ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The age cutoff is 8/1.

Leagues may choose to allow GY for showcases in recruiting years.

Playing an age group up will be rare and a case by case decision with the player, family, and club. Just like it is now.

There is no debate.

There is no debate.



ECNL and USYS have aligned on an 8/1 cutoff

Leagues already allow GY for HS Seniors. There have been no additional discussions about allowing GY for any other age groups.

ECNL will implement a rule that says under SY (School Year) they wont allow Aug birthdays to play down with a lower grade group even it its "technically" possible.

There is no debate.

Where are you getting that from?

The same place your getting your GY "info".

Why would anyone care about showcases being GY? The purpose is for recruiting and not results. It’s not going to impact team formation at all so if it happens, doesn’t happen, it doesn’t matter.

Tell that to the parents of all the players that are the correct age.

Im sure they'll love giving minutes to an older player that cant get recruited on a team with players their grade.

MLSN already allows older kids to take spots with biobanding and yet families and boys fight to stay on MLSN teams.

The sooner you realize the leagues don’t care about your kid or anyone else’s the better off you will be.

They want college coaches coming because as long as college coaches show up they have a product.

If a kid is getting replaced by a hold back then they probably are not that good anyways.

I would be upset as well if it happened to my kid but if happens to other peoples kid I can care less and that’s the model of ECNL, GA, MLSN. Priorities of recruiting and my kid over your kid.

Biobanding is not equal to holdback. A biobanding player can be two grades higher to take the position of a younger group player. Ex. Q1/Q2 2010 (HS Freshman)bioband down to 2011 group and take Q4 2011 (7th grade) player's position.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From US soccer website

Alignment of Post-Season Play & Standalone Competitions |

It is generally seen that for regular seasons serving as qualifiers for post-season competitions, those seasons should be on the same registration choice as the end-state competition (e.g., national championships); for standalone competitions not part of league play (e.g., showcases), organization members will be responsible for working with the competition organizers on clearly communicating the approved registration choice.

ECNL will be allowed to make showcases based off whatever age groups they want separate from the 8/1 format. I’ve heard ECNL is wanting grad year for showcases Junior/seniors.

All Aug-Dec players who started school early and are young for their grade will be eligible to play 8/1-7/31 league play and nationals however ECNL will not allow them to play in the younger school grade for showcases.
Will be based on grade in school or GY.

So they can be recruited with their graduating class because either they are good enough or they or not.

My friend is a consultant/lawyer that is helping US soccer and he told me what ECNL plans on doing. Based on the plans submitted. This will all be public knowledge at some point late this year or early next year.

What you've written doesn't make sense.

Wildcards include showcase results. This means playoff eligibility depends on showcase results. Since this is the case you can"t have players playing down during showcases. Unless you want to make playing down during any part of the season a thing. Many people seem to think that showcase results are completely separate from league when they're not.

Maybe ECNL should hire someone that understands math instead of a lawyer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From US soccer website

Alignment of Post-Season Play & Standalone Competitions |

It is generally seen that for regular seasons serving as qualifiers for post-season competitions, those seasons should be on the same registration choice as the end-state competition (e.g., national championships); for standalone competitions not part of league play (e.g., showcases), organization members will be responsible for working with the competition organizers on clearly communicating the approved registration choice.

ECNL will be allowed to make showcases based off whatever age groups they want separate from the 8/1 format. I’ve heard ECNL is wanting grad year for showcases Junior/seniors.

All Aug-Dec players who started school early and are young for their grade will be eligible to play 8/1-7/31 league play and nationals however ECNL will not allow them to play in the younger school grade for showcases.
Will be based on grade in school or GY.

So they can be recruited with their graduating class because either they are good enough or they or not.

My friend is a consultant/lawyer that is helping US soccer and he told me what ECNL plans on doing. Based on the plans submitted. This will all be public knowledge at some point late this year or early next year.

What you've written doesn't make sense.

Wildcards include showcase results. This means playoff eligibility depends on showcase results. Since this is the case you can"t have players playing down during showcases. Unless you want to make playing down during any part of the season a thing. Many people seem to think that showcase results are completely separate from league when they're not.

Maybe ECNL should hire someone that understands math instead of a lawyer.

I think you have it backwards. They were saying that league can play down but showcases you have to play with your grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From US soccer website

Alignment of Post-Season Play & Standalone Competitions |

It is generally seen that for regular seasons serving as qualifiers for post-season competitions, those seasons should be on the same registration choice as the end-state competition (e.g., national championships); for standalone competitions not part of league play (e.g., showcases), organization members will be responsible for working with the competition organizers on clearly communicating the approved registration choice.

ECNL will be allowed to make showcases based off whatever age groups they want separate from the 8/1 format. I’ve heard ECNL is wanting grad year for showcases Junior/seniors.

All Aug-Dec players who started school early and are young for their grade will be eligible to play 8/1-7/31 league play and nationals however ECNL will not allow them to play in the younger school grade for showcases.
Will be based on grade in school or GY.

So they can be recruited with their graduating class because either they are good enough or they or not.

My friend is a consultant/lawyer that is helping US soccer and he told me what ECNL plans on doing. Based on the plans submitted. This will all be public knowledge at some point late this year or early next year.

What you've written doesn't make sense.

Wildcards include showcase results. This means playoff eligibility depends on showcase results. Since this is the case you can"t have players playing down during showcases. Unless you want to make playing down during any part of the season a thing. Many people seem to think that showcase results are completely separate from league when they're not.

Maybe ECNL should hire someone that understands math instead of a lawyer.

I think you have it backwards. They were saying that league can play down but showcases you have to play with your grade.

Well thats even more dumb.

So ECNL wants to make sure all players on the field during showcases are the same grade but league games, playoffs, and finels might be 2 grades?

Just make a rule that Aug birthdays can't play down and it will guarantee that all players on the field are the same grade in school at all events. Stop making this so hard and just do what SY+30 guy said from the beginning.

[Anonymous]

Why do we need SY +30 if we are trying to make it all kids in lay in their SY. Just make it SY period. No date. That way Aug and Sept kids that are above the cutoff still can lay “up” with their school year and are in the correct recruiting class. Plain old SY solves everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do we need SY +30 if we are trying to make it all kids in lay in their SY. Just make it SY period. No date. That way Aug and Sept kids that are above the cutoff still can lay “up” with their school year and are in the correct recruiting class. Plain old SY solves everything.

If you have to change from BY to SY I agree with you.

The problem with what you're suggesting is parents will hold back / regrade their kids so they're the biggest and oldest on the team. (16 year old freshman / 20 year old seniors in HS)

So you need a way to only allow players that are a certain grade AND a certain age on the team. This is what SY+30 does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do we need SY +30 if we are trying to make it all kids in lay in their SY. Just make it SY period. No date. That way Aug and Sept kids that are above the cutoff still can lay “up” with their school year and are in the correct recruiting class. Plain old SY solves everything.

If you have to change from BY to SY I agree with you.

The problem with what you're suggesting is parents will hold back / regrade their kids so they're the biggest and oldest on the team. (16 year old freshman / 20 year old seniors in HS)

So you need a way to only allow players that are a certain grade AND a certain age on the team. This is what SY+30 does.

The leagues are run by people that have dedicated their lives to youth soccer, they already have it figured out, don't quit your day job. It may not personal match what you want for your daughter but they have many factors to consider.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do we need SY +30 if we are trying to make it all kids in lay in their SY. Just make it SY period. No date. That way Aug and Sept kids that are above the cutoff still can lay “up” with their school year and are in the correct recruiting class. Plain old SY solves everything.

Yup, back to plain old SY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From US soccer website

Alignment of Post-Season Play & Standalone Competitions |

It is generally seen that for regular seasons serving as qualifiers for post-season competitions, those seasons should be on the same registration choice as the end-state competition (e.g., national championships); for standalone competitions not part of league play (e.g., showcases), organization members will be responsible for working with the competition organizers on clearly communicating the approved registration choice.

ECNL will be allowed to make showcases based off whatever age groups they want separate from the 8/1 format. I’ve heard ECNL is wanting grad year for showcases Junior/seniors.

All Aug-Dec players who started school early and are young for their grade will be eligible to play 8/1-7/31 league play and nationals however ECNL will not allow them to play in the younger school grade for showcases.
Will be based on grade in school or GY.

So they can be recruited with their graduating class because either they are good enough or they or not.

My friend is a consultant/lawyer that is helping US soccer and he told me what ECNL plans on doing. Based on the plans submitted. This will all be public knowledge at some point late this year or early next year.

What you've written doesn't make sense.

Wildcards include showcase results. This means playoff eligibility depends on showcase results. Since this is the case you can"t have players playing down during showcases. Unless you want to make playing down during any part of the season a thing. Many people seem to think that showcase results are completely separate from league when they're not.

Maybe ECNL should hire someone that understands math instead of a lawyer.

If ecnl is going GY for showcases this will change and results will not impact playoffs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From US soccer website

Alignment of Post-Season Play & Standalone Competitions |

It is generally seen that for regular seasons serving as qualifiers for post-season competitions, those seasons should be on the same registration choice as the end-state competition (e.g., national championships); for standalone competitions not part of league play (e.g., showcases), organization members will be responsible for working with the competition organizers on clearly communicating the approved registration choice.

ECNL will be allowed to make showcases based off whatever age groups they want separate from the 8/1 format. I’ve heard ECNL is wanting grad year for showcases Junior/seniors.

All Aug-Dec players who started school early and are young for their grade will be eligible to play 8/1-7/31 league play and nationals however ECNL will not allow them to play in the younger school grade for showcases.
Will be based on grade in school or GY.

So they can be recruited with their graduating class because either they are good enough or they or not.

My friend is a consultant/lawyer that is helping US soccer and he told me what ECNL plans on doing. Based on the plans submitted. This will all be public knowledge at some point late this year or early next year.

What you've written doesn't make sense.

Wildcards include showcase results. This means playoff eligibility depends on showcase results. Since this is the case you can"t have players playing down during showcases. Unless you want to make playing down during any part of the season a thing. Many people seem to think that showcase results are completely separate from league when they're not.

Maybe ECNL should hire someone that understands math instead of a lawyer.

If ecnl is going GY for showcases this will change and results will not impact playoffs.

Yeah, they will be exhibitions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From US soccer website

Alignment of Post-Season Play & Standalone Competitions |

It is generally seen that for regular seasons serving as qualifiers for post-season competitions, those seasons should be on the same registration choice as the end-state competition (e.g., national championships); for standalone competitions not part of league play (e.g., showcases), organization members will be responsible for working with the competition organizers on clearly communicating the approved registration choice.

ECNL will be allowed to make showcases based off whatever age groups they want separate from the 8/1 format. I’ve heard ECNL is wanting grad year for showcases Junior/seniors.

All Aug-Dec players who started school early and are young for their grade will be eligible to play 8/1-7/31 league play and nationals however ECNL will not allow them to play in the younger school grade for showcases.
Will be based on grade in school or GY.

So they can be recruited with their graduating class because either they are good enough or they or not.

My friend is a consultant/lawyer that is helping US soccer and he told me what ECNL plans on doing. Based on the plans submitted. This will all be public knowledge at some point late this year or early next year.

What you've written doesn't make sense.

Wildcards include showcase results. This means playoff eligibility depends on showcase results. Since this is the case you can"t have players playing down during showcases. Unless you want to make playing down during any part of the season a thing. Many people seem to think that showcase results are completely separate from league when they're not.

Maybe ECNL should hire someone that understands math instead of a lawyer.

I think you have it backwards. They were saying that league can play down but showcases you have to play with your grade.

Well thats even more dumb.

So ECNL wants to make sure all players on the field during showcases are the same grade but league games, playoffs, and finels might be 2 grades?

Just make a rule that Aug birthdays can't play down and it will guarantee that all players on the field are the same grade in school at all events. Stop making this so hard and just do what SY+30 guy said from the beginning.

Matches what people have been saying for a awhile. ECNL has set age brackets for the season and goes grade for recruiting time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do we need SY +30 if we are trying to make it all kids in lay in their SY. Just make it SY period. No date. That way Aug and Sept kids that are above the cutoff still can lay “up” with their school year and are in the correct recruiting class. Plain old SY solves everything.

If you have to change from BY to SY I agree with you.

The problem with what you're suggesting is parents will hold back / regrade their kids so they're the biggest and oldest on the team. (16 year old freshman / 20 year old seniors in HS)

So you need a way to only allow players that are a certain grade AND a certain age on the team. This is what SY+30 does.

Except it's not needed ... All you need is to keep a hard 12-month window that allows kids to play up based on ability. There's no reason to prohibit an Aug. bday playing on a team that's a grade below. Now, if you want to play with your grade, that's possible -- but no guarantee as the level of play you might find. What's already out there is enough. Adding SY+30 only creates more problems by limiting people's flexibility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do we need SY +30 if we are trying to make it all kids in lay in their SY. Just make it SY period. No date. That way Aug and Sept kids that are above the cutoff still can lay “up” with their school year and are in the correct recruiting class. Plain old SY solves everything.

If you have to change from BY to SY I agree with you.

The problem with what you're suggesting is parents will hold back / regrade their kids so they're the biggest and oldest on the team. (16 year old freshman / 20 year old seniors in HS)

So you need a way to only allow players that are a certain grade AND a certain age on the team. This is what SY+30 does.

Except it's not needed ... All you need is to keep a hard 12-month window that allows kids to play up based on ability. There's no reason to prohibit an Aug. bday playing on a team that's a grade below. Now, if you want to play with your grade, that's possible -- but no guarantee as the level of play you might find. What's already out there is enough. Adding SY+30 only creates more problems by limiting people's flexibility.

You still dont understand how a calendar works.

8/1 with a rule saying Aug birthdays cant play down is the same thing as SY+30. The difference is enforcement is reactive instead of proactive. What this does is guarantee that all players on the field are a certain grade in school and not older playing down. You get the best of both worlds. No GY nonsense and all players are a certain grade in school during games.

All ECNL has to do is implement a no Aug birthdays playing down rule and their issues are solved.

The person pushing for a "hard 12 month eligibility" whatever will eventually have to capitulate because they're fighting against math. Unfortunately because school districts start at different dates theres just no way to make what they want work the way they want it to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From US soccer website

Alignment of Post-Season Play & Standalone Competitions |

It is generally seen that for regular seasons serving as qualifiers for post-season competitions, those seasons should be on the same registration choice as the end-state competition (e.g., national championships); for standalone competitions not part of league play (e.g., showcases), organization members will be responsible for working with the competition organizers on clearly communicating the approved registration choice.

ECNL will be allowed to make showcases based off whatever age groups they want separate from the 8/1 format. I’ve heard ECNL is wanting grad year for showcases Junior/seniors.

All Aug-Dec players who started school early and are young for their grade will be eligible to play 8/1-7/31 league play and nationals however ECNL will not allow them to play in the younger school grade for showcases.
Will be based on grade in school or GY.

So they can be recruited with their graduating class because either they are good enough or they or not.

My friend is a consultant/lawyer that is helping US soccer and he told me what ECNL plans on doing. Based on the plans submitted. This will all be public knowledge at some point late this year or early next year.

What you've written doesn't make sense.

Wildcards include showcase results. This means playoff eligibility depends on showcase results. Since this is the case you can"t have players playing down during showcases. Unless you want to make playing down during any part of the season a thing. Many people seem to think that showcase results are completely separate from league when they're not.

Maybe ECNL should hire someone that understands math instead of a lawyer.

Reading comprehension not your best skill set.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do we need SY +30 if we are trying to make it all kids in lay in their SY. Just make it SY period. No date. That way Aug and Sept kids that are above the cutoff still can lay “up” with their school year and are in the correct recruiting class. Plain old SY solves everything.

If you have to change from BY to SY I agree with you.

The problem with what you're suggesting is parents will hold back / regrade their kids so they're the biggest and oldest on the team. (16 year old freshman / 20 year old seniors in HS)

So you need a way to only allow players that are a certain grade AND a certain age on the team. This is what SY+30 does.

Except it's not needed ... All you need is to keep a hard 12-month window that allows kids to play up based on ability. There's no reason to prohibit an Aug. bday playing on a team that's a grade below. Now, if you want to play with your grade, that's possible -- but no guarantee as the level of play you might find. What's already out there is enough. Adding SY+30 only creates more problems by limiting people's flexibility.

You still dont understand how a calendar works.

8/1 with a rule saying Aug birthdays cant play down is the same thing as SY+30. The difference is enforcement is reactive instead of proactive. What this does is guarantee that all players on the field are a certain grade in school and not older playing down. You get the best of both worlds. No GY nonsense and all players are a certain grade in school during games.

All ECNL has to do is implement a no Aug birthdays playing down rule and their issues are solved.

The person pushing for a "hard 12 month eligibility" whatever will eventually have to capitulate because they're fighting against math. Unfortunately because school districts start at different dates theres just no way to make what they want work the way they want it to.

You're missing a big world -- the one where families don't want to be forced to play with kids who are older, even if they are in the same grade, for a multitude of reasons having to do what's best for the kid. This entire argument is just like let's go to BY to cater to the YNT. Kids CAN play up and should do so if they are at the highest levels for recruiting purposes. Forcing everyone is just dumb.