So how many IB are going to really be at Hardy?

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Anonymous wrote:My house was in bounds for Deal forever, and this year some social engineering bureaucrats decided that my kids should go to Hardy. Is it fair that we be forced to sell our home to maintain the same quality of education that we would have had before?

How is redistricting an area away from an overcrowded school "social engineering"??

Because the only plausible explanation for the criteria used to determine which areas would be redistricted away is social engineering.

They had to redistrict. No choice. Taking racial diversity into account when determining which areas to redistrict does not sound like social engineering to me. But whatever, its an in word these days.

It is called gerrymandering when we talk about voting rights. This kind of "social engineering" - to create racial diversity - sounds illegal? And how did they add black kids? They just cut a whole ton of them out of Wilson........ And there are already plenty of black kids at Hardy...... You may zone more white kids for Hardy but you cannot make them go....

PS to the WOTP poster with the superiority complex. Get over yourself. And more importantly, shut up. Guys, I have to think that post was a bad joke or a troll. No one is THAT stupid and no one who is on DCUM is that clueless.....

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Anonymous wrote:Wow-- this thread is 91 pages long! Way more than the number of IB residents at Hardy probably.

Depends whether you count as IB just kids who live IB or kids who attended feeder schools. For the former, you'd only need roughly 40 pages. For the latter, nobody here really knows how many pages, those who do know aren't talking, but a lot of people think it's more pages than last year.

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Anonymous wrote:To all those OOB parents with an inferiority complex because they live eotp, get over it! It's clear that you recognize wotp is better...at least for schooling your dc. The bar is lower eotp - simple as that. If you want to stop feeling so much internal shame just move wotp and be done with it. Remember that feeling of excitement you got when your kid got into an oob school? Remember that and just be grateful you you have this opportunity wotp.

I'm an IB Hardy parent and I want to distance myself from this poster immediately. She speaks for no one but herself.

Ha ha, this person is hilarious! Speaking as an EotP parent, I just have to laugh at the notion that the previous poster really believes that we feel shame for living there. So deluded! Don't worry, IB Hardy parent, this person is uniquely odd - no worry of me anyway assuming the crazy one speaks for other WotP parents.

The PP is right, though. This entire thread boils down to a bunch of EOTP families defending their access to a WOTP neighborhood middle school. Hardy has turned into a charter school with a neighborhood preference.

So enroll your kid and it won't be one anymore. Literally no one is stopping you. How do you think all those EotP kids originally got in OOB? Because the school was abandoned by the IB families! And that's what's so hilarious now -- that a few IB posters are whining about the big bad EotP families who somehow are standing at the doorway swinging ax handles at them to keep them from enrolling in Hardy.

Sheesh! If you want to blame someone, blame those chickenshit IB families from decades ago who didn't enroll. They're the ones who left the space for other families to attend.

But don't blame the crack fueled dc government of the time that failed its residents by providing horrible schools! I bet even the pompous pp would have been too chickenshit to enroll the kiddos.

Pp here. Oh no, you can blame the dc government too. I have no problem with that. By why blame the people who send their kids OOB to a school that has the space for them? There is no crack-fueled DC government trying to keep you out (unless you know something about Muriel Bowser that I don't). And again, the current OOB families are not standing at the door brandishing an axe handle trying to keep you out. They're too busy leading their own lives to give you much thought. FWIW I sent my kid to Hardy in the mid 2000s and she and her friends survived and went on to good colleges.

If you don't want to send your kid to Hardy, don't. I completely understand that. It's not for everyone. But have the gonads to take responsibility for your decision and stop blaming the people who were not afraid to take a spot that the previous IB families didn't want.

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Anonymous wrote:To all those OOB parents with an inferiority complex because they live eotp, get over it! It's clear that you recognize wotp is better...at least for schooling your dc. The bar is lower eotp - simple as that. If you want to stop feeling so much internal shame just move wotp and be done with it. Remember that feeling of excitement you got when your kid got into an oob school? Remember that and just be grateful you you have this opportunity wotp.

I'm an IB Hardy parent and I want to distance myself from this poster immediately. She speaks for no one but herself.

Ha ha, this person is hilarious! Speaking as an EotP parent, I just have to laugh at the notion that the previous poster really believes that we feel shame for living there. So deluded! Don't worry, IB Hardy parent, this person is uniquely odd - no worry of me anyway assuming the crazy one speaks for other WotP parents.

The PP is right, though. This entire thread boils down to a bunch of EOTP families defending their access to a WOTP neighborhood middle school. Hardy has turned into a charter school with a neighborhood preference.

So enroll your kid and it won't be one anymore. Literally no one is stopping you. How do you think all those EotP kids originally got in OOB? Because the school was abandoned by the IB families! And that's what's so hilarious now -- that a few IB posters are whining about the big bad EotP families who somehow are standing at the doorway swinging ax handles at them to keep them from enrolling in Hardy.

Sheesh! If you want to blame someone, blame those chickenshit IB families from decades ago who didn't enroll. They're the ones who left the space for other families to attend.

Uh, no.

There are no "IB families from decades ago who didn't enroll."

Hardy has only been at its current location for 18 years, before that it was on Foxhall Road and was a small, "boutique" neighborhood school. Even after the move to Burleith it was still a neighborhood school. What killed it as a neighborhood school was moving to Hamilton Education Campus in Northeast from 2005 to 2008 while it was renovated. At that time anyone who wanted to could go to Deal or Latin (which at that time was located in AU Park), and literally all of the IB Hardy kids went to one of those two rather than commute 40 minutes across the city. In the life of a middle school, three years is a generation. When Hardy moved back, it had been reconstituted as an OOB school, and the principal found he liked it that way. That wasn't really a problem as long as there were seats for everyone at Deal and Latin. Things didn't start heating up at Hardy until a few years later, when very quickly both schools filled up and the focus turned to Hardy.

If anyone is to blame, it's DCPS for creating this mess, and the parents for letting them.

Granted, I don't know the history of the school at its former location on Foxhall Road. You got me there. I'm guessing that it was full of IB families from what you are saying?

But you are completely wrong about Hardy being a neighborhood school before the move to Hamilton. It was highly OOB -- maybe 70% is what I heard when my daughter attended the year before the move to Hamilton. So, yes, the IB families abandoned the school before any move to Hamilton. I don't know when they left or why they left -- all I know is that they had chosen not to attend by that point in time so other people in search of a good education from outside the neighborhood took their place. And now those families that were looking for the best education they could get for their children are being treated in this thread by a few posters as if they are a powerful cabal scheming to keep IB families out of the school. Yeah right.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow-- this thread is 91 pages long! Way more than the number of IB residents at Hardy probably.

Depends whether you count as IB just kids who live IB or kids who attended feeder schools. For the former, you'd only need roughly 40 pages. For the latter, nobody here really knows how many pages, those who do know aren't talking, but a lot of people think it's more pages than last year.

Great comic relief, pps! Thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:Wow-- this thread is 91 pages long! Way more than the number of IB residents at Hardy probably.

Depends whether you count as IB just kids who live IB or kids who attended feeder schools. For the former, you'd only need roughly 40 pages. For the latter, nobody here really knows how many pages, those who do know aren't talking, but a lot of people think it's more pages than last year.

An OOB student who attends a feeder is still OOB.

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Anonymous wrote:To all those OOB parents with an inferiority complex because they live eotp, get over it! It's clear that you recognize wotp is better...at least for schooling your dc. The bar is lower eotp - simple as that. If you want to stop feeling so much internal shame just move wotp and be done with it. Remember that feeling of excitement you got when your kid got into an oob school? Remember that and just be grateful you you have this opportunity wotp.

I'm an IB Hardy parent and I want to distance myself from this poster immediately. She speaks for no one but herself.

Ha ha, this person is hilarious! Speaking as an EotP parent, I just have to laugh at the notion that the previous poster really believes that we feel shame for living there. So deluded! Don't worry, IB Hardy parent, this person is uniquely odd - no worry of me anyway assuming the crazy one speaks for other WotP parents.

The PP is right, though. This entire thread boils down to a bunch of EOTP families defending their access to a WOTP neighborhood middle school. Hardy has turned into a charter school with a neighborhood preference.

So enroll your kid and it won't be one anymore. Literally no one is stopping you. How do you think all those EotP kids originally got in OOB? Because the school was abandoned by the IB families! And that's what's so hilarious now -- that a few IB posters are whining about the big bad EotP families who somehow are standing at the doorway swinging ax handles at them to keep them from enrolling in Hardy.

Sheesh! If you want to blame someone, blame those chickenshit IB families from decades ago who didn't enroll. They're the ones who left the space for other families to attend.

Uh, no.

There are no "IB families from decades ago who didn't enroll."

Hardy has only been at its current location for 18 years, before that it was on Foxhall Road and was a small, "boutique" neighborhood school. Even after the move to Burleith it was still a neighborhood school. What killed it as a neighborhood school was moving to Hamilton Education Campus in Northeast from 2005 to 2008 while it was renovated. At that time anyone who wanted to could go to Deal or Latin (which at that time was located in AU Park), and literally all of the IB Hardy kids went to one of those two rather than commute 40 minutes across the city. In the life of a middle school, three years is a generation. When Hardy moved back, it had been reconstituted as an OOB school, and the principal found he liked it that way. That wasn't really a problem as long as there were seats for everyone at Deal and Latin. Things didn't start heating up at Hardy until a few years later, when very quickly both schools filled up and the focus turned to Hardy.

If anyone is to blame, it's DCPS for creating this mess, and the parents for letting them.

Granted, I don't know the history of the school at its former location on Foxhall Road. You got me there. I'm guessing that it was full of IB families from what you are saying?

But you are completely wrong about Hardy being a neighborhood school before the move to Hamilton. It was highly OOB -- maybe 70% is what I heard when my daughter attended the year before the move to Hamilton. So, yes, the IB families abandoned the school before any move to Hamilton. I don't know when they left or why they left -- all I know is that they had chosen not to attend by that point in time so other people in search of a good education from outside the neighborhood took their place. And now those families that were looking for the best education they could get for their children are being treated in this thread by a few posters as if they are a powerful cabal scheming to keep IB families out of the school. Yeah right.

The best solution is to build a new WOTP middle school as council members and others have proposed. There are s large number of WOTP kids who are shut out of Deal and whose parents think Hardy is very lacking. At the same time there is a significant school community that thinks Hardy in its current state is lovely. If DCPS were so how to convince All of the IB families to go to Hardy (a tall order). you would then displace a large number of OOB students and families who depend on Hardy. The way to maximize satisfaction for the most number of families is to build that new WOTP middle school.

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There are areas in much more need of a new middle school. hardy is good school compared to nearly every other middle school.

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Wouldn't dropping the uniforms be one step prior to opening a new school? I think that is pretty ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:There are areas in much more need of a new middle school. hardy is good school compared to nearly every other middle school.

Exactly. That's why the opportunity to attend Hardy OOB should not be taken away from families whose local MSs are failing by having IB families push them out. Instead, build another MS for IB families and let Hardy remain a city-wide MS.

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Anonymous wrote:There are areas in much more need of a new middle school. hardy is good school compared to nearly every other middle school.

Exactly. That's why the opportunity to attend Hardy OOB should not be taken away from families whose local MSs are failing by having IB families push them out. Instead, build another MS for IB families and let Hardy remain a city-wide MS.

That is pretty circular logic.

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Anonymous wrote:There are areas in much more need of a new middle school. hardy is good school compared to nearly every other middle school.

Exactly. That's why the opportunity to attend Hardy OOB should not be taken away from families whose local MSs are failing by having IB families push them out. Instead, build another MS for IB families and let Hardy remain a city-wide MS.

That is pretty circular logic.

How so, PP? Do you really think that a new MS in an area of the city that is much more in need would be of the same caliber as Hardy?

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Anonymous wrote:There are areas in much more need of a new middle school. hardy is good school compared to nearly every other middle school.

Exactly. That's why the opportunity to attend Hardy OOB should not be taken away from families whose local MSs are failing by having IB families push them out. Instead, build another MS for IB families and let Hardy remain a city-wide MS.

Hardy - the school only for kids whose parents are willing and able to drive them across across town to get a decent education.

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So where does the new middle school go? in ward 3?

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Anonymous wrote:There are areas in much more need of a new middle school. hardy is good school compared to nearly every other middle school.

Exactly. That's why the opportunity to attend Hardy OOB should not be taken away from families whose local MSs are failing by having IB families push them out. Instead, build another MS for IB families and let Hardy remain a city-wide MS.

Hardy - the school only for kids whose parents are willing and able to drive them across across town to get a decent education.

Ding. Ding. Ding, We ave a winner!

The OOB population at Hardy (almost 90% of the total population) consists of kids from families that value education enough to schlep across town for a chance at a decent one.

Care to guess what would happen if DCPS relocated the Hardy building, staff, and students to Anacostia?