Lebanon / Israel

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hezbollah started this on October 8 with its rocket barrages following since then. Israel has fought back. And Israel haters out there seem mad.

I don't hate Israel. I hate its actions. I don't hate Palestinians, but I hate the actions of Hamas 10/7.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From the Washington Post…unfortunately the headline selectively reads the strike was on a Hezbollah leader but it’s clear with 4-6 buildings destroyed this is not selective targeting.

Since it began Monday with a ferocious aerial barrage, Israel’s military operation against Hezbollah has killed more than 700 people in Lebanon and set off a spiraling humanitarian crisis.

It was too early to tell the real toll of Friday’s strike, said Firass Abiad, Lebanon’s health minister. Four to six buildings were “completely demolished,” he added. “We expect fatalities to be high if there were people inside their apartments.

The civilian death toll would be minimal if Hezbollah was not intentionally planting their weapons and leadership into civilian areas.

Is it justifiable to kill hundreds of civilians to decimate the leadership of the Hezbollah? Is it justifiable to potentially kill hundreds of civilians to save tens of thousands?

"War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it."

Be thankful you are not in a position where you must make these decisions.

"Is it justifiable to potentially kill hundreds of civilians to save tens of thousands?
"War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it."
Be thankful you are not in a position where you must make these decisions."

1) Tell me how Israel's killings are saving "tens of thousands". No Israelis are at risk of imminent threat from Hezbollah. Yes, Hezbollah wants to see Israel disappear and has fired rockets into the north of Israel, but (a) Israel has evacuated the residents living there to safe ground and (b) Hezbollah has said they will stop if Israel stops killing in Gaza.

2) If you are all good with "War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it." then you must have sympathy for the actions Hamas took on 10/7 (they too viewed this as war). I don't have any sympathy or support for Hamas.

3) Be thankful I am not in a decision that I MUST make these decisions. There is no MUST here. No one is making Israel make the military decisions they are making. In fact, the US and many other countries are telling them not to.

There is no imminent threat to Israel.

There is actual and live threat, killing, maiming, terrorizing Lebanon, Gaza, and the West Bank.

For sure there is an imminent threat to Israel. Hezbollah has been bombing the north of Israel - this never seems to make the news, but it's unacceptable to live with a chance of a rocket landing on your home at any given time, and this is what Israel is seeking to end. I lived in Israel briefly in 2021 and it was the same with Gaza - the first night of a conflict then, there were 3000 rockets sent from Gaza into Israel. Israel responded (afterwards) and the international headlines were then just all about Israel bombing Gaza. Yes, Israel has the Iron Dome, but it doesn't catch 100 percent of the rockets, and it's very expensive ($50-100k per rocket disabled).

Does it matter that individuals in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria, perhaps as far away as Iran find it “unacceptable” that they have to live EVERY MOMENT OF EVERY DAY under imminent fear of Israeli rockets and missiles landing on their homes?

Or are we pretending that only Israeli feelings and expectations matter?

[Anonymous]

No tears shed for Nasrallah. The rest of Lebanon was cheering. Hopefully the military can stabilize the country and boot out the Iranians

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is Israel’s end game here?

Have a cooperative neighbor on its north border, similar to Egypt on its southern border. I predict Israel will help prop up and strengthen Lebanese military in exchange for booting out the Iranians. If I was a Shiite in Lebanon I’d think hard about getting out because the Sunnis and Maronite + Druze Christians have some major grudges and scores to settle.

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Anonymous wrote:From the Washington Post…unfortunately the headline selectively reads the strike was on a Hezbollah leader but it’s clear with 4-6 buildings destroyed this is not selective targeting.

Since it began Monday with a ferocious aerial barrage, Israel’s military operation against Hezbollah has killed more than 700 people in Lebanon and set off a spiraling humanitarian crisis.

It was too early to tell the real toll of Friday’s strike, said Firass Abiad, Lebanon’s health minister. Four to six buildings were “completely demolished,” he added. “We expect fatalities to be high if there were people inside their apartments.

The civilian death toll would be minimal if Hezbollah was not intentionally planting their weapons and leadership into civilian areas.

Is it justifiable to kill hundreds of civilians to decimate the leadership of the Hezbollah? Is it justifiable to potentially kill hundreds of civilians to save tens of thousands?

"War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it."

Be thankful you are not in a position where you must make these decisions.

"Is it justifiable to potentially kill hundreds of civilians to save tens of thousands?
"War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it."
Be thankful you are not in a position where you must make these decisions."

1) Tell me how Israel's killings are saving "tens of thousands". No Israelis are at risk of imminent threat from Hezbollah. Yes, Hezbollah wants to see Israel disappear and has fired rockets into the north of Israel, but (a) Israel has evacuated the residents living there to safe ground and (b) Hezbollah has said they will stop if Israel stops killing in Gaza.

2) If you are all good with "War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it." then you must have sympathy for the actions Hamas took on 10/7 (they too viewed this as war). I don't have any sympathy or support for Hamas.

3) Be thankful I am not in a decision that I MUST make these decisions. There is no MUST here. No one is making Israel make the military decisions they are making. In fact, the US and many other countries are telling them not to.

There is no imminent threat to Israel.

There is actual and live threat, killing, maiming, terrorizing Lebanon, Gaza, and the West Bank.

For sure there is an imminent threat to Israel. Hezbollah has been bombing the north of Israel - this never seems to make the news, but it's unacceptable to live with a chance of a rocket landing on your home at any given time, and this is what Israel is seeking to end. I lived in Israel briefly in 2021 and it was the same with Gaza - the first night of a conflict then, there were 3000 rockets sent from Gaza into Israel. Israel responded (afterwards) and the international headlines were then just all about Israel bombing Gaza. Yes, Israel has the Iron Dome, but it doesn't catch 100 percent of the rockets, and it's very expensive ($50-100k per rocket disabled).

Does it matter that individuals in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria, perhaps as far away as Iran find it “unacceptable” that they have to live EVERY MOMENT OF EVERY DAY under imminent fear of Israeli rockets and missiles landing on their homes?

Or are we pretending that only Israeli feelings and expectations matter?

PP - yes, of course it's not ok for anyone. Did you read what I wrote and was responding to? I was responding to an inaccurate statement that there is no actual threat to Israel. Two things can be true at the same time. And re Gaza, the Israeli bombing has always been in response to bombing from Gaza first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No tears shed for Nasrallah. The rest of Lebanon was cheering. Hopefully the military can stabilize the country and boot out the Iranians

Actually, it was the likes of ISIS and Wahhabis who were cheering.

If you seriously think Lebanon is cheering Israel, you’re stupider than I could ever imagine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is Israel’s end game here?

Have a cooperative neighbor on its north border, similar to Egypt on its southern border. I predict Israel will help prop up and strengthen Lebanese military in exchange for booting out the Iranians. If I was a Shiite in Lebanon I’d think hard about getting out because the Sunnis and Maronite + Druze Christians have some major grudges and scores to settle.

You guys are disgusting. Lebanese people don’t have a score to settle with Shiite. You guys only want to instigate divisions. Nobody that’s really Lebanese thinks on sectarianian terms like this but I see you guys want to foment another civil war by finding paramilitaries the same way it was done in Syria.

Lebanon will throw a party when Israel goes away

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Anonymous wrote:From the Washington Post…unfortunately the headline selectively reads the strike was on a Hezbollah leader but it’s clear with 4-6 buildings destroyed this is not selective targeting.

Since it began Monday with a ferocious aerial barrage, Israel’s military operation against Hezbollah has killed more than 700 people in Lebanon and set off a spiraling humanitarian crisis.

It was too early to tell the real toll of Friday’s strike, said Firass Abiad, Lebanon’s health minister. Four to six buildings were “completely demolished,” he added. “We expect fatalities to be high if there were people inside their apartments.

The civilian death toll would be minimal if Hezbollah was not intentionally planting their weapons and leadership into civilian areas.

Is it justifiable to kill hundreds of civilians to decimate the leadership of the Hezbollah? Is it justifiable to potentially kill hundreds of civilians to save tens of thousands?

"War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it."

Be thankful you are not in a position where you must make these decisions.

"Is it justifiable to potentially kill hundreds of civilians to save tens of thousands?
"War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it."
Be thankful you are not in a position where you must make these decisions."

1) Tell me how Israel's killings are saving "tens of thousands". No Israelis are at risk of imminent threat from Hezbollah. Yes, Hezbollah wants to see Israel disappear and has fired rockets into the north of Israel, but (a) Israel has evacuated the residents living there to safe ground and (b) Hezbollah has said they will stop if Israel stops killing in Gaza.

2) If you are all good with "War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it." then you must have sympathy for the actions Hamas took on 10/7 (they too viewed this as war). I don't have any sympathy or support for Hamas.

3) Be thankful I am not in a decision that I MUST make these decisions. There is no MUST here. No one is making Israel make the military decisions they are making. In fact, the US and many other countries are telling them not to.

There is no imminent threat to Israel.

There is actual and live threat, killing, maiming, terrorizing Lebanon, Gaza, and the West Bank.

For sure there is an imminent threat to Israel. Hezbollah has been bombing the north of Israel - this never seems to make the news, but it's unacceptable to live with a chance of a rocket landing on your home at any given time, and this is what Israel is seeking to end. I lived in Israel briefly in 2021 and it was the same with Gaza - the first night of a conflict then, there were 3000 rockets sent from Gaza into Israel. Israel responded (afterwards) and the international headlines were then just all about Israel bombing Gaza. Yes, Israel has the Iron Dome, but it doesn't catch 100 percent of the rockets, and it's very expensive ($50-100k per rocket disabled).

Does it matter that individuals in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria, perhaps as far away as Iran find it “unacceptable” that they have to live EVERY MOMENT OF EVERY DAY under imminent fear of Israeli rockets and missiles landing on their homes?

Or are we pretending that only Israeli feelings and expectations matter?

PP - yes, of course it's not ok for anyone. Did you read what I wrote and was responding to? I was responding to an inaccurate statement that there is no actual threat to Israel. Two things can be true at the same time. And re Gaza, the Israeli bombing has always been in response to bombing from Gaza first.

Yeah, of course that’s not true. Israel violates international law and blows up civilian targets far and wide without provocation all the time, and the weasels defending Israel have taken to excusing it with the embarrassingly comical “pre-emptive self-defense” gibberish.

Right?

[Anonymous]

And by goes away, let me clarify I mean Europe.

go back to Poland like Helen thomas said

[Anonymous]

This is so ridiculous. Muslims and Christians go to Ramadan and Christmas parties. Literally nobody cares about religion in Lebanon. Lebanese are Lebanese. Period.

It’s disgusting that the trouble makers want to foment sectarianism once more in the Levant. It failed in Palestine and it failed in Iraq and it failed in Syria. Arabs know who the troublemakers are

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:From the Washington Post…unfortunately the headline selectively reads the strike was on a Hezbollah leader but it’s clear with 4-6 buildings destroyed this is not selective targeting.

Since it began Monday with a ferocious aerial barrage, Israel’s military operation against Hezbollah has killed more than 700 people in Lebanon and set off a spiraling humanitarian crisis.

It was too early to tell the real toll of Friday’s strike, said Firass Abiad, Lebanon’s health minister. Four to six buildings were “completely demolished,” he added. “We expect fatalities to be high if there were people inside their apartments.

The civilian death toll would be minimal if Hezbollah was not intentionally planting their weapons and leadership into civilian areas.

Is it justifiable to kill hundreds of civilians to decimate the leadership of the Hezbollah? Is it justifiable to potentially kill hundreds of civilians to save tens of thousands?

"War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it."

Be thankful you are not in a position where you must make these decisions.

"Is it justifiable to potentially kill hundreds of civilians to save tens of thousands?
"War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it."
Be thankful you are not in a position where you must make these decisions."

1) Tell me how Israel's killings are saving "tens of thousands". No Israelis are at risk of imminent threat from Hezbollah. Yes, Hezbollah wants to see Israel disappear and has fired rockets into the north of Israel, but (a) Israel has evacuated the residents living there to safe ground and (b) Hezbollah has said they will stop if Israel stops killing in Gaza.

2) If you are all good with "War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it." then you must have sympathy for the actions Hamas took on 10/7 (they too viewed this as war). I don't have any sympathy or support for Hamas.

3) Be thankful I am not in a decision that I MUST make these decisions. There is no MUST here. No one is making Israel make the military decisions they are making. In fact, the US and many other countries are telling them not to.

There is no imminent threat to Israel.

There is actual and live threat, killing, maiming, terrorizing Lebanon, Gaza, and the West Bank.

I don't think the Israelis are leaving.

You may not like that, but sometimes the people you don't think should win, still win.

Continuing to insist on making "Israel disappear" will not make Israel disappear. Anyone who sincerely wants to save the lives of Gazans and Lebanese civilians has to accept this reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the Washington Post…unfortunately the headline selectively reads the strike was on a Hezbollah leader but it’s clear with 4-6 buildings destroyed this is not selective targeting.

Since it began Monday with a ferocious aerial barrage, Israel’s military operation against Hezbollah has killed more than 700 people in Lebanon and set off a spiraling humanitarian crisis.

It was too early to tell the real toll of Friday’s strike, said Firass Abiad, Lebanon’s health minister. Four to six buildings were “completely demolished,” he added. “We expect fatalities to be high if there were people inside their apartments.

The civilian death toll would be minimal if Hezbollah was not intentionally planting their weapons and leadership into civilian areas.

Is it justifiable to kill hundreds of civilians to decimate the leadership of the Hezbollah? Is it justifiable to potentially kill hundreds of civilians to save tens of thousands?

"War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it."

Be thankful you are not in a position where you must make these decisions.

"Is it justifiable to potentially kill hundreds of civilians to save tens of thousands?
"War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it."
Be thankful you are not in a position where you must make these decisions."

1) Tell me how Israel's killings are saving "tens of thousands". No Israelis are at risk of imminent threat from Hezbollah. Yes, Hezbollah wants to see Israel disappear and has fired rockets into the north of Israel, but (a) Israel has evacuated the residents living there to safe ground and (b) Hezbollah has said they will stop if Israel stops killing in Gaza.

2) If you are all good with "War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it." then you must have sympathy for the actions Hamas took on 10/7 (they too viewed this as war). I don't have any sympathy or support for Hamas.

3) Be thankful I am not in a decision that I MUST make these decisions. There is no MUST here. No one is making Israel make the military decisions they are making. In fact, the US and many other countries are telling them not to.

There is no imminent threat to Israel.

There is actual and live threat, killing, maiming, terrorizing Lebanon, Gaza, and the West Bank.

I don't think the Israelis are leaving.

You may not like that, but sometimes the people you don't think should win, still win.

Continuing to insist on making "Israel disappear" will not make Israel disappear. Anyone who sincerely wants to save the lives of Gazans and Lebanese civilians has to accept this reality.

Israel has too much of a destabilizing influence on the region because of their control on Western media and weapons. If one believes Israel wants to just live peace, they’re not paying attention. Israel wants dominance not peace and they want dominance by way of Mossad’s motto:

By way of deception, we shall wage war

They never stepped foot in Lebanon but somehow can tell everyone how Lebanese people feel about each other and can “predict” sectarianian infighting among groups.

Well, surely if a cash funnel and weapons funnel comes in from USA, some hooligans will be exported and farmed out to become a paramilitary but the people are all smart enough to know Christian vs Muslim and Shia vs Sunni are not the real problem here and they are all fake problems that didn’t exist before the 1970s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is Israel’s end game here?

Have a cooperative neighbor on its north border, similar to Egypt on its southern border. I predict Israel will help prop up and strengthen Lebanese military in exchange for booting out the Iranians. If I was a Shiite in Lebanon I’d think hard about getting out because the Sunnis and Maronite + Druze Christians have some major grudges and scores to settle.

Your plan is to start another Lebanese Civil War?

[Anonymous]

Think Israel will over 50,000 people in Lebanon?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is so ridiculous. Muslims and Christians go to Ramadan and Christmas parties. Literally nobody cares about religion in Lebanon. Lebanese are Lebanese. Period.

It’s disgusting that the trouble makers want to foment sectarianism once more in the Levant. It failed in Palestine and it failed in Iraq and it failed in Syria. Arabs know who the troublemakers are

Yes Israel. Without Israel the Middle East would be peaceful. Too bad terrorists like Israel continue to go unpunished. The only reason Israel did not invade Egypt was because Turkey said they would come in on the side of Egypt. Right now Israel is violation of the Egypt Israeli peace treaty with the occupation of the Philadelphia corridor.

Hopefully the Syrian with Russian will aid the Lebanese against the invading Israelis.