Kyle Rittenhouse: Vigilante White Men

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now the prosecution has established that KR is a liar.

How so? Explain. I haven't been following closely today.

What's the deal with this judge? He seems way biased.

I don't think he is biased but the prosecution has been very cavalier about things the judge ruled on. In several instances, the exact evidence had been briefed by the parties and the judge had ruled it was not admissible. And then the prosecutor would slip it in and the judge would react. Bringing in evidence that is inadmissible has two impacts. 1) it creates a solid basis for appealing any conviction. 2) It creates a basis for a mistrial which means the entire process starts over. Neither of those are good results. So yeah, the judge is getting testy with the Prosecutor. The judge is trying to save the trial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Prosecutor is terrible and deserves to lose. And that stinks. It is very sad and I think he likely deserves some kind of second degree murder but it needs to be a clean trial and the prosecutor is flagrantly defying the judge. It is crazy.

The prosecutor should be disbarred for simultaneously wearing a lapel pin, tie bar, AND pocket square. Way to much flare for a criminal trial. Halloween is over kid.

I’d question all of his sartorial choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now the prosecution has established that KR is a liar.

How so? Explain. I haven't been following closely today.

What's the deal with this judge? He seems way biased.

There was video of him talking to someone asking him if he was an emt and he said yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now the prosecution has established that KR is a liar.

How so? Explain. I haven't been following closely today.

What's the deal with this judge? He seems way biased.

KR is on tape talking to media saying he is an EMT, that’s a lie.

So what. People lie. He had no idea what was in store for him that night. It is completely irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now the prosecution has established that KR is a liar.

How so? Explain. I haven't been following closely today.

What's the deal with this judge? He seems way biased.

KR is on tape talking to media saying he is an EMT, that’s a lie.

So what. People lie. He had no idea what was in store for him that night. It is completely irrelevant.

It’s relevant that you’ve lied when you’re testifying under oath. Duh.

[Anonymous]

You guys don't get it. The prosecution can show he lied. That he cheated on his girlfriend. That he stole money from his mom. It is not probative of his intent that night. It is not probative of state of mind when he pulled the trigger. Bad guy does not equal murderer.

He did administer first aid. He did have a first aid bag. Those two things are true as well. But they are also not probative of his state of mind when he pulled the trigger.

What is probative is people following him. People not simply threatening him but striking him, pointing a gun at him etc.

Welcome to law school evidence class. Some facts are true but not probative or germane. This is akin to when rapists got off because they convinced the jury the girl was a slut. Now that is no longer admissible evidence because it is irrelevant to determining whether a woman consented to sex with a rapist.

Again, it is complicated and this prosecutor is awful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now the prosecution has established that KR is a liar.

How so? Explain. I haven't been following closely today.

What's the deal with this judge? He seems way biased.

KR is on tape talking to media saying he is an EMT, that’s a lie.

So what. People lie. He had no idea what was in store for him that night. It is completely irrelevant.

It’s relevant that you’ve lied when you’re testifying under oath. Duh.

Yes. Bill Clinton knows that. Bill was under oath when he lied. Kyle Rittenhouse was not. He lied to a reporter on the street. Not a crime. Not relevant to the later events. Fluff and stuff that I suspect will be stricken from the record due to relevance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now the prosecution has established that KR is a liar.

How so? Explain. I haven't been following closely today.

What's the deal with this judge? He seems way biased.

Because he is way biased.
Also, his phone going off during the motion hearing was, according to my DH who has been a litigator for 25 years, the most unprofessional thing he’s ever seen. And he had a Second Circuit zoom argument this week against an opposing counsel who was wearing a flannel shirt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now the prosecution has established that KR is a liar.

How so? Explain. I haven't been following closely today.

What's the deal with this judge? He seems way biased.

I don't think he is biased but the prosecution has been very cavalier about things the judge ruled on. In several instances, the exact evidence had been briefed by the parties and the judge had ruled it was not admissible. And then the prosecutor would slip it in and the judge would react. Bringing in evidence that is inadmissible has two impacts. 1) it creates a solid basis for appealing any conviction. 2) It creates a basis for a mistrial which means the entire process starts over. Neither of those are good results. So yeah, the judge is getting testy with the Prosecutor. The judge is trying to save the trial.

As the judge has said, the prosecution has nearly "crossed the line" many times in this trial, and may have done so today with a line of questioning bringing in evidence that is not admissible.

At this point, I think the prosecution has lost the jury. The line of questioning this afternoon is all over the map. It almost seems as if their strategy at this point is to try to get Rittenhouse to slip up or lose his temper.

This trial is just pathetic. He should have never been charged. He should have never had to go to trial. This is just pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now the prosecution has established that KR is a liar.

How so? Explain. I haven't been following closely today.

What's the deal with this judge? He seems way biased.

I don't think he is biased but the prosecution has been very cavalier about things the judge ruled on. In several instances, the exact evidence had been briefed by the parties and the judge had ruled it was not admissible. And then the prosecutor would slip it in and the judge would react. Bringing in evidence that is inadmissible has two impacts. 1) it creates a solid basis for appealing any conviction. 2) It creates a basis for a mistrial which means the entire process starts over. Neither of those are good results. So yeah, the judge is getting testy with the Prosecutor. The judge is trying to save the trial.

As the judge has said, the prosecution has nearly "crossed the line" many times in this trial, and may have done so today with a line of questioning bringing in evidence that is not admissible.

At this point, I think the prosecution has lost the jury. The line of questioning this afternoon is all over the map. It almost seems as if their strategy at this point is to try to get Rittenhouse to slip up or lose his temper.

This trial is just pathetic. He should have never been charged. He should have never had to go to trial. This is just pathetic.

He should have been charged. He should have gone to trial in a better location than Kenosha -- they were having riots earlier. It's not a great place and it doesn't have great prosecutors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You guys don't get it. The prosecution can show he lied. That he cheated on his girlfriend. That he stole money from his mom. It is not probative of his intent that night. It is not probative of state of mind when he pulled the trigger. Bad guy does not equal murderer.

He did administer first aid. He did have a first aid bag. Those two things are true as well. But they are also not probative of his state of mind when he pulled the trigger.

What is probative is people following him. People not simply threatening him but striking him, pointing a gun at him etc.

Welcome to law school evidence class. Some facts are true but not probative or germane. This is akin to when rapists got off because they convinced the jury the girl was a slut. Now that is no longer admissible evidence because it is irrelevant to determining whether a woman consented to sex with a rapist.

Again, it is complicated and this prosecutor is awful.

This is an understatement.
And, many of us knew the prosecutor was awful even before this trial began. The fact that he charged this person with crimes, given the evidence that has been presented is unforgivable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now the prosecution has established that KR is a liar.

How so? Explain. I haven't been following closely today.

What's the deal with this judge? He seems way biased.

I don't think he is biased but the prosecution has been very cavalier about things the judge ruled on. In several instances, the exact evidence had been briefed by the parties and the judge had ruled it was not admissible. And then the prosecutor would slip it in and the judge would react. Bringing in evidence that is inadmissible has two impacts. 1) it creates a solid basis for appealing any conviction. 2) It creates a basis for a mistrial which means the entire process starts over. Neither of those are good results. So yeah, the judge is getting testy with the Prosecutor. The judge is trying to save the trial.

As the judge has said, the prosecution has nearly "crossed the line" many times in this trial, and may have done so today with a line of questioning bringing in evidence that is not admissible.

At this point, I think the prosecution has lost the jury. The line of questioning this afternoon is all over the map. It almost seems as if their strategy at this point is to try to get Rittenhouse to slip up or lose his temper.

This trial is just pathetic. He should have never been charged. He should have never had to go to trial. This is just pathetic.

He should have been charged. He should have gone to trial in a better location than Kenosha -- they were having riots earlier. It's not a great place and it doesn't have great prosecutors.

So, because you don't approve of the prosecutors here the trial should have been moved? WTH?
Maybe they should find better prosecutors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You guys don't get it. The prosecution can show he lied. That he cheated on his girlfriend. That he stole money from his mom. It is not probative of his intent that night. It is not probative of state of mind when he pulled the trigger. Bad guy does not equal murderer.

He did administer first aid. He did have a first aid bag. Those two things are true as well. But they are also not probative of his state of mind when he pulled the trigger.

What is probative is people following him. People not simply threatening him but striking him, pointing a gun at him etc.

Welcome to law school evidence class. Some facts are true but not probative or germane. This is akin to when rapists got off because they convinced the jury the girl was a slut. Now that is no longer admissible evidence because it is irrelevant to determining whether a woman consented to sex with a rapist.

Again, it is complicated and this prosecutor is awful.

Why is it ok for a 17 year old untrained kid to administer first aid to anyone? What a crock.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now the prosecution has established that KR is a liar.

How so? Explain. I haven't been following closely today.

What's the deal with this judge? He seems way biased.

I don't think he is biased but the prosecution has been very cavalier about things the judge ruled on. In several instances, the exact evidence had been briefed by the parties and the judge had ruled it was not admissible. And then the prosecutor would slip it in and the judge would react. Bringing in evidence that is inadmissible has two impacts. 1) it creates a solid basis for appealing any conviction. 2) It creates a basis for a mistrial which means the entire process starts over. Neither of those are good results. So yeah, the judge is getting testy with the Prosecutor. The judge is trying to save the trial.

As the judge has said, the prosecution has nearly "crossed the line" many times in this trial, and may have done so today with a line of questioning bringing in evidence that is not admissible.

At this point, I think the prosecution has lost the jury. The line of questioning this afternoon is all over the map. It almost seems as if their strategy at this point is to try to get Rittenhouse to slip up or lose his temper.

This trial is just pathetic. He should have never been charged. He should have never had to go to trial. This is just pathetic.

He should have been charged. He should have gone to trial in a better location than Kenosha -- they were having riots earlier. It's not a great place and it doesn't have great prosecutors.

So, because you don't approve of the prosecutors here the trial should have been moved? WTH?
Maybe they should find better prosecutors.

I wasn't speaking as a lawyer. I was noting that Kenosha seems to be pretty awful. First riots and then terrible prosecutors. As well as rioters, looters, and murderers. But no victims.

[Anonymous]

They should not be trying to convict him of two counts of first degree intentional homicide and a count of attempted homicide That is a mistake. They have him on curfew, probably some form of possession of a firearm without a required license (he admitted to both of these on the stand), and can probably get reckless endangerment for being out with a gun like that during a riot.

But they want to make an example of him and put him in jail for life and the facts don't support that. Stupid.