FCPS is turning the new high school purchased to fix crowding into an Aviation magnet school instead of a high school??

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Anonymous wrote:Curious, and not debating here, but any Crossfield parents have an idea of what % of that ES actually has the long commutes to Oakton? I only ask because it seems like based on the boundary map there's a large portion of Crossfield on the Eastern end that's actually "relatively" close to Oakton. Any thought on if they end up entertaining splitting Crossfield ES between KAA/SLHS and Oakton? I feel like geographically if you sent ALL of Crossfield to KAA/SLHS, you'd end up with 40 minute commutes going from the Eastern end of Crossfield all the way to KAA/SLHS.

Most of Crossfield lives in Franklin Farm and the neighborhoods west of West Ox Rd. A small portion lives in Folkstone, they are still closer to KAA than to Oakton, but I think some of them may have an Oakton address. One neighborhood lives in Reston and they are already zoned to Hughes/South Lakes. So yes, it's possible that they could split Crossfield so that neighborhoods west of West Ox go to KAA and neighborhoods east of West Ox go to South Lakes or remain at Oakton but that seems unlikely. It seems like most board members have removed the "long bus rides to Oakton" from their language about why we need a western high school, so Crossfield is unlikely to get moved to KAA.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious, and not debating here, but any Crossfield parents have an idea of what % of that ES actually has the long commutes to Oakton? I only ask because it seems like based on the boundary map there's a large portion of Crossfield on the Eastern end that's actually "relatively" close to Oakton. Any thought on if they end up entertaining splitting Crossfield ES between KAA/SLHS and Oakton? I feel like geographically if you sent ALL of Crossfield to KAA/SLHS, you'd end up with 40 minute commutes going from the Eastern end of Crossfield all the way to KAA/SLHS.

Most of Crossfield lives in Franklin Farm and the neighborhoods west of West Ox Rd. A small portion lives in Folkstone, they are still closer to KAA than to Oakton, but I think some of them may have an Oakton address. One neighborhood lives in Reston and they are already zoned to Hughes/South Lakes. So yes, it's possible that they could split Crossfield so that neighborhoods west of West Ox go to KAA and neighborhoods east of West Ox go to South Lakes or remain at Oakton but that seems unlikely. It seems like most board members have removed the "long bus rides to Oakton" from their language about why we need a western high school, so Crossfield is unlikely to get moved to KAA.

I don’t see why all of Crossfield, or any ES for that matter, would or would not have to get moved together. It’s not like all of Crossfield and many other ES’s all go to the same HS anyway. If they can manage to have KAA be made up of kids from only two middle schools (Carson and Franklin) that would be pretty good. Simplest way to do that is to take some of the ES kids from the edges of other HS maps that are already zoned (or could easily be moved) to one of those middle schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious, and not debating here, but any Crossfield parents have an idea of what % of that ES actually has the long commutes to Oakton? I only ask because it seems like based on the boundary map there's a large portion of Crossfield on the Eastern end that's actually "relatively" close to Oakton. Any thought on if they end up entertaining splitting Crossfield ES between KAA/SLHS and Oakton? I feel like geographically if you sent ALL of Crossfield to KAA/SLHS, you'd end up with 40 minute commutes going from the Eastern end of Crossfield all the way to KAA/SLHS.

Most of Crossfield lives in Franklin Farm and the neighborhoods west of West Ox Rd. A small portion lives in Folkstone, they are still closer to KAA than to Oakton, but I think some of them may have an Oakton address. One neighborhood lives in Reston and they are already zoned to Hughes/South Lakes. So yes, it's possible that they could split Crossfield so that neighborhoods west of West Ox go to KAA and neighborhoods east of West Ox go to South Lakes or remain at Oakton but that seems unlikely. It seems like most board members have removed the "long bus rides to Oakton" from their language about why we need a western high school, so Crossfield is unlikely to get moved to KAA.

I think Frisch and McDaniel both brought it up at the last work session on KAA. I'm not sure why it would be as big of an issue for others.

They'd like to offer those Oakton families a longer commute but the issues are (1) whether most of those families actually want to leave Oakton, an established school; and (2) whether KAA will have space. Crossfield isn't in the top 4 schools likely to move to KAA, so after that it's a crap shoot.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious, and not debating here, but any Crossfield parents have an idea of what % of that ES actually has the long commutes to Oakton? I only ask because it seems like based on the boundary map there's a large portion of Crossfield on the Eastern end that's actually "relatively" close to Oakton. Any thought on if they end up entertaining splitting Crossfield ES between KAA/SLHS and Oakton? I feel like geographically if you sent ALL of Crossfield to KAA/SLHS, you'd end up with 40 minute commutes going from the Eastern end of Crossfield all the way to KAA/SLHS.

Most of Crossfield lives in Franklin Farm and the neighborhoods west of West Ox Rd. A small portion lives in Folkstone, they are still closer to KAA than to Oakton, but I think some of them may have an Oakton address. One neighborhood lives in Reston and they are already zoned to Hughes/South Lakes. So yes, it's possible that they could split Crossfield so that neighborhoods west of West Ox go to KAA and neighborhoods east of West Ox go to South Lakes or remain at Oakton but that seems unlikely. It seems like most board members have removed the "long bus rides to Oakton" from their language about why we need a western high school, so Crossfield is unlikely to get moved to KAA.

I don’t see why all of Crossfield, or any ES for that matter, would or would not have to get moved together. It’s not like all of Crossfield and many other ES’s all go to the same HS anyway. If they can manage to have KAA be made up of kids from only two middle schools (Carson and Franklin) that would be pretty good. Simplest way to do that is to take some of the ES kids from the edges of other HS maps that are already zoned (or could easily be moved) to one of those middle schools.

Huh? You mean a street or two from cohesive neighborhoods? Sure, Jan.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious, and not debating here, but any Crossfield parents have an idea of what % of that ES actually has the long commutes to Oakton? I only ask because it seems like based on the boundary map there's a large portion of Crossfield on the Eastern end that's actually "relatively" close to Oakton. Any thought on if they end up entertaining splitting Crossfield ES between KAA/SLHS and Oakton? I feel like geographically if you sent ALL of Crossfield to KAA/SLHS, you'd end up with 40 minute commutes going from the Eastern end of Crossfield all the way to KAA/SLHS.

Most of Crossfield lives in Franklin Farm and the neighborhoods west of West Ox Rd. A small portion lives in Folkstone, they are still closer to KAA than to Oakton, but I think some of them may have an Oakton address. One neighborhood lives in Reston and they are already zoned to Hughes/South Lakes. So yes, it's possible that they could split Crossfield so that neighborhoods west of West Ox go to KAA and neighborhoods east of West Ox go to South Lakes or remain at Oakton but that seems unlikely. It seems like most board members have removed the "long bus rides to Oakton" from their language about why we need a western high school, so Crossfield is unlikely to get moved to KAA.

I don’t see why all of Crossfield, or any ES for that matter, would or would not have to get moved together. It’s not like all of Crossfield and many other ES’s all go to the same HS anyway. If they can manage to have KAA be made up of kids from only two middle schools (Carson and Franklin) that would be pretty good. Simplest way to do that is to take some of the ES kids from the edges of other HS maps that are already zoned (or could easily be moved) to one of those middle schools.

Huh? You mean a street or two from cohesive neighborhoods? Sure, Jan.

Do you know the area? There are entire neighborhoods at the edge of a boundary and/or very close to KAA. For example Chantilly Highlands, Franklin Oaks, Middleton Farm. They could keep them all together. It might mean not everyone from an ES goes to the same HS but that’s already the case.

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So wasn’t able to attend tonight’s meeting but seeing in the slides that they moved kids from Westfield to South Lakes to make space at Westfield to move kids in from Centreville to relieve capacity. The move puts South Lakes over 100% capacity and Centreville is still over 100%

Isn’t this the whole point of KAA to relieve Centreville, Westfield and Chantilly? Makes you wonder if Thru were ordered to proceed with completely ignoring KAA and its potential boundaries.

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Anonymous wrote:So wasn’t able to attend tonight’s meeting but seeing in the slides that they moved kids from Westfield to South Lakes to make space at Westfield to move kids in from Centreville to relieve capacity. The move puts South Lakes over 100% capacity and Centreville is still over 100%

Isn’t this the whole point of KAA to relieve Centreville, Westfield and Chantilly? Makes you wonder if Thru were ordered to proceed with completely ignoring KAA and its potential boundaries.

Wonder if they did that in preparation for KAA? For example, the Westfield kids moved to South Lakes may very well get moved to KAA (very likely, I would think). I cannot speak to the Centreville moves.

I also saw they moved more into Chantilly from Fairfax--for the same reason?

Odd because it would seem that they should have gone ahead and put KAA in the mix.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious, and not debating here, but any Crossfield parents have an idea of what % of that ES actually has the long commutes to Oakton? I only ask because it seems like based on the boundary map there's a large portion of Crossfield on the Eastern end that's actually "relatively" close to Oakton. Any thought on if they end up entertaining splitting Crossfield ES between KAA/SLHS and Oakton? I feel like geographically if you sent ALL of Crossfield to KAA/SLHS, you'd end up with 40 minute commutes going from the Eastern end of Crossfield all the way to KAA/SLHS.

Most of Crossfield lives in Franklin Farm and the neighborhoods west of West Ox Rd. A small portion lives in Folkstone, they are still closer to KAA than to Oakton, but I think some of them may have an Oakton address. One neighborhood lives in Reston and they are already zoned to Hughes/South Lakes. So yes, it's possible that they could split Crossfield so that neighborhoods west of West Ox go to KAA and neighborhoods east of West Ox go to South Lakes or remain at Oakton but that seems unlikely. It seems like most board members have removed the "long bus rides to Oakton" from their language about why we need a western high school, so Crossfield is unlikely to get moved to KAA.

I don’t see why all of Crossfield, or any ES for that matter, would or would not have to get moved together. It’s not like all of Crossfield and many other ES’s all go to the same HS anyway. If they can manage to have KAA be made up of kids from only two middle schools (Carson and Franklin) that would be pretty good. Simplest way to do that is to take some of the ES kids from the edges of other HS maps that are already zoned (or could easily be moved) to one of those middle schools.

Huh? You mean a street or two from cohesive neighborhoods? Sure, Jan.

Do you know the area? There are entire neighborhoods at the edge of a boundary and/or very close to KAA. For example Chantilly Highlands, Franklin Oaks, Middleton Farm. They could keep them all together. It might mean not everyone from an ES goes to the same HS but that’s already the case.

Yes, I live in the area, but I was responding to the idea of "feathering." I hope they don't go splitting schools with cohesive neighborhoods unless necessary. Oak Hill has a cohesive neighborhood. All the kids are close to one another--except for the AAP center kids that are bused in.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious, and not debating here, but any Crossfield parents have an idea of what % of that ES actually has the long commutes to Oakton? I only ask because it seems like based on the boundary map there's a large portion of Crossfield on the Eastern end that's actually "relatively" close to Oakton. Any thought on if they end up entertaining splitting Crossfield ES between KAA/SLHS and Oakton? I feel like geographically if you sent ALL of Crossfield to KAA/SLHS, you'd end up with 40 minute commutes going from the Eastern end of Crossfield all the way to KAA/SLHS.

Most of Crossfield lives in Franklin Farm and the neighborhoods west of West Ox Rd. A small portion lives in Folkstone, they are still closer to KAA than to Oakton, but I think some of them may have an Oakton address. One neighborhood lives in Reston and they are already zoned to Hughes/South Lakes. So yes, it's possible that they could split Crossfield so that neighborhoods west of West Ox go to KAA and neighborhoods east of West Ox go to South Lakes or remain at Oakton but that seems unlikely. It seems like most board members have removed the "long bus rides to Oakton" from their language about why we need a western high school, so Crossfield is unlikely to get moved to KAA.

I don’t see why all of Crossfield, or any ES for that matter, would or would not have to get moved together. It’s not like all of Crossfield and many other ES’s all go to the same HS anyway. If they can manage to have KAA be made up of kids from only two middle schools (Carson and Franklin) that would be pretty good. Simplest way to do that is to take some of the ES kids from the edges of other HS maps that are already zoned (or could easily be moved) to one of those middle schools.

Huh? You mean a street or two from cohesive neighborhoods? Sure, Jan.

Do you know the area? There are entire neighborhoods at the edge of a boundary and/or very close to KAA. For example Chantilly Highlands, Franklin Oaks, Middleton Farm. They could keep them all together. It might mean not everyone from an ES goes to the same HS but that’s already the case.

Yes, I live in the area, but I was responding to the idea of "feathering." I hope they don't go splitting schools with cohesive neighborhoods unless necessary. Oak Hill has a cohesive neighborhood. All the kids are close to one another--except for the AAP center kids that are bused in.

Are you trying to say that everyone who goes to Oak Hill ES should get to stay together for MS and HS? Let me guess, you are in Emerald Chase and don't want South Lakes. Kind of tired of hearing about the "specialness" of Oak Hill ES. Boundary lines have to be drawn somewhere. Keeping individual neighborhoods together should be a priority, but no one is entitled to keep their entire school community together indefinitely especially when a new school is coming into the mix.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious, and not debating here, but any Crossfield parents have an idea of what % of that ES actually has the long commutes to Oakton? I only ask because it seems like based on the boundary map there's a large portion of Crossfield on the Eastern end that's actually "relatively" close to Oakton. Any thought on if they end up entertaining splitting Crossfield ES between KAA/SLHS and Oakton? I feel like geographically if you sent ALL of Crossfield to KAA/SLHS, you'd end up with 40 minute commutes going from the Eastern end of Crossfield all the way to KAA/SLHS.

Most of Crossfield lives in Franklin Farm and the neighborhoods west of West Ox Rd. A small portion lives in Folkstone, they are still closer to KAA than to Oakton, but I think some of them may have an Oakton address. One neighborhood lives in Reston and they are already zoned to Hughes/South Lakes. So yes, it's possible that they could split Crossfield so that neighborhoods west of West Ox go to KAA and neighborhoods east of West Ox go to South Lakes or remain at Oakton but that seems unlikely. It seems like most board members have removed the "long bus rides to Oakton" from their language about why we need a western high school, so Crossfield is unlikely to get moved to KAA.

I don’t see why all of Crossfield, or any ES for that matter, would or would not have to get moved together. It’s not like all of Crossfield and many other ES’s all go to the same HS anyway. If they can manage to have KAA be made up of kids from only two middle schools (Carson and Franklin) that would be pretty good. Simplest way to do that is to take some of the ES kids from the edges of other HS maps that are already zoned (or could easily be moved) to one of those middle schools.

Huh? You mean a street or two from cohesive neighborhoods? Sure, Jan.

Do you know the area? There are entire neighborhoods at the edge of a boundary and/or very close to KAA. For example Chantilly Highlands, Franklin Oaks, Middleton Farm. They could keep them all together. It might mean not everyone from an ES goes to the same HS but that’s already the case.

Yes, I live in the area, but I was responding to the idea of "feathering." I hope they don't go splitting schools with cohesive neighborhoods unless necessary. Oak Hill has a cohesive neighborhood. All the kids are close to one another--except for the AAP center kids that are bused in.

Are you trying to say that everyone who goes to Oak Hill ES should get to stay together for MS and HS? Let me guess, you are in Emerald Chase and don't want South Lakes. Kind of tired of hearing about the "specialness" of Oak Hill ES. Boundary lines have to be drawn somewhere. Keeping individual neighborhoods together should be a priority, but no one is entitled to keep their entire school community together indefinitely especially when a new school is coming into the mix.

Nope. Not Emerald Chase.

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Anonymous wrote:So wasn’t able to attend tonight’s meeting but seeing in the slides that they moved kids from Westfield to South Lakes to make space at Westfield to move kids in from Centreville to relieve capacity. The move puts South Lakes over 100% capacity and Centreville is still over 100%

Isn’t this the whole point of KAA to relieve Centreville, Westfield and Chantilly? Makes you wonder if Thru were ordered to proceed with completely ignoring KAA and its potential boundaries.

Wonder if they did that in preparation for KAA? For example, the Westfield kids moved to South Lakes may very well get moved to KAA (very likely, I would think). I cannot speak to the Centreville moves.

I also saw they moved more into Chantilly from Fairfax--for the same reason?

Odd because it would seem that they should have gone ahead and put KAA in the mix.

reid said at the first meeting they will have drafts of KAA boundaries for the open house on 10/25. i bet a lot of things around KAA get changed from scenario 4 to those maps

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While everyone predicts that Floris, McNair, and Coates will move from Westfield to KAA, nobody mentions a secondary impact.

Westfield is currently at capacity (2,800 under Scenario 3 and 2,700 under Scenario 4). If these three elementary schools are reassigned to KAA, Westfield's enrollment would probably drop by about 1,000 students or more, leaving Westfield significantly under capacity.

I expect at least one, or possibly two, elementary schools will be moved from Chantilly or Centreville to Westfield.

Maybe Brookfield?

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Brookfield border abuts right up to Chantilly HS (the strip of Poplar Tree there has no houses, it's just the Chantilly Library property). I'd think Bull Run from Centreville makes more sense - especially since they are having trouble getting the Centreville HS expansion permits approved by the county.
Will the Chantilly HS numbers still be high enough after Oak Hill leaves to justify moving another school out? Seems like they are deferring to not moving people when possible with the latest scenario revisions.

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PP above. Actually, checking both Scenario 3 and 4 the part of Bull Run ES north of 66 is already slated to move into Westfield.

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Anonymous wrote:While everyone predicts that Floris, McNair, and Coates will move from Westfield to KAA, nobody mentions a secondary impact.

Westfield is currently at capacity (2,800 under Scenario 3 and 2,700 under Scenario 4). If these three elementary schools are reassigned to KAA, Westfield's enrollment would probably drop by about 1,000 students or more, leaving Westfield significantly under capacity.

I expect at least one, or possibly two, elementary schools will be moved from Chantilly or Centreville to Westfield.

Maybe Brookfield?

I think Scenario 4 includes the Westfield kids to South Lakes. So, assume no more kids would be needed.