So how many IB are going to really be at Hardy?

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Anonymous wrote:So where does the new middle school go? in ward 3?


The old Hardy building on Foxhall would have been ideal, but the city just renewed the Lab School's lease.

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Anonymous wrote:To all those OOB parents with an inferiority complex because they live eotp, get over it! It's clear that you recognize wotp is better...at least for schooling your dc. The bar is lower eotp - simple as that. If you want to stop feeling so much internal shame just move wotp and be done with it. Remember that feeling of excitement you got when your kid got into an oob school? Remember that and just be grateful you you have this opportunity wotp.


I'm an IB Hardy parent and I want to distance myself from this poster immediately. She speaks for no one but herself.
Ha ha, this person is hilarious! Speaking as an EotP parent, I just have to laugh at the notion that the previous poster really believes that we feel shame for living there. So deluded! Don't worry, IB Hardy parent, this person is uniquely odd - no worry of me anyway assuming the crazy one speaks for other WotP parents.


The PP is right, though. This entire thread boils down to a bunch of EOTP families defending their access to a WOTP neighborhood middle school. Hardy has turned into a charter school with a neighborhood preference.
So enroll your kid and it won't be one anymore. Literally no one is stopping you. How do you think all those EotP kids originally got in OOB? Because the school was abandoned by the IB families! And that's what's so hilarious now -- that a few IB posters are whining about the big bad EotP families who somehow are standing at the doorway swinging ax handles at them to keep them from enrolling in Hardy.

Sheesh! If you want to blame someone, blame those chickenshit IB families from decades ago who didn't enroll. They're the ones who left the space for other families to attend.


Uh, no.

There are no "IB families from decades ago who didn't enroll."

Hardy has only been at its current location for 18 years, before that it was on Foxhall Road and was a small, "boutique" neighborhood school. Even after the move to Burleith it was still a neighborhood school. What killed it as a neighborhood school was moving to Hamilton Education Campus in Northeast from 2005 to 2008 while it was renovated. At that time anyone who wanted to could go to Deal or Latin (which at that time was located in AU Park), and literally all of the IB Hardy kids went to one of those two rather than commute 40 minutes across the city. In the life of a middle school, three years is a generation. When Hardy moved back, it had been reconstituted as an OOB school, and the principal found he liked it that way. That wasn't really a problem as long as there were seats for everyone at Deal and Latin. Things didn't start heating up at Hardy until a few years later, when very quickly both schools filled up and the focus turned to Hardy.

If anyone is to blame, it's DCPS for creating this mess, and the parents for letting them.
Granted, I don't know the history of the school at its former location on Foxhall Road. You got me there. I'm guessing that it was full of IB families from what you are saying?

But you are completely wrong about Hardy being a neighborhood school before the move to Hamilton. It was highly OOB -- maybe 70% is what I heard when my daughter attended the year before the move to Hamilton. So, yes, the IB families abandoned the school before any move to Hamilton. I don't know when they left or why they left -- all I know is that they had chosen not to attend by that point in time so other people in search of a good education from outside the neighborhood took their place. And now those families that were looking for the best education they could get for their children are being treated in this thread by a few posters as if they are a powerful cabal scheming to keep IB families out of the school. Yeah right.


If Hardy was 30% IB back then it was attracting all of the IB kids. One of the problems Hardy has had since it moved from Foxhall Road is that its attendance zone is just too small for the size of the school to be a neighborhood school. It has about a quarter as many kids in its feeders as Deal -- and about half as many per seat -- which is 35% OOB. If Hardy had the same capture rate as Deal it would be 30-35% IB. Now, keep in mind that the Hardy feeders have basically doubled in size in the past decade -- Stoddert and Key have both added additions and trailers. Pre-move, Hardy was doing as good a job as Deal is today at attracting in-boundary families. The notion that the school was "abandoned" by IB families is just not supported by history.

And even if it were true, so what? Why should today's IB families -- a completely different group of people -- be responsible for what IB families did a decade ago?
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Anonymous wrote:There are areas in much more need of a new middle school. hardy is good school compared to nearly every other middle school.


Exactly. That's why the opportunity to attend Hardy OOB should not be taken away from families whose local MSs are failing by having IB families push them out. Instead, build another MS for IB families and let Hardy remain a city-wide MS.


That is pretty circular logic.


How so, PP? Do you really think that a new MS in an area of the city that is much more in need would be of the same caliber as Hardy?


Move Hardy, with all its current students, to ward 5. Open a new MS in the Gordon Junior High building on Wisconsin Avenue. Problem solved.
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The notion of another Ward 3/2 middle school is a little ridiculous. Another high school on the other hand...
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If Hardy was 30% IB back then it was attracting all of the IB kids. One of the problems Hardy has had since it moved from Foxhall Road is that its attendance zone is just too small for the size of the school to be a neighborhood school. It has about a quarter as many kids in its feeders as Deal -- and about half as many per seat -- which is 35% OOB. If Hardy had the same capture rate as Deal it would be 30-35% IB. Now, keep in mind that the Hardy feeders have basically doubled in size in the past decade -- Stoddert and Key have both added additions and trailers. Pre-move, Hardy was doing as good a job as Deal is today at attracting in-boundary families. The notion that the school was "abandoned" by IB families is just not supported by history.

And even if it were true, so what? Why should today's IB families -- a completely different group of people -- be responsible for what IB families did a decade ago?

If we look at the CURRENT dynamic -- Hardy is less than one third the size of Deal (371 vs. 1243 enrollment last year) -- and if you added up the kids that remain through 5th currently (taking into account that there's still basically the loss of a full class of kids in most of the feeders between 4th and 5th) -- you end up with about 160 graduating 5th graders from the current feeders (so not including Eaton at this point - but does include the OOB kids at the feeders). Given the trends, and is already the case at Stoddert, increasing numbers of families are sticking it out through 5th grade. A 'full' 6th grade class at Hardy is around 120 kids.

FYI - a link to the Burleith community page has some on the history of the schools - it is noted on the page that this is written from a "1985 perspective" (ie. assume mean not culturally sensitive & one-sided on the social undercurrents) -- http://burleith.org/history.html

"One of the most dramatic changes in Burleith during these years was the transformation of the schools. Declining enrollments were attributed to the natural aging of the surrounding communities, as well as to "white flight" to the suburbs and to private schools following the U.S. Supreme Court's 1954 desegregation order in Brown v. Board of Education.

By 1961, according to one report, "tradition-steeped Western, which once had a heavy emphasis on preparing students for college, was doing its utmost to hold on to its reputation for academic excellence during a period of change and upheaval in the city's public school system, involving new boundary lines and student patterns." The school was facing competition for students from private schools and vibrant new suburban schools.

One memorable incident during this period involved the appearance of Senator Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY) at Western in 1966. He posed some questions to the students who, by a show of hands, indicated that they favored the U.S. staying in Vietnam, favored the bombing of North Vietnamese cities, and thought Red China should be recognized by the U.S., but should not be admitted to the United Nations.

In a momentous 1967 decision, Judge Skelly Wright of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit shook the D.C. public school system to its roots when, to resolve a racial discrimination suit, he ordered abandonment of the existing ability track system as discriminatory against blacks and the poor, ordered the open enrollment plan struck down, and instead called for the establishment of rigid school zone boundaries. The new zone for Western extended almost eight miles, from the Anacostia River to Spring Valley. As a result of that court order, Western abandoned most of its ability groupings and became the most racially and economically mixed high school in the city, with classes made up of students of wide ranging achievement levels.

Racial tensions increased, and reached a peak in 1970 when a student group called the Student Coalition Against Racism (SCAR) convened an unscheduled assembly, calling for a week-long boycott of classes and demanding the creation of an Afro-American Department, courses on black studies, an end to police patrolling the school, and the resignation of the principal. The principal, who had been criticized both for being too liberal on discipline and for being racist when he refused to recognize black-only organizations, resigned and was replaced by Western's first black principal, at a time when the student body was 68 percent black.

In 1974 the School of the Arts, an outgrowth of Workshops for Careers in the Arts, opened at Western and shared the building with the last class of regular non-arts students who graduated in June 1976. The school, now known as the Duke Ellington School of the Arts, offers specialized training in the visual and performing arts, vocal and instrumental music, dance, acting, and graphic arts.


GORDON JUNIOR HIGH (35th and T Streets)

Some of the same factors that helped to shape the transformation of Western were at work at Gordon Junior High as well. During the early and mid-1960s, Gordon was held up as a model of successful integration, with an enrollment of 800 fluctuating between 60 percent white and 60 percent black for almost ten years. In 1966 there was a proposal to make both Gordon Junior High and Western High model schools.

However, after Judge Wright's 1967 order, the character of Gordon changed. Almost all ability grouping stopped and students of third grade level ability were in the same classes as students of 12th grade level ability. Discipline became a problem. During the mid-1970s the school's stage curtains were set ablaze and were never replaced. A tear gas grenade was set off, and the cafeteria furniture was burned. When several teachers were assaulted, the teachers staged a one-day sick-out demanding tighter discipline.

By 1978, one report said, enrollment had dropped to 261 students, of which only 13 were white, and "the school which lost its neighborhood children and became a troubled center for inner city problems, closed after 50 years." But the school rebounded that same year and reopened as the Gordon Center, the product of a merger by the Americanization School and the Program of English Instruction for Latin Americans, which had been located in the heart of the Hispanic community. The name was later changed to the Carlos Rosario Center, in honor of a distinguished D.C. Latino activist. Before its closure in 1996, Rosario had approximately 1,600 adult students.

FILLMORE SCHOOL (35th and S Streets)

There had been talk of closing Fillmore School as early as 1957. The solution at that time, however, was simply to combine the three elementary schools - Fi1lmore, Hyde, and Jackson - under the supervision of one principal. In 1967, as a result of Judge Wright's order, black students were bused from Anacostia to ease overcrowding in that part of the city. However, by 1974, declining enrollments, dwindling teaching staffs, and the gradual phase-out of busing, due to an ambitious school building program in Anacostia, left Fillmore with only 39 students. Five other nearby elementary schools (Hardy, Hyde, Key, Mann, and Stoddert) were also small, old, and underutilized.

Hardy and Fillmore were scheduled to close in order to become office buildings for the school system administration. However, parents, teachers, and administrators banded together to save the schools in 1974 by forming the Six School Complex. Under this plan, Hardy became a middle school for grades five through eight; Hyde, Key, Mann, and Stoddert remained elementary schools, each with its own specialty, and Fillmore became an arts center, lacking a student body of its own and dedicated to serving the other five schools.

Following the formation of the complex, enrollment jumped from about 500 for six schools in 1974 to more than 900 in five schools by 1979. Fillmore was voted one of the 10 best art programs in the nation in 1982, and under the Reagan Administration was been named the adopted school of the National Endowment of the Arts."

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Anonymous wrote:The notion of another Ward 3/2 middle school is a little ridiculous. Another high school on the other hand...


There should be another high school at the old Western (more recently Ellington site). Ellington draws a lot of kids from around the city (and PG too, but that's another story). It's a shame that DCPS is spendng almost $140 million to retrofit Western as Ellingtons permanent home instead of building a brand new, centrally located Ellington by a Metro station and close by to a major performing arts facility. Absent Western there is no really good site WOTP for another high school even though it is needed.
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Has Principal Pride fessed up yet on this year's enrollment numbers?
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Anonymous wrote:The notion of another Ward 3/2 middle school is a little ridiculous. Another high school on the other hand...


There should be another high school at the old Western (more recently Ellington site). Ellington draws a lot of kids from around the city (and PG too, but that's another story). It's a shame that DCPS is spendng almost $140 million to retrofit Western as Ellingtons permanent home instead of building a brand new, centrally located Ellington by a Metro station and close by to a major performing arts facility. Absent Western there is no really good site WOTP for another high school even though it is needed.


There is five acres of city-owned land that is adjacent to the old Hardy School that is not part of the Lab School lease. Currently it is a very-lightly used DPR rec center. A school could be build there and when the Lab lease expires in eight years the campuses could be combined.
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Anonymous wrote:The notion of another Ward 3/2 middle school is a little ridiculous. Another high school on the other hand...


There should be another high school at the old Western (more recently Ellington site). Ellington draws a lot of kids from around the city (and PG too, but that's another story). It's a shame that DCPS is spendng almost $140 million to retrofit Western as Ellingtons permanent home instead of building a brand new, centrally located Ellington by a Metro station and close by to a major performing arts facility. Absent Western there is no really good site WOTP for another high school even though it is needed.


There is five acres of city-owned land that is adjacent to the old Hardy School that is not part of the Lab School lease. Currently it is a very-lightly used DPR rec center. A school could be build there and when the Lab lease expires in eight years the campuses could be combined.


The playground in fact is very well used by the neighborhood. Where woukd you purpose to relocate it? Too bad about the Ellington site. DCPS has made some stupid decisions there, but unfortunately that ship has sailed.
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Anonymous wrote:There are areas in much more need of a new middle school. hardy is good school compared to nearly every other middle school.


Exactly. That's why the opportunity to attend Hardy OOB should not be taken away from families whose local MSs are failing by having IB families push them out. Instead, build another MS for IB families and let Hardy remain a city-wide MS.


It makes lots of sense. Most IB families don't want to attend Hardy. And many Hardy OOB families don't want too many IB families lest that reduce Hardy's important value as a better middle school option for OOB students (and a number of OOB families are tired of the IB carping and not exactly thrilled with the changes necessary to attract lots more IB families). And while IB families are down on Hardy, it is a much, much better alternative for many OOB families whose "local" middle schools are total crap. A new middle school WOTP would meet the needs of both communities.
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That is a crazy idea! I think the IB families should work to make the school better. If you build a new school, the same thing could happen- IB kids won't attend. Hardy would be a great school if IB kids attended.
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I think the principal needs to get rid of the uniforms and more proactively recruit community IB members. It would turn around within 3 years, so fast. Don't build yet another school. That just perpetuates the whole IB/OOB situation which is not how most school systems are run.
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Anonymous wrote:I think the principal needs to get rid of the uniforms and more proactively recruit community IB members. It would turn around within 3 years, so fast. Don't build yet another school. That just perpetuates the whole IB/OOB situation which is not how most school systems are run.


Most school systems are run on a neighborhood or geographic basis. DC pays lip service to neighborhood schools but in reality has drifted far from that model. Hearst is basically a city-wide (more accurately EOTP) school that happens to be located WOTP. It is shunned by its WOTP cachement area. Something has to be done to address this problem.
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Anonymous wrote:I think the principal needs to get rid of the uniforms and more proactively recruit community IB members. It would turn around within 3 years, so fast. Don't build yet another school. That just perpetuates the whole IB/OOB situation which is not how most school systems are run.


I live IB and prefer the uniforms. So there are different views. The reason our neighbors don't send their kids to Hardy is more about need to be at a private they believe impresses their law firm partners than anything else. The folks clamoring for a changed Hardy are subject to the usual forces that drive movement away from the city. Small houses and growing families. Better test results at suburban schools. Crime issues. Taxes. Need to have instate tuition at good university. Except some have enough $ to work around these issues that otherwise grow in importance as families grow in age and size. The vast majority of that group fit the second sentence above. So yeah I'm doubtful about any major changes at Hardy. Let's be real and work with what we have.
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How bad is Hardy really? If I'm not a racist and am OK with uniforms, wouldn't my kid get something good out of the smaller setting? Wilson seems like such a clamorous echo chamber.
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