Cops in TX tackle & block desperate parents, while they let shooter rampage thru the school

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Anonymous wrote:In the video when the killer comes in the door you watch it close and you hear it lock/. Sorry I don’t buy the narrative that it wasn’t propped open. That teacher certainly holds blame for this tragedy!

Investigators have confirmed that there is security video showing that the door was closed after the teacher returned to the building.

If it was a self locking door then how did the shooter get in?

Are we really doing this again Ted Cruz?

It malfunctioned.

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Anonymous wrote:This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

When you realize that you personally might actually die.

And yet we require 18 year olds to register for the selective service. And they could be called up after high school graduation and shipped to a foreign country against their will and handed the same weapons and ordered into the line of fire. And we allow other 18 year olds to commit to being sent to war, no excuses. We expect it of soldiers. And if our Army turns tail and runs, that’s very bad as well. We also expect it of police, many of whom are older and all of whom knew going in this was a possibility.

And here’s something else to think about. Unconscious bias is a powerful thing. If this were a classroom full of UMC white kids, 77 minutes would not have elapsed.

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Anonymous wrote:Every time more information comes out about this it is more infuriating. I wish they could bring criminal charges against the police in charge. These families must just constantly be retraumatized by how many times their little children could have been saved.

Police have no legal duty to save lives.

You are correct. But it is still hard to accept that they stood around inside the school for over an hour (with at least one LEO checking their phone for score updates or whatever) and did...nothing. I mean, at minimum they could have stepped aside and let parents who wanted to retrieve their kids go in and do so--at their own risk. Regardless of what happens to these specific LEOs (nothing, I'm sure), the overall image of LEOs has forever been tarnished in the eyes of the public.

Please provide evidence the officer in question was checking scores. I’ll be waiting.

So many Chairborne rangers here with zero police training; who want to abolish all guns and have never handed a weapon or been in a combat situation who want to just blame the cops and stomp their feet and offer no viable position of how they would have done different.

So easy yet cowardly to be an armchair after the fact quarterback.

The cops in Uvalde WERE trained for this specific situation and plenty of LEOs with actual experience have been speaking out regularly about how the Uvalde police failed at nearly every step of the way.

So you can call us cowardly all you want for pointing out the obvious deficiencies in the police response, but the real cowards are the trained, heavily-armed men with protective gear who stood there for over an hour while a single gunman slaughtered kids a short distance away.

The kids were slaughtered in the first two minutes when the shooter fired 100 rounds.

Really? How do you know? Because this article with a very detailed timeline bolstered by actual evidence show that the gunman was still shooting more than 10 minutes after his initial shots. He started shooting around 11:34am--"The gunman fired shots at least three more times — at 11:40 a.m., 11:44 a.m., and 12:21 p.m. — but officers held their positions. That was true even as more police filed in and four ballistic shields were carried into the building over the next 40 minutes.'"

Why was the gunman still shooting up to 45 minutes after his initial shots if everyone was already dead?

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/20/uvalde-police-shooting-response-records/

How can dead kids be calling 911 from inside the classroom?

Kids were not the only ones calling. Eva Mirales, one of the two teachers that was killed called her husband--who was an officer and was on the scene--to tell him she was injured. Her husband was disarmed and prevented from going to help her.

According to McCraw, Mireles called her husband, officer Ruben Ruiz, from her classroom during the rampage. She allegedly told him that "she had been shot and was dying. And what happened to him, is he tried to move forward into the hallway," McCraw testified. "He was detained and they took his gun away from him and escorted him off the scene."

Some of the calls were from kids.

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I can't get over the hand sanitizer and fist bumps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

When you realize that you personally might actually die.

And yet we require 18 year olds to register for the selective service. And they could be called up after high school graduation and shipped to a foreign country against their will and handed the same weapons and ordered into the line of fire. And we allow other 18 year olds to commit to being sent to war, no excuses. We expect it of soldiers. And if our Army turns tail and runs, that’s very bad as well. We also expect it of police, many of whom are older and all of whom knew going in this was a possibility.

And here’s something else to think about. Unconscious bias is a powerful thing. If this were a classroom full of UMC white kids, 77 minutes would not have elapsed.

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About your last comment. The political pressure from parents alone would have had cops in the room much quicker if there were UMC white kids. Imagine this happening at a private school? Never would 77 minutes elapse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

When you realize that you personally might actually die.

And yet we require 18 year olds to register for the selective service. And they could be called up after high school graduation and shipped to a foreign country against their will and handed the same weapons and ordered into the line of fire. And we allow other 18 year olds to commit to being sent to war, no excuses. We expect it of soldiers. And if our Army turns tail and runs, that’s very bad as well. We also expect it of police, many of whom are older and all of whom knew going in this was a possibility.

And here’s something else to think about. Unconscious bias is a powerful thing. If this were a classroom full of UMC white kids, 77 minutes would not have elapsed.

+1

About your last comment. The political pressure from parents alone would have had cops in the room much quicker if there were UMC white kids. Imagine this happening at a private school? Never would 77 minutes elapse.

That is the most racist thing you could ever say. You know nothing about Uvalde at all.

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How can dead kids be calling 911 from inside the classroom?

The kids who’ve been interviewed were survivors in the first classroom! Pay attention.

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How can dead kids be calling 911 from inside the classroom?

The kids who’ve been interviewed were survivors in the first classroom! Pay attention.

You pay attention. There were kids in the classroom calling 911 asking for help who later died.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the video when the killer comes in the door you watch it close and you hear it lock/. Sorry I don’t buy the narrative that it wasn’t propped open. That teacher certainly holds blame for this tragedy!

Investigators have confirmed that there is security video showing that the door was closed after the teacher returned to the building.

If it was a self locking door then how did the shooter get in?

Are we really doing this again Ted Cruz?

It malfunctioned.

The answer *is not* whether or not doors function properly. The answer *IS NOT* fortifying schools. Those answers basically give in to the mentally deranged criminals and take away our safety and wellbeing.

The RIGHT answer is to make sure that criminals and nutjobs are not allowed to obtain guns.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

When you realize that you personally might actually die.

And yet we require 18 year olds to register for the selective service. And they could be called up after high school graduation and shipped to a foreign country against their will and handed the same weapons and ordered into the line of fire. And we allow other 18 year olds to commit to being sent to war, no excuses. We expect it of soldiers. And if our Army turns tail and runs, that’s very bad as well. We also expect it of police, many of whom are older and all of whom knew going in this was a possibility.

And here’s something else to think about. Unconscious bias is a powerful thing. If this were a classroom full of UMC white kids, 77 minutes would not have elapsed.

+1

About your last comment. The political pressure from parents alone would have had cops in the room much quicker if there were UMC white kids. Imagine this happening at a private school? Never would 77 minutes elapse.

That is the most racist thing you could ever say. You know nothing about Uvalde at all.

DP It is not racist to point out racism. If this had happened a Sidwell or Choate do you think the police response would be different- yes. Would the police still be lying about what happened - no. Would meaningful gun restrict be in place- yes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the video when the killer comes in the door you watch it close and you hear it lock/. Sorry I don’t buy the narrative that it wasn’t propped open. That teacher certainly holds blame for this tragedy!

Investigators have confirmed that there is security video showing that the door was closed after the teacher returned to the building.

If it was a self locking door then how did the shooter get in?

Are we really doing this again Ted Cruz?

It malfunctioned.

The answer *is not* whether or not doors function properly. The answer *IS NOT* fortifying schools. Those answers basically give in to the mentally deranged criminals and take away our safety and wellbeing.

The RIGHT answer is to make sure that criminals and nutjobs are not allowed to obtain guns.

So the lock on the outer door did not work. The locks on the classroom doors can only be locked from outside the classrooms. Fortifying a position is used to slow and funnel people to areas. If people who are guarding fail to show up or take action all the fortifications are useless. This is what happen here. Just like it happen to the French in WW2. Police failed and conservatives failed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

When you realize that you personally might actually die.

And yet we require 18 year olds to register for the selective service. And they could be called up after high school graduation and shipped to a foreign country against their will and handed the same weapons and ordered into the line of fire. And we allow other 18 year olds to commit to being sent to war, no excuses. We expect it of soldiers. And if our Army turns tail and runs, that’s very bad as well. We also expect it of police, many of whom are older and all of whom knew going in this was a possibility.

And here’s something else to think about. Unconscious bias is a powerful thing. If this were a classroom full of UMC white kids, 77 minutes would not have elapsed.

+1

About your last comment. The political pressure from parents alone would have had cops in the room much quicker if there were UMC white kids. Imagine this happening at a private school? Never would 77 minutes elapse.

That is the most racist thing you could ever say. You know nothing about Uvalde at all.

DP It is not racist to point out racism. If this had happened a Sidwell or Choate do you think the police response would be different- yes. Would the police still be lying about what happened - no. Would meaningful gun restrict be in place- yes.

While I agree it is not racist to point out racism. I don’t think if the kids were UMC white, it would have been a different outcome on gun control. Our country did nothing after Sandy Hook, which was a white community. Sorry, I mean to say our country did not pass meaningful gun legislation after Sandy Hook. What our country did do is watch as Sandy Hook parents were harassed and further traumatized by conspiracy theorists. The big takeaway from Sandy Hook is that the GOP DGAF about kids dying; they care about people owning guns. They forgot that the Constitution also talks about domestic tranquility, general welfare etc, too. They focus on the rights of militias (oath keepers, proud boys, and 3%) to own guns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the video when the killer comes in the door you watch it close and you hear it lock/. Sorry I don’t buy the narrative that it wasn’t propped open. That teacher certainly holds blame for this tragedy!

Investigators have confirmed that there is security video showing that the door was closed after the teacher returned to the building.

If it was a self locking door then how did the shooter get in?

Are we really doing this again Ted Cruz?

It malfunctioned.

The answer *is not* whether or not doors function properly. The answer *IS NOT* fortifying schools. Those answers basically give in to the mentally deranged criminals and take away our safety and wellbeing.

The RIGHT answer is to make sure that criminals and nutjobs are not allowed to obtain guns.

So the lock on the outer door did not work. The locks on the classroom doors can only be locked from outside the classrooms. Fortifying a position is used to slow and funnel people to areas. If people who are guarding fail to show up or take action all the fortifications are useless. This is what happen here. Just like it happen to the French in WW2. Police failed and conservatives failed.

The Texas law enforcement report already said that the Uvalde shooter would've been easily able to shoot out the window next to the door and open the door from the outside, if the door had not malfunctioned. He had already fired at the building multiple times. He was single-mindedly determined to get inside.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

When you realize that you personally might actually die.

And yet we require 18 year olds to register for the selective service. And they could be called up after high school graduation and shipped to a foreign country against their will and handed the same weapons and ordered into the line of fire. And we allow other 18 year olds to commit to being sent to war, no excuses. We expect it of soldiers. And if our Army turns tail and runs, that’s very bad as well. We also expect it of police, many of whom are older and all of whom knew going in this was a possibility.

And here’s something else to think about. Unconscious bias is a powerful thing. If this were a classroom full of UMC white kids, 77 minutes would not have elapsed.

+1

About your last comment. The political pressure from parents alone would have had cops in the room much quicker if there were UMC white kids. Imagine this happening at a private school? Never would 77 minutes elapse.

That is the most racist thing you could ever say. You know nothing about Uvalde at all.

DP It is not racist to point out racism. If this had happened a Sidwell or Choate do you think the police response would be different- yes. Would the police still be lying about what happened - no. Would meaningful gun restrict be in place- yes.

Sandy Hook was predominantly white in a well off community, correct? And yet, no change to gun laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the video when the killer comes in the door you watch it close and you hear it lock/. Sorry I don’t buy the narrative that it wasn’t propped open. That teacher certainly holds blame for this tragedy!

Investigators have confirmed that there is security video showing that the door was closed after the teacher returned to the building.

If it was a self locking door then how did the shooter get in?

Are we really doing this again Ted Cruz?

It malfunctioned.

The answer *is not* whether or not doors function properly. The answer *IS NOT* fortifying schools. Those answers basically give in to the mentally deranged criminals and take away our safety and wellbeing.

The RIGHT answer is to make sure that criminals and nutjobs are not allowed to obtain guns.

So the lock on the outer door did not work. The locks on the classroom doors can only be locked from outside the classrooms. Fortifying a position is used to slow and funnel people to areas. If people who are guarding fail to show up or take action all the fortifications are useless. This is what happen here. Just like it happen to the French in WW2. Police failed and conservatives failed.

The Texas law enforcement report already said that the Uvalde shooter would've been easily able to shoot out the window next to the door and open the door from the outside, if the door had not malfunctioned. He had already fired at the building multiple times. He was single-mindedly determined to get inside.

This.
Every door at my child’s elementary school either has a window next to it, or a window in the door.. Exterior doors, classroom doors, cafeteria, gym, they’re all the same. Locks aren't going to stop someone with an AR-15 and a determination to get inside.
It’s the guns.