence-free is one that many in America have embraced. And like the quiet support that Trump received to the surprise of polls, Democrats, and the world, Taylor is giving support to the white nationalist movements through lyrics that speak to their anger, entitlement, and selfishness.”

You may not be able to process this and may push it away labeling it bizarre or weird or whatever term you choose to use. But in the America I believe in, that blogger had a right to state her opinion. Taylor and her team tried to scare her into silence.

I’m sorry, someone actually thought a deranged bipolar man interrupting a 17-year-old at a music awards ceremony, taking her award and saying someone else should get it, stirred up a primal fear of a black man taking away white women’s power?

I’m so sick of utter morons having hot takes on things.

+ a million
Louder for the utter morons in the back.

You don’t have to agree with the ideas. I posted the blog and think it is a looong stretch by the author.

That said, that “moron” author still has a right to say those things without receiving threats.

Just as reporters have a right to give a bad review of Taylor without their families receiving death threats.

You are falling for the oldest trick in the book and having a knee jerk reaction to the blog.

Being a billionaire should not make you impervious to criticism.

DP. Criticism is fine. Saying white women fear black men because Kanye is an idiot is not criticism. It’s just silly and racist. It also has nothing to do with Taylor Swift.

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Precisely. Most of this has zero to actually do with her and is just the usual projection/racism/idiocy from certain people who can't stand her. Why? Because she's pretty, blonde, and white. That's very much a *them* issue.

[Anonymous]

How do we feel about Travis' ex making a music video set to Toni Braxton's "Not Man Enough" that was clearly aimed at Taylor.

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Anonymous wrote:How do we feel about Travis' ex making a music video set to Toni Braxton's "Not Man Enough" that was clearly aimed at Taylor.

It's sad to try and stay relevant through an ex and bashing said ex. It's like Gerry the old bachelor bashing Theresa. Move on.

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Anonymous wrote:How do we feel about Travis' ex making a music video set to Toni Braxton's "Not Man Enough" that was clearly aimed at Taylor.

Sad.

Taylor didn’t take a dig at her. The song was about their individual journeys to get to each other and why they feel like they’re a match.

Everything I’ve heard about his ex makes me think she desperately seeks attention. Nothing she’s done lately makes her look good. But our society reward narcissism so she’ll probably get what she wants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do we feel about Travis' ex making a music video set to Toni Braxton's "Not Man Enough" that was clearly aimed at Taylor.

Sad.

Taylor didn’t take a dig at her. The song was about their individual journeys to get to each other and why they feel like they’re a match.

Everything I’ve heard about his ex makes me think she desperately seeks attention. Nothing she’s done lately makes her look good. But our society reward narcissism so she’ll probably get what she wants.

Correct.

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Anonymous wrote:If you spend time taking and posting about how much you don’t like TS, she wrote a song for you: “Actually Romantic”

Yes, yes, we have all heard this before. Likely put out there by Tree for you all to lap up and repeat.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I’m not even familiar with half her music. I’d miserably fail any trivia game about her music or her life.

But I know mean girls and bullies when I see them. Healthy, mature adults don’t spend any time talking about, thinking about, or learning about things and people I don’t like or think are awful.

You don’t like her because she sees you too.

+1
The haters' obsession with her is a classic example of mean girls and bullies. They know every intimate detail of her life (or at least, they think they do) yet they claim they can't stand her. They actually obsessed.

Taylor goes through friends faster than toilet paper.

She wants people to know every intimate detail because she appeared on talk shows daily, shared Instagram posts about her engagement, and has arranged pap walks.

If she wants to hide, she can hide. She chooses not to do that. Plenty of other billionaire celebs can lay low when they want. TS craves the attention and has her PR machine put the stories she wants out there.

I'm not a hater but I don't worship her like you do.

What a leap to assume that people who question your weird, miserable hobby “worship” her.

I never liked metal music growing up. So you know what I did? I didn’t listen to it. I sure as hell didn’t seek out opportunities to tell people how bad I thought was or how much I disliked the artists (whose names and lyrics I also didn’t know btw). THAT’S normal.

Do you think it makes you sound cool? Do you feel superior? What’s missing from your life that you need this?

+100
The haters know FAR more about her than I ever will. It’s unsettling, to put it mildly.

I kind of love it that the new Swiftie badge of honor is to know nothing about her. Progress!!! AND not all the reviews/articles of her were glowing. Gives me hope that maybe free speech will prevail and the power of internet fandom cults may be waning.

Free speech? Absurd. Free speech is about the government.

You are free to express your opinions online and other people are free to tell you you’re acting weird.

Yes, but, free speech is also about controlling what others are saying. For example, issuing death threats to journalists who write bad reviews (Swifties have done this) and using lawyers to silence critics.

https://www.aclunc.org/news/taylor-swift-attempts-silence-critic-aclu-fires-back

So yes, I do think people backing away from Swift and Swiftie culture shows cracks in the way internet fandoms wield power online. I do also think, this may come from watching Trump’s internet fandom and policies take shape in the real world, not just online.

Gosh, I dunno - accusing someone of being a "white supremacist" (with zero evidence, of course) sure seems like a defamation case to me. Who's intimidating who here?

It was an opinion article on a blog. Taylor’s team, dropped their suit after the aclu got involved. It never stated she was a white supremacist. More that white supremacists are using her songs lyrics to promote their cause and that her promotion of white girl victimhood upholds long standing white power structure.Here is a quote:

“Kanye upstaging Taylor in that moment not only gave that narrative merit in a lot of people’s eyes, it also looked like the personification of many a long-standing white fear: a black man taking away a white woman’s power. And Taylor has been playing off that narrative ever since, while America has embraced the notion of white victimhood —


It is clear her message of being white, pretty, and consequence-free is one that many in America have embraced. And like the quiet support that Trump received to the surprise of polls, Democrats, and the world, Taylor is giving support to the white nationalist movements through lyrics that speak to their anger, entitlement, and selfishness.”

You may not be able to process this and may push it away labeling it bizarre or weird or whatever term you choose to use. But in the America I believe in, that blogger had a right to state her opinion. Taylor and her team tried to scare her into silence.

I’m sorry, someone actually thought a deranged bipolar man interrupting a 17-year-old at a music awards ceremony, taking her award and saying someone else should get it, stirred up a primal fear of a black man taking away white women’s power?

I’m so sick of utter morons having hot takes on things.

+ a million
Louder for the utter morons in the back.

You don’t have to agree with the ideas. I posted the blog and think it is a looong stretch by the author.

That said, that “moron” author still has a right to say those things without receiving threats.

Just as reporters have a right to give a bad review of Taylor without their families receiving death threats.

You are falling for the oldest trick in the book and having a knee jerk reaction to the blog.

Being a billionaire should not make you impervious to criticism.

I guess I simply don't care if some psycho "fans" are sick enough to make death threats - and frankly, I don't even believe that claim. Taylor Swift has nothing to do with people's psychoses (including yours).

Maybe this will help you “believe the claim”. If you want to attack the press, say journalists are spreading lies when they are paid to be credible, you are free to do so, but know who you sound like.

Business inside reporter

https://www.businessinsider.com/harassment-taylor-swift-fan-base-worse-than-far-right-hate-2023-6

Reporter from Paste.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/taylor-swift-remains-silent-as-fans-doxx-and-harass-music-critic-over-folkore-review/?ref=home

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do we feel about Travis' ex making a music video set to Toni Braxton's "Not Man Enough" that was clearly aimed at Taylor.

This was already discussed. The consensus was that it was cringeworthy and embarrassing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do we feel about Travis' ex making a music video set to Toni Braxton's "Not Man Enough" that was clearly aimed at Taylor.

This was already discussed. The consensus was that it was cringeworthy and embarrassing.

Can’t be any worse than Taylor’s “dancing” on stage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do we feel about Travis' ex making a music video set to Toni Braxton's "Not Man Enough" that was clearly aimed at Taylor.

1. I forgot what an absolute banger Toni Braxton’s He Wasn’t Man Enough is. Brings me back to freshman year of college.

2. I highly doubt Kayla cares about Travis Kelce.

3. In that same vein, I doubt Travis Kelce cares about Kayla. Seems like he’s much happier with Taylor Swift.

4. I doubt Taylor Swift thinks about Kayla at all. I think the “she was in her phone” line was a reference to Travis’ relationship history, but not a diss. Just like if someone asks me why it didn’t work out between my DH and his ex and I give them a reason, I’m not “dissing” the ex. I don’t care about the exes.

5. Kayla looked amazing and the clip was well executed. She’s a great dancer.

6. Taylor including that one line about Kayla being into her phone was a huge gift to Kayla. She’s milking it and laughing all the way to the bank.

7. People can find race issues in anything. I think it’s sad this has devolved into “white woman attacks black woman, black woman claps back”. They’re all entertainers, giving us what we want - drama, scandal, something to talk about over our morning coffee. I don’t think it’s anything deeper than that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do we feel about Travis' ex making a music video set to Toni Braxton's "Not Man Enough" that was clearly aimed at Taylor.

You should read back; we've been discussing it on the last several pages.

I thought she killed it! Looked fantastic, and it was a great homage to Toni Braxton. Toni acknowledged the video, and she loved it. Last year Kayla did 'Ride' by Ciara and killed that one too.

[Anonymous]

My daughter said Morgan Wallen is a far bigger star to college girlies than TS. Wallen is doing back-to-back football stadium tour all next summer. I assume he's going to gross more than Swift just did with none of the over the top hype she receives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My daughter said Morgan Wallen is a far bigger star to college girlies than TS. Wallen is doing back-to-back football stadium tour all next summer. I assume he's going to gross more than Swift just did with none of the over the top hype she receives.

He’s gotten very popular. You can Google though, his tour is expected to gross a little over 300 million, just like his last tour. Very impressive. But Taylor’s tour grossed 2.2 billion. It’s going to be a while before someone gets near that.

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Anonymous wrote:How do we feel about Travis' ex making a music video set to Toni Braxton's "Not Man Enough" that was clearly aimed at Taylor.

Sad.

Taylor didn’t take a dig at her. The song was about their individual journeys to get to each other and why they feel like they’re a match.

Everything I’ve heard about his ex makes me think she desperately seeks attention. Nothing she’s done lately makes her look good. But our society reward narcissism so she’ll probably get what she wants.

Taylor’s fans have clearly attacked her repeatedly over this relationship and Taylor hasn’t said boo about it. So Taylor isn’t exactly taking the high road.

That said it’s pathetic on Kayla’s part and I don’t think anyone believes she wasn’t dumped. Travis also desperately seeks attention so makes sense as to why they were together but that’s clearly not a conversation that people are willing to have.