College Football--Big Ten Expansion

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article, but it contains a contradiction regarding further Big Ten Conference expansion. States that the President of Ohio State University envisions Big Ten Conference expanding in science research and will only take AAU member schools, but opines that Stanford is out. Doesn't make sense to me--especially in light of the strong relationship between Stanford football and Notre Dame football.

Well they’re quoting the president of tOSU. I guarantee you that at least the heads of NU, UMich, WI, and UIUC, the top schools currently in the conference, would all welcome a Stanford invitation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article, but it contains a contradiction regarding further Big Ten Conference expansion. States that the President of Ohio State University envisions Big Ten Conference expanding in science research and will only take AAU member schools, but opines that Stanford is out. Doesn't make sense to me--especially in light of the strong relationship between Stanford football and Notre Dame football.

Well they’re quoting the president of tOSU. I guarantee you that at least the heads of NU, UMich, WI, and UIUC, the top schools currently in the conference, would all welcome a Stanford invitation.

The author of the article is the voice stating that Stanford is out, not the President of Ohio State University. Sorry for the confusion.

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I think only FSU is safe. All the other ACC teams may be stuck which they all are anyway until 2036. Uva and Unc have small alumni numbers, poor tv ratings and state political issues with larger schools in the same state. They definitely have less value than Stanford and the San Francisco/ No Cal market. Clemson splits a small state and has low alumni numbers. Maryland was the only school that is a solitary flagship in its state, inside the beltway of a huge media market and has huge alumni numbers. All the other schools besides FSU ( not the only school but an enormous state/population and large alumni numbers ) have issues.

UNC is coveted by the Big Ten Conference as it gets the Big Ten into new recruiting territory, solid athletic department, excellent academics, and same viewership for football as Stanford, but much more popular in basketball.

Only a few insiders really know the Big Ten Conference's target schools in the ACC if the ACC breaks up. Possible ACC target schools include UNC, U Miami, FSU, Georgia Tech, & Virginia.

UNC may be coveted by the Big Ten presidents but you have to keep in mind that FOX and ESPN are paying the bills for these conferences. FOX pays the bills for the BIG and wants to get into the southeast and wants football. FSU will get an invite before UNC.

ESPN is handcuffed because of their financial problems. They do not want to lose the ACC or the west coast entirely. They also do not want ND in the BIG. ND wants more money and independence. This is why ESPN and ND are trying to pair Cal and Stanford with the ACC, possibly even with SMU and/or even NAVY. ND may even commit to more games in the ACC.

However, it is not going to be enough.

The GOR is not iron clad. It will be messy and expensive. FSU and others may not declare by August 15th but that will only be because they are getting a war chest together and to build legislative support for sovereign immunity legislation, etc.....

The critical date is to do it by 2026 when the football playoffs will be renegotiated and the money gap between the ACC and BIG/SEC grows substantially. It may even be beneficial to stay in the ACC for a couple of more years as it is a much easier path to the playoff.

Basketball does matter but not as much as football. Once football is resolved they will turn their attention to taking basketball out of the hands of the NCAA. Why let the NCAA control and keep all that money?

What is: "sovereign immunity legislation"?

Great question.

Sovereign Immunity means that the king does no wrong so that one cannot sue the federal or state government unless the federal or state government says that you can sue it under certain types of claims.

In this instance, FSU may want the state of Florida to protect it from being sued by the ACC if FSU leaves the conference.

With all due respect there is no such thing. Commerce would be chaos if any state could do this. No state can pass legislation to get out of a contract. It just is not a thing.

If FSU gives notice on Tuesday, ACC expands that day. If they do not give notice then things can stay.

[Anonymous]

FSU isn’t going to do anything. The other ACC schools have literally no comment about it. They aren’t even listening. FSU has nowhere to go and no way to not pay $100 million plus it’s television revenue for 13 years. The ACC is literally 100 percent unaffected by the hissy fit.

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I think only FSU is safe. All the other ACC teams may be stuck which they all are anyway until 2036. Uva and Unc have small alumni numbers, poor tv ratings and state political issues with larger schools in the same state. They definitely have less value than Stanford and the San Francisco/ No Cal market. Clemson splits a small state and has low alumni numbers. Maryland was the only school that is a solitary flagship in its state, inside the beltway of a huge media market and has huge alumni numbers. All the other schools besides FSU ( not the only school but an enormous state/population and large alumni numbers ) have issues.

UNC is coveted by the Big Ten Conference as it gets the Big Ten into new recruiting territory, solid athletic department, excellent academics, and same viewership for football as Stanford, but much more popular in basketball.

Only a few insiders really know the Big Ten Conference's target schools in the ACC if the ACC breaks up. Possible ACC target schools include UNC, U Miami, FSU, Georgia Tech, & Virginia.

UNC may be coveted by the Big Ten presidents but you have to keep in mind that FOX and ESPN are paying the bills for these conferences. FOX pays the bills for the BIG and wants to get into the southeast and wants football. FSU will get an invite before UNC.

ESPN is handcuffed because of their financial problems. They do not want to lose the ACC or the west coast entirely. They also do not want ND in the BIG. ND wants more money and independence. This is why ESPN and ND are trying to pair Cal and Stanford with the ACC, possibly even with SMU and/or even NAVY. ND may even commit to more games in the ACC.

However, it is not going to be enough.

The GOR is not iron clad. It will be messy and expensive. FSU and others may not declare by August 15th but that will only be because they are getting a war chest together and to build legislative support for sovereign immunity legislation, etc.....

The critical date is to do it by 2026 when the football playoffs will be renegotiated and the money gap between the ACC and BIG/SEC grows substantially. It may even be beneficial to stay in the ACC for a couple of more years as it is a much easier path to the playoff.

Basketball does matter but not as much as football. Once football is resolved they will turn their attention to taking basketball out of the hands of the NCAA. Why let the NCAA control and keep all that money?

What is: "sovereign immunity legislation"?

Great question.

Sovereign Immunity means that the king does no wrong so that one cannot sue the federal or state government unless the federal or state government says that you can sue it under certain types of claims.

In this instance, FSU may want the state of Florida to protect it from being sued by the ACC if FSU leaves the conference.

With all due respect there is no such thing. Commerce would be chaos if any state could do this. No state can pass legislation to get out of a contract. It just is not a thing.

If FSU gives notice on Tuesday, ACC expands that day. If they do not give notice then things can stay.

I think that you are wrong.

Try reading the 11th Amendment to the US Constitution.

Then understand that states have sovereign immunity unless the state waives that right. Courts have stated that state sovereign immunity stems from the construction of the US Constitution as a whole and is not just derived from the 11th Amendment.

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I think only FSU is safe. All the other ACC teams may be stuck which they all are anyway until 2036. Uva and Unc have small alumni numbers, poor tv ratings and state political issues with larger schools in the same state. They definitely have less value than Stanford and the San Francisco/ No Cal market. Clemson splits a small state and has low alumni numbers. Maryland was the only school that is a solitary flagship in its state, inside the beltway of a huge media market and has huge alumni numbers. All the other schools besides FSU ( not the only school but an enormous state/population and large alumni numbers ) have issues.

UNC is coveted by the Big Ten Conference as it gets the Big Ten into new recruiting territory, solid athletic department, excellent academics, and same viewership for football as Stanford, but much more popular in basketball.

Only a few insiders really know the Big Ten Conference's target schools in the ACC if the ACC breaks up. Possible ACC target schools include UNC, U Miami, FSU, Georgia Tech, & Virginia.

UNC may be coveted by the Big Ten presidents but you have to keep in mind that FOX and ESPN are paying the bills for these conferences. FOX pays the bills for the BIG and wants to get into the southeast and wants football. FSU will get an invite before UNC.

ESPN is handcuffed because of their financial problems. They do not want to lose the ACC or the west coast entirely. They also do not want ND in the BIG. ND wants more money and independence. This is why ESPN and ND are trying to pair Cal and Stanford with the ACC, possibly even with SMU and/or even NAVY. ND may even commit to more games in the ACC.

However, it is not going to be enough.

The GOR is not iron clad. It will be messy and expensive. FSU and others may not declare by August 15th but that will only be because they are getting a war chest together and to build legislative support for sovereign immunity legislation, etc.....

The critical date is to do it by 2026 when the football playoffs will be renegotiated and the money gap between the ACC and BIG/SEC grows substantially. It may even be beneficial to stay in the ACC for a couple of more years as it is a much easier path to the playoff.

Basketball does matter but not as much as football. Once football is resolved they will turn their attention to taking basketball out of the hands of the NCAA. Why let the NCAA control and keep all that money?

What is: "sovereign immunity legislation"?

Great question.

Sovereign Immunity means that the king does no wrong so that one cannot sue the federal or state government unless the federal or state government says that you can sue it under certain types of claims.

In this instance, FSU may want the state of Florida to protect it from being sued by the ACC if FSU leaves the conference.

With all due respect there is no such thing. Commerce would be chaos if any state could do this. No state can pass legislation to get out of a contract. It just is not a thing.

If FSU gives notice on Tuesday, ACC expands that day. If they do not give notice then things can stay.

Incorrect.

Some states have waived sovereign immunity in certain circumstances, but it varies by state.

Indian reservations in the US also have sovereign immunity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FSU isn’t going to do anything. The other ACC schools have literally no comment about it. They aren’t even listening. FSU has nowhere to go and no way to not pay $100 million plus it’s television revenue for 13 years. The ACC is literally 100 percent unaffected by the hissy fit.

We should know by Tuesday, August 15, 2023 as that is the deadline set by the ACC for members to give notice.

[Anonymous]

Why can’t the top 48 college football programs just split off and form their own semi-pro elite league? It would make everyone else’s life better.

[Anonymous]

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I think only FSU is safe. All the other ACC teams may be stuck which they all are anyway until 2036. Uva and Unc have small alumni numbers, poor tv ratings and state political issues with larger schools in the same state. They definitely have less value than Stanford and the San Francisco/ No Cal market. Clemson splits a small state and has low alumni numbers. Maryland was the only school that is a solitary flagship in its state, inside the beltway of a huge media market and has huge alumni numbers. All the other schools besides FSU ( not the only school but an enormous state/population and large alumni numbers ) have issues.

UNC is coveted by the Big Ten Conference as it gets the Big Ten into new recruiting territory, solid athletic department, excellent academics, and same viewership for football as Stanford, but much more popular in basketball.

Only a few insiders really know the Big Ten Conference's target schools in the ACC if the ACC breaks up. Possible ACC target schools include UNC, U Miami, FSU, Georgia Tech, & Virginia.

UNC may be coveted by the Big Ten presidents but you have to keep in mind that FOX and ESPN are paying the bills for these conferences. FOX pays the bills for the BIG and wants to get into the southeast and wants football. FSU will get an invite before UNC.

ESPN is handcuffed because of their financial problems. They do not want to lose the ACC or the west coast entirely. They also do not want ND in the BIG. ND wants more money and independence. This is why ESPN and ND are trying to pair Cal and Stanford with the ACC, possibly even with SMU and/or even NAVY. ND may even commit to more games in the ACC.

However, it is not going to be enough.

The GOR is not iron clad. It will be messy and expensive. FSU and others may not declare by August 15th but that will only be because they are getting a war chest together and to build legislative support for sovereign immunity legislation, etc.....

The critical date is to do it by 2026 when the football playoffs will be renegotiated and the money gap between the ACC and BIG/SEC grows substantially. It may even be beneficial to stay in the ACC for a couple of more years as it is a much easier path to the playoff.

Basketball does matter but not as much as football. Once football is resolved they will turn their attention to taking basketball out of the hands of the NCAA. Why let the NCAA control and keep all that money?

What is: "sovereign immunity legislation"?

Great question.

Sovereign Immunity means that the king does no wrong so that one cannot sue the federal or state government unless the federal or state government says that you can sue it under certain types of claims.

In this instance, FSU may want the state of Florida to protect it from being sued by the ACC if FSU leaves the conference.

With all due respect there is no such thing. Commerce would be chaos if any state could do this. No state can pass legislation to get out of a contract. It just is not a thing.

If FSU gives notice on Tuesday, ACC expands that day. If they do not give notice then things can stay.

Incorrect.

Some states have waived sovereign immunity in certain circumstances, but it varies by state.

Indian reservations in the US also have sovereign immunity.

The GOR was incorporated in Delaware.

[Anonymous]

https://sportskeeda.com/college-football/florida-state-sec-gets-validation-cfb-insider-amid-rumors-possible-acc-fallout

Article states that the grant-of-rights may not be as big of an issue as expected if FSU moves from ACC to SEC since ESPN pays both the ACC & the SEC for broadcast media rights.

[Anonymous]

Steve Spurrier on possible FSU move to SEC:

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/steve-spurrier-states-position-on-fsu-joining-sec

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why can’t the top 48 college football programs just split off and form their own semi-pro elite league? It would make everyone else’s life better.

For one, universities have hundreds of millions of dollars invested in stadiums, equipment, players, coaches, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://sportskeeda.com/college-football/florida-state-sec-gets-validation-cfb-insider-amid-rumors-possible-acc-fallout

Article states that the grant-of-rights may not be as big of an issue as expected if FSU moves from ACC to SEC since ESPN pays both the ACC & the SEC for broadcast media rights.

The GOR is between the schools and the ACC. ESPN has an agreement with the ACC. The ACC still owns FSU's media rights is FSU leaves. That means any money from ESPN goes to the ACC for FSU whereever they are located. FSU would then get their ACC share.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FSU isn’t going to do anything. The other ACC schools have literally no comment about it. They aren’t even listening. FSU has nowhere to go and no way to not pay $100 million plus it’s television revenue for 13 years. The ACC is literally 100 percent unaffected by the hissy fit.

You do not know this (the bolded above).

The exit fee is about $120 million.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://sportskeeda.com/college-football/florida-state-sec-gets-validation-cfb-insider-amid-rumors-possible-acc-fallout

Article states that the grant-of-rights may not be as big of an issue as expected if FSU moves from ACC to SEC since ESPN pays both the ACC & the SEC for broadcast media rights.

The GOR is between the schools and the ACC. ESPN has an agreement with the ACC. The ACC still owns FSU's media rights is FSU leaves. That means any money from ESPN goes to the ACC for FSU whereever they are located. FSU would then get their ACC share.

That is your opinion.

FSU might argue that the $120 million exit fee covers the GOR or they may work out a deal for a settlement.