Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:Where does this “keep the world clean” slogan come from? I can’t imagine those NYU kids came up with it on their own.

But yes — it’s terrifying to see this quickly going from critical of Israel to condemning all Jews.

Where does it say all Jews? It’s the flag of Israel.

It’s the overall message implying (even outright stating) that the world should be cleansed of Jews. Even if the star of David “only” refers to the nation of Israel, it’s calling for Israel to be destroyed.

The same people who are quick to remind folks that Israel isn't 100% Jewish are the same ones who scream antisemitism when you criticize Israel. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

We don’t. The point is not that all criticism of Israel is antisemitic - for example criticism of the vile settlements in the West Bank. But some of the criticism does have an anti-Semitic thread to it.

There is nothing antisemitic about the protest.

Which protest? There have been so many on college campuses.
They have called Hamas "liberators" and "resistance." They have displayed hateful signs directed at Jews.
And antisemitism has risen to record levels.

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Anonymous wrote:It really is a scary time to be a Jew in the west, and particularly on campus.
And that does not mean that it's not scary to be a civilian in Gaza, or that there are never Islamophobic crimes in the west.

But anti-semitism is everywhere right now, and if you claim it's not, you're deliberately ignoring it.

And FWIW, on Jewish online forums, a large number of people are talking about moving to Israel. Because they feel that they'd be safer there.

I am sorry you feel this way. It’s interesting to me that you say this, because it seems to me (as a non-Jewish person) that there is a ton of institutional support for Israel and it’s cause in the West. The USG has basically pledged undying support and loyalty to Israel, buildings have been lit up in blue and white to show support, companies are making statements, etc. The public support I see for Palestinians is limited to rallies and statements made by college groups (which are quickly denounced and the students doxxed). Some of those are very clearly antisemitic or involve hate speech, but generally I see more support in the U.S. for Israel.

Sincerely, could you please elaborate on how/why you feel that your safety as a Jew in the United States is personally threatened? I think all hate speech and hateful acts are totally unacceptable and should be prosecuted, to be clear. I’m just curious as to how the antisemitism you’ve seen in the past month is more alarming than casual racism in the U.S. against people of color or anti-gay sentiment, or hateful sentiment against any group (which all also exists). It shouldn’t, but it does, and there’s nasty rhetoric and hate crimes against all of those groups. But I wouldn’t say generally that members of any of those groups (racial minorities, the LGBTQ community, Muslims, Jews) are baseline unsafe in the U.S.

I'm assuming that you're asking in good faith, but I'm just too tired to explain it anymore. And those who don't believe it tend not to believe it no matter what I say. But I am a progressive myself and I believe any minority group, and women, when they say they feel unsafe. I would only ask that if you give others the benefit of the doubt, that you give it to Jews as well.

I’m the PP, and I’m an Asian woman who lives in NYC. Where there was a wave of crime against Asian women during and after Covid, such that many in the Asian community believed that there it was related to anti-Asian hate and/or that they were unsafe walking around NYC. I had the same questions for them then - I’m really just trying to understand the fear. The fact of the matter is that there are (unfortunately, seems like there will always be) groups in this country who hate anyone who isn’t a straight white Christian man, and at various times those people come to the public attention through high-profile violence/rhetoric (Charlottesville rally, high-profile violent crime against Asians, the stabbing of the little Palestinian boy, antisemitic rhetoric at protests).

I guess what I was trying to say is that, as a member of such a group, that doesn’t make me feel like my “group” (Asians, Asian women) is so threatened in the US that I should move back to the country my parents immigrated from. I have heard this sentiment expressed a few times, that Jews in America are terrified. I’m just trying to understand of what.

have you ever heard of … the Holocaust?

This is my question. Do you think the Holocaust (or some type of genocide against Jews) is going to happen again? Maybe the answer is yes, I don’t know. As a non-Jew, that seems pretty unlikely to me but maybe you think differently.

I’m not Jewish and I would have said “no” prior to 10/7. Now, watching the overwhelming surge of antisemitism globally, I’ve changed my mind. I think there are a lot of people globally who would 100% support a second Holocaust and I don’t think it is an impossibility.

I agree.

Hysterics. Jews are the most protected and privileged ethnic minority in the world. They exert influence at the highest levels of global power.

please, tell us more about your theories about Jews?

The data speaks for itself. You are more than welcome to present data on any other minority, let alone a tiny country in the desert, that enjoys such privilege and power.

And please, tell me what you think should happen to Israel?

I’m not who you were replying to but I would be happy if Israel ceased to exist.

Israel’s legacy as an independent state is escalating oppression towards another population, currently bordering on genocide. If Israel ceased to exist as a theocracy, the world would be a better place and Jews (and Palestinians) everywhere would be safer. The third reich ended after WWII and the German people are thriving. Likewise, the state of Israel can cease to exist and the region can install a democratic or republican government. Running a concentration camps for decades and bombing civilians while fearing an uprising that could kill your family sounds exhausting.

Jews everywhere would be better off without the extremists that personify the state of Israel.

Ugh.

1. Israel isn’t a theocracy.

2. If it ceased to exist, where would all the people who live there go?

3. I can post the AEI article YET AGAIN that shows Gaza isn’t a concentration camp.

4. Stop telling us Jews what’s good for us. Most of us hate Bibi.

Israel is an apartheid state.

They can figure out where to go themselves just like they forced the actual owners of the land to do when they sent settlers to kick innocent families out of their homes.

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Anonymous wrote:How dehumanizing and shameful to hear this from a President that shills another nation’s propaganda, including “40 beheaded babies”

I have no notion that the Palestinians are telling the truth about how many people are killed. I’m sure innocents have been killed, and it’s a price of waging war. But I have no confidence in the number that the Palestinians are using,’ he said at the White House earlier today.

Propaganda that caused a 6 year old boy happily running to his landlords arms to embrace him to get stabbed over 50 times. Could you imagine that boys terror and confusion as a beloved adult stabs him to death because he heard Palestinians Behead babies ? Terrible and insidious propaganda.

Biden is disgusting and should be in an assisted living facility watching Jeopardy not leading the world. He is a tool

Right. So I’m assuming you were just as horrified on 10/7? Doubt it. I have a friend like you. Silence until it was one of “hers”. For some reason I doubt you cared about the innocent Israeli kids who were murdered that day.

I was here in this thread disgusted and mortified by the the attacks on 10/7, and I still am.

The only difference now is I am not sure if I believe all the initial claims about Hamas. I know it must be hard for you to believe but many in the younger demographic saw the information on social media change in real time
From 40 beheaded babies to Ben Shapiros post of a burned infant being flagged as an AI generated fake image to another person posting about a woman and her womb being cut out, and Twitter flagging the post as fake and actually being something that happened in the Palestinian Sabra and Sharina massacre of 2982.

We saw Biden/The White House walk back initial baby beheading claims . We saw Naftali/ the IDF walk back hospital bombing claims that they initially
Tweeted about in brag mode . When the world was mortified someone would actually bomb a hospital intentionally and brag about it, we saw the script change with convenient “confessional” audio from the sound proof temp controlled studios in a Gaza tunnel. We saw celebrities like Bieber and Jamie Lee Curtis post fake pictures of Israel that were actually of Gaza.

This has been a huge mess optics wise for Israel to those of us under 35 who don’t rely on cable news and use social media for news.

So you don’t believe Hamas killed 1,400 people?

I do and you know that? That is horrific enough for my senses. I didn’t need Ben Shapiro to post a disturbing AI image of a fake burned baby. Things like this is what made Gen Z /college generation question Israel. It shouldn’t have been this way. I believe Bibi and crew are such a hamfisted circular firing squad of screw ups that I’m not surprised Hamas has now “won” Gen Z.

It gets really bad if you’re on Tiktok and X. Israeli Tiktokers mocking Palestinians are going viral every second and so is a clip this morning of a man on Israeli television saying hostages should stop being interviewed in Israeli media because it’s good optics for Hamas.

An idiocy by Ben Shapiro made you “question Israel” but Hamas lying about bombing its own hospital made you gung ho about Hamas? It’s truly nobody’s fault but your own if you’re in your mid-30s and getting your foreign policy news from Tik Tok.

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Anonymous wrote:How dehumanizing and shameful to hear this from a President that shills another nation’s propaganda, including “40 beheaded babies”

I have no notion that the Palestinians are telling the truth about how many people are killed. I’m sure innocents have been killed, and it’s a price of waging war. But I have no confidence in the number that the Palestinians are using,’ he said at the White House earlier today.

Propaganda that caused a 6 year old boy happily running to his landlords arms to embrace him to get stabbed over 50 times. Could you imagine that boys terror and confusion as a beloved adult stabs him to death because he heard Palestinians Behead babies ? Terrible and insidious propaganda.

Biden is disgusting and should be in an assisted living facility watching Jeopardy not leading the world. He is a tool

Right. So I’m assuming you were just as horrified on 10/7? Doubt it. I have a friend like you. Silence until it was one of “hers”. For some reason I doubt you cared about the innocent Israeli kids who were murdered that day.

I was here in this thread disgusted and mortified by the the attacks on 10/7, and I still am.

The only difference now is I am not sure if I believe all the initial claims about Hamas. I know it must be hard for you to believe but many in the younger demographic saw the information on social media change in real time
From 40 beheaded babies to Ben Shapiros post of a burned infant being flagged as an AI generated fake image to another person posting about a woman and her womb being cut out, and Twitter flagging the post as fake and actually being something that happened in the Palestinian Sabra and Sharina massacre of 2982.

We saw Biden/The White House walk back initial baby beheading claims . We saw Naftali/ the IDF walk back hospital bombing claims that they initially
Tweeted about in brag mode . When the world was mortified someone would actually bomb a hospital intentionally and brag about it, we saw the script change with convenient “confessional” audio from the sound proof temp controlled studios in a Gaza tunnel. We saw celebrities like Bieber and Jamie Lee Curtis post fake pictures of Israel that were actually of Gaza.

This has been a huge mess optics wise for Israel to those of us under 35 who don’t rely on cable news and use social media for news.

So you don’t believe Hamas killed 1,400 people?

I do and you know that? That is horrific enough for my senses. I didn’t need Ben Shapiro to post a disturbing AI image of a fake burned baby. Things like this is what made Gen Z /college generation question Israel. It shouldn’t have been this way. I believe Bibi and crew are such a hamfisted circular firing squad of screw ups that I’m not surprised Hamas has now “won” Gen Z.

It gets really bad if you’re on Tiktok and X. Israeli Tiktokers mocking Palestinians are going viral every second and so is a clip this morning of a man on Israeli television saying hostages should stop being interviewed in Israeli media because it’s good optics for Hamas.

An idiocy by Ben Shapiro made you “question Israel” but Hamas lying about bombing its own hospital made you gung ho about Hamas? It’s truly nobody’s fault but your own if you’re in your mid-30s and getting your foreign policy news from Tik Tok.

People can be anti-Israel AND anti-Hamas. Perhaps it boggles your mind that two thoughts can simultaneously exist in the same brain, but for most people it is possible.

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One of the few things Biden has said that I agree with......

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Anonymous wrote:How dehumanizing and shameful to hear this from a President that shills another nation’s propaganda, including “40 beheaded babies”

I have no notion that the Palestinians are telling the truth about how many people are killed. I’m sure innocents have been killed, and it’s a price of waging war. But I have no confidence in the number that the Palestinians are using,’ he said at the White House earlier today.

Propaganda that caused a 6 year old boy happily running to his landlords arms to embrace him to get stabbed over 50 times. Could you imagine that boys terror and confusion as a beloved adult stabs him to death because he heard Palestinians Behead babies ? Terrible and insidious propaganda.

Biden is disgusting and should be in an assisted living facility watching Jeopardy not leading the world. He is a tool

Right. So I’m assuming you were just as horrified on 10/7? Doubt it. I have a friend like you. Silence until it was one of “hers”. For some reason I doubt you cared about the innocent Israeli kids who were murdered that day.

I was here in this thread disgusted and mortified by the the attacks on 10/7, and I still am.

The only difference now is I am not sure if I believe all the initial claims about Hamas. I know it must be hard for you to believe but many in the younger demographic saw the information on social media change in real time
From 40 beheaded babies to Ben Shapiros post of a burned infant being flagged as an AI generated fake image to another person posting about a woman and her womb being cut out, and Twitter flagging the post as fake and actually being something that happened in the Palestinian Sabra and Sharina massacre of 2982.

We saw Biden/The White House walk back initial baby beheading claims . We saw Naftali/ the IDF walk back hospital bombing claims that they initially
Tweeted about in brag mode . When the world was mortified someone would actually bomb a hospital intentionally and brag about it, we saw the script change with convenient “confessional” audio from the sound proof temp controlled studios in a Gaza tunnel. We saw celebrities like Bieber and Jamie Lee Curtis post fake pictures of Israel that were actually of Gaza.

This has been a huge mess optics wise for Israel to those of us under 35 who don’t rely on cable news and use social media for news.

So you don’t believe Hamas killed 1,400 people?

I do and you know that? That is horrific enough for my senses. I didn’t need Ben Shapiro to post a disturbing AI image of a fake burned baby. Things like this is what made Gen Z /college generation question Israel. It shouldn’t have been this way. I believe Bibi and crew are such a hamfisted circular firing squad of screw ups that I’m not surprised Hamas has now “won” Gen Z.

It gets really bad if you’re on Tiktok and X. Israeli Tiktokers mocking Palestinians are going viral every second and so is a clip this morning of a man on Israeli television saying hostages should stop being interviewed in Israeli media because it’s good optics for Hamas.

An idiocy by Ben Shapiro made you “question Israel” but Hamas lying about bombing its own hospital made you gung ho about Hamas? It’s truly nobody’s fault but your own if you’re in your mid-30s and getting your foreign policy news from Tik Tok.

It’s not just me It’s many people my age and younger. It isn’t just Shapiro. Things like Eve Cohens post are being broadcast to the world.

Laugh all you want but the young generation is seeing what the Israelis are doing on Tiktok and it is shameful

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DeSantis bans SJP groups on Florida campuses.

Is this legal or unconstitutional?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/floridas-desantis-bans-pro-palestinian-student-group-2023-10-25/

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Anonymous wrote:How dehumanizing and shameful to hear this from a President that shills another nation’s propaganda, including “40 beheaded babies”

I have no notion that the Palestinians are telling the truth about how many people are killed. I’m sure innocents have been killed, and it’s a price of waging war. But I have no confidence in the number that the Palestinians are using,’ he said at the White House earlier today.

Propaganda that caused a 6 year old boy happily running to his landlords arms to embrace him to get stabbed over 50 times. Could you imagine that boys terror and confusion as a beloved adult stabs him to death because he heard Palestinians Behead babies ? Terrible and insidious propaganda.

Biden is disgusting and should be in an assisted living facility watching Jeopardy not leading the world. He is a tool

Right. So I’m assuming you were just as horrified on 10/7? Doubt it. I have a friend like you. Silence until it was one of “hers”. For some reason I doubt you cared about the innocent Israeli kids who were murdered that day.

I was here in this thread disgusted and mortified by the the attacks on 10/7, and I still am.

The only difference now is I am not sure if I believe all the initial claims about Hamas. I know it must be hard for you to believe but many in the younger demographic saw the information on social media change in real time
From 40 beheaded babies to Ben Shapiros post of a burned infant being flagged as an AI generated fake image to another person posting about a woman and her womb being cut out, and Twitter flagging the post as fake and actually being something that happened in the Palestinian Sabra and Sharina massacre of 2982.

We saw Biden/The White House walk back initial baby beheading claims . We saw Naftali/ the IDF walk back hospital bombing claims that they initially
Tweeted about in brag mode . When the world was mortified someone would actually bomb a hospital intentionally and brag about it, we saw the script change with convenient “confessional” audio from the sound proof temp controlled studios in a Gaza tunnel. We saw celebrities like Bieber and Jamie Lee Curtis post fake pictures of Israel that were actually of Gaza.

This has been a huge mess optics wise for Israel to those of us under 35 who don’t rely on cable news and use social media for news.

So you don’t believe Hamas killed 1,400 people?

I do and you know that? That is horrific enough for my senses. I didn’t need Ben Shapiro to post a disturbing AI image of a fake burned baby. Things like this is what made Gen Z /college generation question Israel. It shouldn’t have been this way. I believe Bibi and crew are such a hamfisted circular firing squad of screw ups that I’m not surprised Hamas has now “won” Gen Z.

It gets really bad if you’re on Tiktok and X. Israeli Tiktokers mocking Palestinians are going viral every second and so is a clip this morning of a man on Israeli television saying hostages should stop being interviewed in Israeli media because it’s good optics for Hamas.

An idiocy by Ben Shapiro made you “question Israel” but Hamas lying about bombing its own hospital made you gung ho about Hamas? It’s truly nobody’s fault but your own if you’re in your mid-30s and getting your foreign policy news from Tik Tok.

People can be anti-Israel AND anti-Hamas. Perhaps it boggles your mind that two thoughts can simultaneously exist in the same brain, but for most people it is possible.

+1,000

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Anonymous wrote:How dehumanizing and shameful to hear this from a President that shills another nation’s propaganda, including “40 beheaded babies”

I have no notion that the Palestinians are telling the truth about how many people are killed. I’m sure innocents have been killed, and it’s a price of waging war. But I have no confidence in the number that the Palestinians are using,’ he said at the White House earlier today.

Propaganda that caused a 6 year old boy happily running to his landlords arms to embrace him to get stabbed over 50 times. Could you imagine that boys terror and confusion as a beloved adult stabs him to death because he heard Palestinians Behead babies ? Terrible and insidious propaganda.

Biden is disgusting and should be in an assisted living facility watching Jeopardy not leading the world. He is a tool

Right. So I’m assuming you were just as horrified on 10/7? Doubt it. I have a friend like you. Silence until it was one of “hers”. For some reason I doubt you cared about the innocent Israeli kids who were murdered that day.

I was here in this thread disgusted and mortified by the the attacks on 10/7, and I still am.

The only difference now is I am not sure if I believe all the initial claims about Hamas. I know it must be hard for you to believe but many in the younger demographic saw the information on social media change in real time
From 40 beheaded babies to Ben Shapiros post of a burned infant being flagged as an AI generated fake image to another person posting about a woman and her womb being cut out, and Twitter flagging the post as fake and actually being something that happened in the Palestinian Sabra and Sharina massacre of 2982.

We saw Biden/The White House walk back initial baby beheading claims . We saw Naftali/ the IDF walk back hospital bombing claims that they initially
Tweeted about in brag mode . When the world was mortified someone would actually bomb a hospital intentionally and brag about it, we saw the script change with convenient “confessional” audio from the sound proof temp controlled studios in a Gaza tunnel. We saw celebrities like Bieber and Jamie Lee Curtis post fake pictures of Israel that were actually of Gaza.

This has been a huge mess optics wise for Israel to those of us under 35 who don’t rely on cable news and use social media for news.

So you don’t believe Hamas killed 1,400 people?

I do and you know that? That is horrific enough for my senses. I didn’t need Ben Shapiro to post a disturbing AI image of a fake burned baby. Things like this is what made Gen Z /college generation question Israel. It shouldn’t have been this way. I believe Bibi and crew are such a hamfisted circular firing squad of screw ups that I’m not surprised Hamas has now “won” Gen Z.

It gets really bad if you’re on Tiktok and X. Israeli Tiktokers mocking Palestinians are going viral every second and so is a clip this morning of a man on Israeli television saying hostages should stop being interviewed in Israeli media because it’s good optics for Hamas.

An idiocy by Ben Shapiro made you “question Israel” but Hamas lying about bombing its own hospital made you gung ho about Hamas? It’s truly nobody’s fault but your own if you’re in your mid-30s and getting your foreign policy news from Tik Tok.

It’s not just me It’s many people my age and younger. It isn’t just Shapiro. Things like Eve Cohens post are being broadcast to the world.

Laugh all you want but the young generation is seeing what the Israelis are doing on Tiktok and it is shameful

You are out of touch with the up-and-coming kids who mock the reliance on TikTok of their elders. If you are citing TikTok as an authoritative source now, prepare to be laughed at.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the few things Biden has said that I agree with......

He is a genocide denier, what do u expect

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Terrifying conditions for Jews in Canada too.

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Anonymous wrote:5. Because it went so well for the Jews for hundreds of years before the modern state of Israel existed.

actually it did for the Mizrahi Jews.

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Anonymous wrote:5. Because it went so well for the Jews for hundreds of years before the modern state of Israel existed.

If the only options in your head are commit genocide or be a victim of genocide, it’s never going to go well.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the few things Biden has said that I agree with......

Fair enough.