Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Yes, they are Mission Specialists just like the cashiers at Disney World are Cast Members and the person who makes your Subway sub (no pun intended) is a Sandwich Artist. Please.

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Anonymous wrote:What does this mean? The Guardian just quoted someone saying this incident has ruined future research that could have been done on the Titanic wreck site. Why?

“The chances of any future research being carried out on the wreck of Titanic is extremely slim. Probably not in my lifetime.”

The legit research orgs that safely explored the Titanic site for the past 25+ years are probably now uninsurable.

There were 3-D scans recently done of Titanic and the results are amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2XtefrMNhg

Most everyone agrees in a couple decades Titanic will be gone. I doubt you could ever get a better view than this, especially not out of a tiny portal window.

The video is amazing and mesmerizing, but totally not worthy risking one's life. Am I missing something?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, they are Mission Specialists just like the cashiers at Disney World are Cast Members and the person who makes your Subway sub (no pun intended) is a Sandwich Artist. Please.

+1000000 and thanks for the laugh!

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Anonymous wrote:What does this mean? The Guardian just quoted someone saying this incident has ruined future research that could have been done on the Titanic wreck site. Why?

“The chances of any future research being carried out on the wreck of Titanic is extremely slim. Probably not in my lifetime.”

The legit research orgs that safely explored the Titanic site for the past 25+ years are probably now uninsurable.

There were 3-D scans recently done of Titanic and the results are amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2XtefrMNhg

Most everyone agrees in a couple decades Titanic will be gone. I doubt you could ever get a better view than this, especially not out of a tiny portal window.

The video is amazing and mesmerizing, but totally not worthy risking one's life. Am I missing something?

I’m sure you have your own passions that don’t make sense to others.

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Anonymous wrote:The way some posters are reacting, it is a wonder two bicycle shop owners ever took their crazy contraption out to Kill Devil Hills in NC.

None of the people are stupid anymore than those who strive to go to space.

Just because you would never do it, doesn’t mean others shouldn’t!

I hope they rose to the surface and just haven’t been found yet.

These guys weren't inventors. They were tourists.

It's not even like Everest, where people have to train and be fit beyond imagining. These people just wrote a check.

False. They were Mission Specialists.

Without their participation, this scientific venture would not have moved forward.

People in this area claim to be in favor of Science, but when the rubber meets the road, it is all “hurr durr! They were privileged billionaires. Their fee for this trip would have been better spent on Teslas for the unhoused”

Do tell what science they were engaging in. Why safety measures on submarines are always a good idea? Mission accomplished. You are an absolute fool if you think science was anything but a thinly veiled guise for what this was really all about: vanity tourism.

Exactly…just like the rich people who pay to be hauled up Everest by sherpas aren’t explorers.

Absolutely. If you’ve ever read Into Thin Air it’s crazy how many of these people didn’t even have the right equipment and seemed not to know what they were doing at all. But then millions of dollars and resources weren’t put into rescue attempts at the summit simply because everyone knew there was no point.

That's what I was thinking, and wondering how is this different? People who climb Everest know that at a certain point high enough on the mountain, you either get yourself down on your own power, or you die. That's just how it is. You can't fly a helicopter up there or carry somebody down. One of the guides on that Everest trip was in radio contact with base camp and his pregnant wife as he froze to death. They all knew help was not on the way. How is this sub different? Don't you know (or do your due diligence before forking over $250k and learn) that if something goes wrong on the ocean floor, there's no saving you?

Into Thin Air happened over a quarter century ago. Helicopter long-line rescues are becoming more common in the Himalayas for those who can pay. People will continue taking risks.

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Anonymous wrote:The way some posters are reacting, it is a wonder two bicycle shop owners ever took their crazy contraption out to Kill Devil Hills in NC.

None of the people are stupid anymore than those who strive to go to space.

Just because you would never do it, doesn’t mean others shouldn’t!

I hope they rose to the surface and just haven’t been found yet.

These guys weren't inventors. They were tourists.

It's not even like Everest, where people have to train and be fit beyond imagining. These people just wrote a check.

False. They were Mission Specialists.

Without their participation, this scientific venture would not have moved forward.

People in this area claim to be in favor of Science, but when the rubber meets the road, it is all “hurr durr! They were privileged billionaires. Their fee for this trip would have been better spent on Teslas for the unhoused”

Do tell what science they were engaging in. Why safety measures on submarines are always a good idea? Mission accomplished. You are an absolute fool if you think science was anything but a thinly veiled guise for what this was really all about: vanity tourism.

Exactly…just like the rich people who pay to be hauled up Everest by sherpas aren’t explorers.

Absolutely. If you’ve ever read Into Thin Air it’s crazy how many of these people didn’t even have the right equipment and seemed not to know what they were doing at all. But then millions of dollars and resources weren’t put into rescue attempts at the summit simply because everyone knew there was no point.

That's what I was thinking, and wondering how is this different? People who climb Everest know that at a certain point high enough on the mountain, you either get yourself down on your own power, or you die. That's just how it is. You can't fly a helicopter up there or carry somebody down. One of the guides on that Everest trip was in radio contact with base camp and his pregnant wife as he froze to death. They all knew help was not on the way. How is this sub different? Don't you know (or do your due diligence before forking over $250k and learn) that if something goes wrong on the ocean floor, there's no saving you?

Into Thin Air happened over a quarter century ago. Helicopter long-line rescues are becoming more common in the Himalayas for those who can pay. People will continue taking risks.

But are they happening in the Death Zone of Everest? Has it happened?

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The name Ocean Gate makes me think of that cult, Heaven Gate.

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Anonymous wrote:I disagree that this isn't a traumatizing story. Obviously levels of trauma vary significantly and many many people are able to read (and even laugh ) about it without feeling any personal impact. But this is really tough to know about for "deep feeling" people, and it absolutely has a negative collective impact on mental health.

I hope these people are found and rescued, and that with their billions they will pay back the costs of being rescued from what I agree was entirely a vanity project at now great financial and emotional cost to the public. It's horrifying and I hope they are able to be saved. I can't imagine what their families are going through.

This is the best post and I agree 100%

Some people here should be ashamed of themselves.

The teen on board is especially upsetting.

Ok, but question for you two - how do you manage to get out of bed much less function on a daily basis with the amount of suffering and death that occurs every second around the world? I can think of many, many situations that are far worse for people (especially because they didn't put themselves in those situations!), that break my heart more than this. Yes, this is sad, it's sad when (almost anyone) dies, especially in a manner like this. But it's not remotely as sad as children dying of starvation, children being sold off into sex slavery, migrants dying trying to cross a body of water. I could go on and on. So if THIS is what you want to categorize as traumatizing, how do you handle everything else that's going on?

I’m the poster who originally posited that this is a potentially traumatic incident for many millions of people. Recent decades of research in psychology and neuroscience has clearly established that our brains are impacted by vicarious trauma, folks who work in fields where they are witness to traumatic experiences are clearly affected. Some people are affected more than others - there is now growing consensus that some people, perhaps ~30%, are highly sensitive people upon whom trauma had greater impact than others.

I actually *do* struggle every day with how to cope with psychological anguish I feel considering the suffering of others I have never met - victims of the war in Ukraine, starving children in the Sudan, girls and women raped and murdered all over the world as a weapon of war and/or misogyny.

In this case I am not traumatized so much by the loss of these five people but rather by the manner of the deaths - as the whole world contemplates whether they were blown to bits in a sudden depressurization or whether they are experiencing the hellish agony of a long slow descent into madness and suffocation.

They didn’t do this TO you. If only there was a way for you to not click on a website or watch this on the tv. I believe HGTV has no coverage of this at all.

I haven’t been watching television coverage, nor do I typically watch news.

Thanks for revealing your utter ignorance about how trauma works in the brain.

And yet here you are, reading 86 pages on this topic. Puh-lease.

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Anonymous wrote:I disagree that this isn't a traumatizing story. Obviously levels of trauma vary significantly and many many people are able to read (and even laugh ) about it without feeling any personal impact. But this is really tough to know about for "deep feeling" people, and it absolutely has a negative collective impact on mental health.

I hope these people are found and rescued, and that with their billions they will pay back the costs of being rescued from what I agree was entirely a vanity project at now great financial and emotional cost to the public. It's horrifying and I hope they are able to be saved. I can't imagine what their families are going through.

This is the best post and I agree 100%

Some people here should be ashamed of themselves.

The teen on board is especially upsetting.

Ok, but question for you two - how do you manage to get out of bed much less function on a daily basis with the amount of suffering and death that occurs every second around the world? I can think of many, many situations that are far worse for people (especially because they didn't put themselves in those situations!), that break my heart more than this. Yes, this is sad, it's sad when (almost anyone) dies, especially in a manner like this. But it's not remotely as sad as children dying of starvation, children being sold off into sex slavery, migrants dying trying to cross a body of water. I could go on and on. So if THIS is what you want to categorize as traumatizing, how do you handle everything else that's going on?

I’m the poster who originally posited that this is a potentially traumatic incident for many millions of people. Recent decades of research in psychology and neuroscience has clearly established that our brains are impacted by vicarious trauma, folks who work in fields where they are witness to traumatic experiences are clearly affected. Some people are affected more than others - there is now growing consensus that some people, perhaps ~30%, are highly sensitive people upon whom trauma had greater impact than others.

I actually *do* struggle every day with how to cope with psychological anguish I feel considering the suffering of others I have never met - victims of the war in Ukraine, starving children in the Sudan, girls and women raped and murdered all over the world as a weapon of war and/or misogyny.

In this case I am not traumatized so much by the loss of these five people but rather by the manner of the deaths - as the whole world contemplates whether they were blown to bits in a sudden depressurization or whether they are experiencing the hellish agony of a long slow descent into madness and suffocation.

They didn’t do this TO you. If only there was a way for you to not click on a website or watch this on the tv. I believe HGTV has no coverage of this at all.

PP, what an inveterate a$$hole you are. There are those among us who are unable or unwilling to ignore the suffering of others. Your lack of empathy is disgusting.

Ok, so you don't ignore ANY of the suffering that goes on around the world? You must then give all your money to charities to fight world hunger, you must spend all your time researching ways to make the world a better place. You don't? Why not?

Also, these people CHOSE to do this. Sure it's sad that they died (I'm going to go ahead and assume that has happened by this point), but it pales in comparison to so many other things going on. What do you do when a friend has a late-term miscarriage? When someone's spouse or child dies young? How on earth do you handle real tragedy that's in your face?

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Anonymous wrote:The way some posters are reacting, it is a wonder two bicycle shop owners ever took their crazy contraption out to Kill Devil Hills in NC.

None of the people are stupid anymore than those who strive to go to space.

Just because you would never do it, doesn’t mean others shouldn’t!

I hope they rose to the surface and just haven’t been found yet.

These guys weren't inventors. They were tourists.

It's not even like Everest, where people have to train and be fit beyond imagining. These people just wrote a check.

False. They were Mission Specialists.

Without their participation, this scientific venture would not have moved forward.

People in this area claim to be in favor of Science, but when the rubber meets the road, it is all “hurr durr! They were privileged billionaires. Their fee for this trip would have been better spent on Teslas for the unhoused”

Do tell what science they were engaging in. Why safety measures on submarines are always a good idea? Mission accomplished. You are an absolute fool if you think science was anything but a thinly veiled guise for what this was really all about: vanity tourism.

Exactly…just like the rich people who pay to be hauled up Everest by sherpas aren’t explorers.

Absolutely. If you’ve ever read Into Thin Air it’s crazy how many of these people didn’t even have the right equipment and seemed not to know what they were doing at all. But then millions of dollars and resources weren’t put into rescue attempts at the summit simply because everyone knew there was no point.

That's what I was thinking, and wondering how is this different? People who climb Everest know that at a certain point high enough on the mountain, you either get yourself down on your own power, or you die. That's just how it is. You can't fly a helicopter up there or carry somebody down. One of the guides on that Everest trip was in radio contact with base camp and his pregnant wife as he froze to death. They all knew help was not on the way. How is this sub different? Don't you know (or do your due diligence before forking over $250k and learn) that if something goes wrong on the ocean floor, there's no saving you?

Into Thin Air happened over a quarter century ago. Helicopter long-line rescues are becoming more common in the Himalayas for those who can pay. People will continue taking risks.

But are they happening in the Death Zone of Everest? Has it happened?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2023/06/02/nepali-sherpa-prolongs-mount-everest-summit-for-daring-rescue/70281684007/

Quoting myself but it appears it has happened. Once. Extremely recently.

THe technology isn’t there for an on the fly rescue attempt at 2 miles underwater yet. Its only barely there for extreme altitude.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: why doesn’t Russia deploy a nuclear sub deep underwater near the wreck of the Titanic, since the entire US military seems wholly incapable of finding anything there?

Show me the Russian sub that goes to 12,000 feet.

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In an unfortunate twist of fate, five individuals find themselves in a perilous situation aboard a missing Titanic submersible. While the risks they are facing are undeniable, we should approach this topic with utmost compassion. Travel, by its very nature, encompasses both the excitement of exploration and the potential dangers that come with it.

The individuals aboard the missing submersible embarked on their journey driven by the innate human desire for exploration. Want to fault them for the money they spent? How is that important? It is crucial to acknowledge their courage and curiosity, appreciating their willingness to venture into the unknown. Treasuring this spirit of discovery, we must understand that risks are sometimes integral to unraveling the mysteries of our world.

Compassion guides us in understanding the gravity of the peril these individuals are facing. Empathy provides us with the ability to put ourselves in their shoes, realizing the vulnerability and fear that must accompany such a situation. Recognizing the urgency, it is essential to mobilize efforts to ensure their safety and well-being.

The peril faced by the five individuals highlights the fragile nature of life. It is a poignant reminder that, even in the realm of adventure, each moment should be treasured. This compassion urges us to appreciate life's complexities, to embrace loved ones tightly, and to remember the shared vulnerability that unites us.

And it is the reason we must travel on

Thanks, Chat.

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:The way some posters are reacting, it is a wonder two bicycle shop owners ever took their crazy contraption out to Kill Devil Hills in NC.

None of the people are stupid anymore than those who strive to go to space.

Just because you would never do it, doesn’t mean others shouldn’t!

I hope they rose to the surface and just haven’t been found yet.

These guys weren't inventors. They were tourists.

It's not even like Everest, where people have to train and be fit beyond imagining. These people just wrote a check.

False. They were Mission Specialists.

Without their participation, this scientific venture would not have moved forward.

People in this area claim to be in favor of Science, but when the rubber meets the road, it is all “hurr durr! They were privileged billionaires. Their fee for this trip would have been better spent on Teslas for the unhoused”

Do tell what science they were engaging in. Why safety measures on submarines are always a good idea? Mission accomplished. You are an absolute fool if you think science was anything but a thinly veiled guise for what this was really all about: vanity tourism.

Exactly…just like the rich people who pay to be hauled up Everest by sherpas aren’t explorers.

Absolutely. If you’ve ever read Into Thin Air it’s crazy how many of these people didn’t even have the right equipment and seemed not to know what they were doing at all. But then millions of dollars and resources weren’t put into rescue attempts at the summit simply because everyone knew there was no point.

That's what I was thinking, and wondering how is this different? People who climb Everest know that at a certain point high enough on the mountain, you either get yourself down on your own power, or you die. That's just how it is. You can't fly a helicopter up there or carry somebody down. One of the guides on that Everest trip was in radio contact with base camp and his pregnant wife as he froze to death. They all knew help was not on the way. How is this sub different? Don't you know (or do your due diligence before forking over $250k and learn) that if something goes wrong on the ocean floor, there's no saving you?

Into Thin Air happened over a quarter century ago. Helicopter long-line rescues are becoming more common in the Himalayas for those who can pay. People will continue taking risks.

But are they happening in the Death Zone of Everest? Has it happened?

You can get lucky and encounter a selfless Sherpa.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/travel/article/everest-sherpa-interview-climbing-season-intl-hnk/index.html

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Anonymous wrote:The way some posters are reacting, it is a wonder two bicycle shop owners ever took their crazy contraption out to Kill Devil Hills in NC.

None of the people are stupid anymore than those who strive to go to space.

Just because you would never do it, doesn’t mean others shouldn’t!

I hope they rose to the surface and just haven’t been found yet.

These guys weren't inventors. They were tourists.

It's not even like Everest, where people have to train and be fit beyond imagining. These people just wrote a check.

False. They were Mission Specialists.

Without their participation, this scientific venture would not have moved forward.

People in this area claim to be in favor of Science, but when the rubber meets the road, it is all “hurr durr! They were privileged billionaires. Their fee for this trip would have been better spent on Teslas for the unhoused”

Do tell what science they were engaging in. Why safety measures on submarines are always a good idea? Mission accomplished. You are an absolute fool if you think science was anything but a thinly veiled guise for what this was really all about: vanity tourism.

Exactly…just like the rich people who pay to be hauled up Everest by sherpas aren’t explorers.

Absolutely. If you’ve ever read Into Thin Air it’s crazy how many of these people didn’t even have the right equipment and seemed not to know what they were doing at all. But then millions of dollars and resources weren’t put into rescue attempts at the summit simply because everyone knew there was no point.

That's what I was thinking, and wondering how is this different? People who climb Everest know that at a certain point high enough on the mountain, you either get yourself down on your own power, or you die. That's just how it is. You can't fly a helicopter up there or carry somebody down. One of the guides on that Everest trip was in radio contact with base camp and his pregnant wife as he froze to death. They all knew help was not on the way. How is this sub different? Don't you know (or do your due diligence before forking over $250k and learn) that if something goes wrong on the ocean floor, there's no saving you?

Into Thin Air happened over a quarter century ago. Helicopter long-line rescues are becoming more common in the Himalayas for those who can pay. People will continue taking risks.

But are they happening in the Death Zone of Everest? Has it happened?

You can get lucky and encounter a selfless Sherpa.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/travel/article/everest-sherpa-interview-climbing-season-intl-hnk/index.html

Yeah, and then not thank him after you get down! Didn’t that post profuse thanks to literally everyone else?

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Anonymous wrote:I think that ego plays a big role in feeling invincible. Extremely wealthy people often can’t imagine bad things happening to them. Rush clearly thought he was the smartest guy in the room and there was no need for extensive unmanned testing or multiple fail safes. His refusal to do it the harder slower way actually hinders science and exploration, the opposite of what he claimed. Had he been willing to work for years more on building a better engineered tested submersible and share design issues and flaws that emerged during testing he would advance science more. So yeah the desire to explore may be human but even more so is the enormity of ego that makes people feel invincible. Story of Icarus.

Trieste went three times as deep in 1960, over 60 years ago!

James Cameron has been down more than 30 times.

It's not like this guy invented the wheel. He just made a crappy version of one.