Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift engaged!

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Anonymous wrote:Rhianna married washed up loser ASAP
Mariah Carey married loser Nick Cannon
Whitney Houston with losers Ray J and Bobby Brown
Britney married loser K-Fed
Taylor marrying this ugly doofus

This was Travis over the weekend. He is an unreformable idiot.

It is crazy how EVERY aging pop super star marries a loser

He’s a future hall of fame NFL tight end! Top of his profession. Jealous haters on this thread.

Yea but that doesn’t make him appealing to most women. That’s what you don’t seem to get. Joe Alwyn or Harry Styles are infinitely more appealing than Travis and the fact that he’s good at a sport that many women don’t regularly watch doesn’t matter. He’s just so cringe. That said, maybe he’s really great to her behind the scenes.

You have got to be kidding me. Those two are so cringe. Despite people like you, the sporty alpha male is still an attraction to many women. I would contend more women are attracted to a sports star that a scrawny music guy who dresses up in lace and pearls.

NP. I would never get together with a guy who gets paid to get concussions and so many of his cohorts are bad with money so they have to get training on how NOT to go bankrupt despite earning millions. Or a guy who looks like Paul Bunyan.

Nobody cares who you would or wouldn’t get together with.

Taylor swift does though because she needs her fans to want to be like her so they can buy into the idea that she is just like them but with magical song writing powers.

For me, I like a brawny burly man, but not one who buys into the machismo idea that crushing beers and trash talking about women’s back fat is okay. A brawny man who makes furniture and is respectful of women (meaning doesn’t put them down for physical appearance or make jokes about women as a group) sounds perfect.

Let me guess, you've never made jokes about men's physical appearances? Or is that different?

DP but I can honestly say I've never made jokes about anyone's appearance as an adult. I especially would never make fun of someone for their weight. Both of my parents are very overweight and I know how harmful comments like that are.

There have been a lot of negative comments about Travis' body in the past few pages. I don't think people even realize that they are massive hypocrites.

Well I've never said anything negative about his body but it does bother me that he talked about a woman that way.

Tell that to the people hating on his body here. He can't help the body he was born into.

Sure thing. Don’t make fun of people’s bodies. It is rude and not okay. OTOH, if you want to make fun of Travis because he seems overly interested in beer and looking “cool”/ not caring about being thoughtful to other, but only into his own status, you are right on track.

Yes, making "fun" of people is so mature and such a good look. This is how kids talk so it must be disappointed tweens in here.

I guess I I should have used the “grown up” term “hating” instead of “making fun of” ANd yes, sometimes when someone is “hating on” an entire group of people like cheerleaders or women with back fat, they should be shamed into changing their behavior. Not lauded as being hot because it makes you feel better than the other girls if he likes you.

DP. You seriously need to grow up and move on. I doubt you're this outraged by all the women making nasty comments about men's bodies.

You mean about Travis? No, I always think people commenting and “hating” or making fun of other people’s bodies is not okay. It is especially not okay online where things live forever. Why do you think that is fine? Why do you think a public figure should send out tweets about women’s bodies? Why are you okay with that and think that being adult means making mean comments or just accepting that rude comments are okay?

Didn’t this happen when he was 20? Hardly a public figure then and it was like 15 years ago. Move on.

So that makes it okay in your mind. It doesn’t to me. A quick little apology about it “being in the past” and you believe this beer slamming guy who more recently yelled at his coach did the hard work addressing aggressive manner and doesn’t have those same thoughts now. All of that behavior is about gaining power by putting others down. There is a pattern.

Beer slamming guy? Are you the tween poster? You still sound 12.

Travis and Justice Kavanaugh have a lot in common: “Have you boofed yet? “Yes, we drank beer. My friends and I. Boys and girls. Yes, we drank beer. I liked beer. Still like beer. We drank beer.”

And you are like, “OMG. He is SO cool! He even made fun of back fat!”

So cool? Are you losing your mind? Who said that anywhere? Someday you will be old enough to drink a beer, baby girl.

Yea, the person you’re responding too has major anger issues where she gets this wound up and cares this much about who Taylor is dating.
Btw, has anyone on here ever played football? I have. Yelling at coaches and them yelling at us comes with playing football.

Wrong again! I get wound up when I see people defending misogyny and people who gain power by brute force or putting people down in order to get power. I don’t care what Taylor does or who she is dating at all. I do care that she is a cultural icon for women during the rise of fascism. And that she and you as her defenders are contributing to the loss of women’s rights.
Anyone on here who is defending the belief that guzzling beers makes a man strong/ gives him social power is who I am addressing. You all are so far gone down this path, you are defensively lashing out rather than thinking.

Are you off your meds? Nobody is saying that drinking a beer makes him a man. Imagine being under the 24 hour scrutiny they are under all the time and they handle it well.
Who cares that she didn’t go to college. Lots of educated people didn’t go to college.

You sort of know the trade off for celebrity is privacy when you sign up for the big bucks. Sadly, though you are taking this very literally like I am saying drinking a beer will give him a d*** when really the comment is about the current culture war we as a nation are having about gender roles as a whole and masculinity in particular.

This board is fighting over Taylor’s type of man. Her exes represent a different type of man (more liberal and open and artsy) than her fiancé who exhibits a more conservative “maleness is aggressive power.” What is really going on is Swifties are mirroring the larger debate over manhood and manliness that is raging right now.

So yes, the beer guzzling man culture that is upheld in the NFL is misogynistic and Taylor is Queen of the crew. She has been asking to be picked out by a footballer for a long time and I think they are perfect for each other.

I don't see any reason to assume he's politically conservative. They hated him for doing the Pfizer vax ads.

This narrow view how men should be is why Dems have lost most male voters in this country.

If he is for broader women’s rights, he AND TAYLOR are keeping very quiet about it. I’m not sure pics of Taylor making sourdough bread in the kitchen with an apron on speaks to women’s rights. Contrast that to the beginning of her you need to calm down song where she is making fun of women in the kitchen.

And, yes this is exactly the debate that you all are having with Taylor as the flashpoint. Frankly, I sort of agree with you, but I also think Taylor’s anger at men and her portrayal of them as being “the bad guy” who took advantage of her also contributed to this dynamic. I always thought she took her revenge too far. The solution however isn’t a return to beer culture and baking in a kitchen which is exactly what TNT are doing right now. It is way to Berenstain Bears with Mama Taylor being so smart and dumb papa bear making the mistakes and slamming beers.

What is this bizarre obsession with beer and football? People drink beer and the NFL has never been more popular. You seem grossly out of touch with mainstream culture.

NFL is popular with uneducated prole gambling addicts, to be sure. College educated white collar professionals are more disinterested than ever.

Lol, sure. You think the white collar finance bros never talk about football? Or play fantasy football? You have no idea what you're talking about talking about.

White collar finance bros are where Taylor swift was crafted. They aren’t high status, they have zero morals as evidenced by our k shaped economy, so of course they would be all about a sport where brawn wins. It is the same quest for domination but on uses companies and other people money to play with while the football player uses their bodies and a ball. Same mentality different tools.

I know you think you're really smart but you come across as a dated buffoon. The NFL is deep into data analytics and statistical modeling. It has evolved into something you clearly know nothing about.

Funny. Didn’t ms swift herself use the same reference of finance bros as jerks in her THe Man video?
Of course the NFL is deep into data analytics that is how they knew they had to get more suburban mom support…. And they took the kelce/swift romance and ran it into the in zone!

Well, everyone thinks they are jerks but the point was nobody with a college degree was watching the NFL. Do you want to just keep being wrong or sit this one out?

I have a million friends with college degrees and they love football

We all do. That PP who thinks nobody watches football is a moron.

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Anonymous wrote:Rhianna married washed up loser ASAP
Mariah Carey married loser Nick Cannon
Whitney Houston with losers Ray J and Bobby Brown
Britney married loser K-Fed
Taylor marrying this ugly doofus

This was Travis over the weekend. He is an unreformable idiot.

It is crazy how EVERY aging pop super star marries a loser

He’s a future hall of fame NFL tight end! Top of his profession. Jealous haters on this thread.

Yea but that doesn’t make him appealing to most women. That’s what you don’t seem to get. Joe Alwyn or Harry Styles are infinitely more appealing than Travis and the fact that he’s good at a sport that many women don’t regularly watch doesn’t matter. He’s just so cringe. That said, maybe he’s really great to her behind the scenes.

You have got to be kidding me. Those two are so cringe. Despite people like you, the sporty alpha male is still an attraction to many women. I would contend more women are attracted to a sports star that a scrawny music guy who dresses up in lace and pearls.

NP. I would never get together with a guy who gets paid to get concussions and so many of his cohorts are bad with money so they have to get training on how NOT to go bankrupt despite earning millions. Or a guy who looks like Paul Bunyan.

Nobody cares who you would or wouldn’t get together with.

Taylor swift does though because she needs her fans to want to be like her so they can buy into the idea that she is just like them but with magical song writing powers.

For me, I like a brawny burly man, but not one who buys into the machismo idea that crushing beers and trash talking about women’s back fat is okay. A brawny man who makes furniture and is respectful of women (meaning doesn’t put them down for physical appearance or make jokes about women as a group) sounds perfect.

Let me guess, you've never made jokes about men's physical appearances? Or is that different?

DP but I can honestly say I've never made jokes about anyone's appearance as an adult. I especially would never make fun of someone for their weight. Both of my parents are very overweight and I know how harmful comments like that are.

There have been a lot of negative comments about Travis' body in the past few pages. I don't think people even realize that they are massive hypocrites.

Well I've never said anything negative about his body but it does bother me that he talked about a woman that way.

Tell that to the people hating on his body here. He can't help the body he was born into.

Sure thing. Don’t make fun of people’s bodies. It is rude and not okay. OTOH, if you want to make fun of Travis because he seems overly interested in beer and looking “cool”/ not caring about being thoughtful to other, but only into his own status, you are right on track.

Yes, making "fun" of people is so mature and such a good look. This is how kids talk so it must be disappointed tweens in here.

I guess I I should have used the “grown up” term “hating” instead of “making fun of” ANd yes, sometimes when someone is “hating on” an entire group of people like cheerleaders or women with back fat, they should be shamed into changing their behavior. Not lauded as being hot because it makes you feel better than the other girls if he likes you.

DP. You seriously need to grow up and move on. I doubt you're this outraged by all the women making nasty comments about men's bodies.

You mean about Travis? No, I always think people commenting and “hating” or making fun of other people’s bodies is not okay. It is especially not okay online where things live forever. Why do you think that is fine? Why do you think a public figure should send out tweets about women’s bodies? Why are you okay with that and think that being adult means making mean comments or just accepting that rude comments are okay?

Didn’t this happen when he was 20? Hardly a public figure then and it was like 15 years ago. Move on.

So that makes it okay in your mind. It doesn’t to me. A quick little apology about it “being in the past” and you believe this beer slamming guy who more recently yelled at his coach did the hard work addressing aggressive manner and doesn’t have those same thoughts now. All of that behavior is about gaining power by putting others down. There is a pattern.

Beer slamming guy? Are you the tween poster? You still sound 12.

Travis and Justice Kavanaugh have a lot in common: “Have you boofed yet? “Yes, we drank beer. My friends and I. Boys and girls. Yes, we drank beer. I liked beer. Still like beer. We drank beer.”

And you are like, “OMG. He is SO cool! He even made fun of back fat!”

So cool? Are you losing your mind? Who said that anywhere? Someday you will be old enough to drink a beer, baby girl.

Yea, the person you’re responding too has major anger issues where she gets this wound up and cares this much about who Taylor is dating.
Btw, has anyone on here ever played football? I have. Yelling at coaches and them yelling at us comes with playing football.

Wrong again! I get wound up when I see people defending misogyny and people who gain power by brute force or putting people down in order to get power. I don’t care what Taylor does or who she is dating at all. I do care that she is a cultural icon for women during the rise of fascism. And that she and you as her defenders are contributing to the loss of women’s rights.
Anyone on here who is defending the belief that guzzling beers makes a man strong/ gives him social power is who I am addressing. You all are so far gone down this path, you are defensively lashing out rather than thinking.

Are you off your meds? Nobody is saying that drinking a beer makes him a man. Imagine being under the 24 hour scrutiny they are under all the time and they handle it well.
Who cares that she didn’t go to college. Lots of educated people didn’t go to college.

You sort of know the trade off for celebrity is privacy when you sign up for the big bucks. Sadly, though you are taking this very literally like I am saying drinking a beer will give him a d*** when really the comment is about the current culture war we as a nation are having about gender roles as a whole and masculinity in particular.

This board is fighting over Taylor’s type of man. Her exes represent a different type of man (more liberal and open and artsy) than her fiancé who exhibits a more conservative “maleness is aggressive power.” What is really going on is Swifties are mirroring the larger debate over manhood and manliness that is raging right now.

So yes, the beer guzzling man culture that is upheld in the NFL is misogynistic and Taylor is Queen of the crew. She has been asking to be picked out by a footballer for a long time and I think they are perfect for each other.

I don't see any reason to assume he's politically conservative. They hated him for doing the Pfizer vax ads.

This narrow view how men should be is why Dems have lost most male voters in this country.

If he is for broader women’s rights, he AND TAYLOR are keeping very quiet about it. I’m not sure pics of Taylor making sourdough bread in the kitchen with an apron on speaks to women’s rights. Contrast that to the beginning of her you need to calm down song where she is making fun of women in the kitchen.

And, yes this is exactly the debate that you all are having with Taylor as the flashpoint. Frankly, I sort of agree with you, but I also think Taylor’s anger at men and her portrayal of them as being “the bad guy” who took advantage of her also contributed to this dynamic. I always thought she took her revenge too far. The solution however isn’t a return to beer culture and baking in a kitchen which is exactly what TNT are doing right now. It is way to Berenstain Bears with Mama Taylor being so smart and dumb papa bear making the mistakes and slamming beers.

What is this bizarre obsession with beer and football? People drink beer and the NFL has never been more popular. You seem grossly out of touch with mainstream culture.

NFL is popular with uneducated prole gambling addicts, to be sure. College educated white collar professionals are more disinterested than ever.

Lol, sure. You think the white collar finance bros never talk about football? Or play fantasy football? You have no idea what you're talking about talking about.

White collar finance bros are where Taylor swift was crafted. They aren’t high status, they have zero morals as evidenced by our k shaped economy, so of course they would be all about a sport where brawn wins. It is the same quest for domination but on uses companies and other people money to play with while the football player uses their bodies and a ball. Same mentality different tools.

I know you think you're really smart but you come across as a dated buffoon. The NFL is deep into data analytics and statistical modeling. It has evolved into something you clearly know nothing about.

Funny. Didn’t ms swift herself use the same reference of finance bros as jerks in her THe Man video?
Of course the NFL is deep into data analytics that is how they knew they had to get more suburban mom support…. And they took the kelce/swift romance and ran it into the in zone!

Well, everyone thinks they are jerks but the point was nobody with a college degree was watching the NFL. Do you want to just keep being wrong or sit this one out?

Ohhh mean girl talk! Explain to me why I was wrong when I said Taylor referenced finance bros as jerks in her The Man video.
Or that the NFL needs suburban mom support and got tons of that when Taylor and Travis started dating.
I didn’t write anything about college degrees and the NFL at all. My point is why would you want to use finance bros as an example of people to emulate or as examples of smart professionals?

I'm not going to get into a lyric pissing match with you. You were dead wrong about the NFL audience. Take the L.

I’m not talking about lyrics in Taylor’s songs, I”m talking about her videos. The Man video has a scene that is a rip off of The Wolf of Wall Street which is movie about jerk finance bros. Taylor obviously has a negative take on them.

You are also confusing posters. I never said a word about college professionals and the NFL.

Are you okay? Any CTE going on? Or will you be able to read and respond this time?

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Anonymous wrote:Rhianna married washed up loser ASAP
Mariah Carey married loser Nick Cannon
Whitney Houston with losers Ray J and Bobby Brown
Britney married loser K-Fed
Taylor marrying this ugly doofus

This was Travis over the weekend. He is an unreformable idiot.

It is crazy how EVERY aging pop super star marries a loser

He’s a future hall of fame NFL tight end! Top of his profession. Jealous haters on this thread.

Yea but that doesn’t make him appealing to most women. That’s what you don’t seem to get. Joe Alwyn or Harry Styles are infinitely more appealing than Travis and the fact that he’s good at a sport that many women don’t regularly watch doesn’t matter. He’s just so cringe. That said, maybe he’s really great to her behind the scenes.

You have got to be kidding me. Those two are so cringe. Despite people like you, the sporty alpha male is still an attraction to many women. I would contend more women are attracted to a sports star that a scrawny music guy who dresses up in lace and pearls.

NP. I would never get together with a guy who gets paid to get concussions and so many of his cohorts are bad with money so they have to get training on how NOT to go bankrupt despite earning millions. Or a guy who looks like Paul Bunyan.

Nobody cares who you would or wouldn’t get together with.

Taylor swift does though because she needs her fans to want to be like her so they can buy into the idea that she is just like them but with magical song writing powers.

For me, I like a brawny burly man, but not one who buys into the machismo idea that crushing beers and trash talking about women’s back fat is okay. A brawny man who makes furniture and is respectful of women (meaning doesn’t put them down for physical appearance or make jokes about women as a group) sounds perfect.

Let me guess, you've never made jokes about men's physical appearances? Or is that different?

DP but I can honestly say I've never made jokes about anyone's appearance as an adult. I especially would never make fun of someone for their weight. Both of my parents are very overweight and I know how harmful comments like that are.

There have been a lot of negative comments about Travis' body in the past few pages. I don't think people even realize that they are massive hypocrites.

Well I've never said anything negative about his body but it does bother me that he talked about a woman that way.

Tell that to the people hating on his body here. He can't help the body he was born into.

Sure thing. Don’t make fun of people’s bodies. It is rude and not okay. OTOH, if you want to make fun of Travis because he seems overly interested in beer and looking “cool”/ not caring about being thoughtful to other, but only into his own status, you are right on track.

Yes, making "fun" of people is so mature and such a good look. This is how kids talk so it must be disappointed tweens in here.

I guess I I should have used the “grown up” term “hating” instead of “making fun of” ANd yes, sometimes when someone is “hating on” an entire group of people like cheerleaders or women with back fat, they should be shamed into changing their behavior. Not lauded as being hot because it makes you feel better than the other girls if he likes you.

DP. You seriously need to grow up and move on. I doubt you're this outraged by all the women making nasty comments about men's bodies.

You mean about Travis? No, I always think people commenting and “hating” or making fun of other people’s bodies is not okay. It is especially not okay online where things live forever. Why do you think that is fine? Why do you think a public figure should send out tweets about women’s bodies? Why are you okay with that and think that being adult means making mean comments or just accepting that rude comments are okay?

Didn’t this happen when he was 20? Hardly a public figure then and it was like 15 years ago. Move on.

So that makes it okay in your mind. It doesn’t to me. A quick little apology about it “being in the past” and you believe this beer slamming guy who more recently yelled at his coach did the hard work addressing aggressive manner and doesn’t have those same thoughts now. All of that behavior is about gaining power by putting others down. There is a pattern.

Beer slamming guy? Are you the tween poster? You still sound 12.

Travis and Justice Kavanaugh have a lot in common: “Have you boofed yet? “Yes, we drank beer. My friends and I. Boys and girls. Yes, we drank beer. I liked beer. Still like beer. We drank beer.”

And you are like, “OMG. He is SO cool! He even made fun of back fat!”

So cool? Are you losing your mind? Who said that anywhere? Someday you will be old enough to drink a beer, baby girl.

Yea, the person you’re responding too has major anger issues where she gets this wound up and cares this much about who Taylor is dating.
Btw, has anyone on here ever played football? I have. Yelling at coaches and them yelling at us comes with playing football.

Wrong again! I get wound up when I see people defending misogyny and people who gain power by brute force or putting people down in order to get power. I don’t care what Taylor does or who she is dating at all. I do care that she is a cultural icon for women during the rise of fascism. And that she and you as her defenders are contributing to the loss of women’s rights.
Anyone on here who is defending the belief that guzzling beers makes a man strong/ gives him social power is who I am addressing. You all are so far gone down this path, you are defensively lashing out rather than thinking.

Are you off your meds? Nobody is saying that drinking a beer makes him a man. Imagine being under the 24 hour scrutiny they are under all the time and they handle it well.
Who cares that she didn’t go to college. Lots of educated people didn’t go to college.

You sort of know the trade off for celebrity is privacy when you sign up for the big bucks. Sadly, though you are taking this very literally like I am saying drinking a beer will give him a d*** when really the comment is about the current culture war we as a nation are having about gender roles as a whole and masculinity in particular.

This board is fighting over Taylor’s type of man. Her exes represent a different type of man (more liberal and open and artsy) than her fiancé who exhibits a more conservative “maleness is aggressive power.” What is really going on is Swifties are mirroring the larger debate over manhood and manliness that is raging right now.

So yes, the beer guzzling man culture that is upheld in the NFL is misogynistic and Taylor is Queen of the crew. She has been asking to be picked out by a footballer for a long time and I think they are perfect for each other.

I don't see any reason to assume he's politically conservative. They hated him for doing the Pfizer vax ads.

This narrow view how men should be is why Dems have lost most male voters in this country.

If he is for broader women’s rights, he AND TAYLOR are keeping very quiet about it. I’m not sure pics of Taylor making sourdough bread in the kitchen with an apron on speaks to women’s rights. Contrast that to the beginning of her you need to calm down song where she is making fun of women in the kitchen.
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DP. Just in reference to the bolded, what on earth are you talking about? How does a woman making bread with an apron on speak to... ANYTHING at all, much less "women's rights"? Men AND women can both love cooking/baking. How ridiculous.

And she has never made fun of women in the kitchen, in that song or any other. Just very strange that this is what you've gotten from a song that is about defending gay people.

Look, if you want to travel around not knowing about Project 2025, or that the men who wrote it believe “women should belong in the kitchen” you seem to be able do that. If you are unaware of the standard Stay at Home mom in the 1950s that cooked dinner every night for “family dinners” that Project 2025 and the right are trying to drag us back to, I guess my generation did its job well. BUT, I think you are playing dumb to win internet points, so here is 10 points to you so you can feel like you are winning. The right is definitely attempting to take women backwards.

Meanwhile, there are serious attempts to strip women of rights (including the right to vote) that you should pay attention to. Taylor is absolutely leaning into her wifey era with the sourdough bread and Toy Story song. She is trying to translate her career into married woman role. She isn’t doing it well as far as I’m concerned because she is relying far too much on stereotypes that women had to break out of and are still fighting.
And yes, she was trying to “break out of the kitchen 1950s in her pride song” she burned the kitchen down in the video. She is your English teacher and that video had a ton of symbolism.

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Project 2025? Taylor as a trad wife?

If the plan is to have Taylor make $2 billion (that is her net worth - she just recently hit the 2 mark) and not have children until at least her late 30s, and then make sourdough while simultaneously making at least seven figures to write a song for Disney…I’m pretty far left, but if that’s the plan that’s something I can get behind.

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Anonymous wrote:Rhianna married washed up loser ASAP
Mariah Carey married loser Nick Cannon
Whitney Houston with losers Ray J and Bobby Brown
Britney married loser K-Fed
Taylor marrying this ugly doofus

This was Travis over the weekend. He is an unreformable idiot.

It is crazy how EVERY aging pop super star marries a loser

He’s a future hall of fame NFL tight end! Top of his profession. Jealous haters on this thread.

Yea but that doesn’t make him appealing to most women. That’s what you don’t seem to get. Joe Alwyn or Harry Styles are infinitely more appealing than Travis and the fact that he’s good at a sport that many women don’t regularly watch doesn’t matter. He’s just so cringe. That said, maybe he’s really great to her behind the scenes.

You have got to be kidding me. Those two are so cringe. Despite people like you, the sporty alpha male is still an attraction to many women. I would contend more women are attracted to a sports star that a scrawny music guy who dresses up in lace and pearls.

NP. I would never get together with a guy who gets paid to get concussions and so many of his cohorts are bad with money so they have to get training on how NOT to go bankrupt despite earning millions. Or a guy who looks like Paul Bunyan.

Nobody cares who you would or wouldn’t get together with.

Taylor swift does though because she needs her fans to want to be like her so they can buy into the idea that she is just like them but with magical song writing powers.

For me, I like a brawny burly man, but not one who buys into the machismo idea that crushing beers and trash talking about women’s back fat is okay. A brawny man who makes furniture and is respectful of women (meaning doesn’t put them down for physical appearance or make jokes about women as a group) sounds perfect.

Let me guess, you've never made jokes about men's physical appearances? Or is that different?

DP but I can honestly say I've never made jokes about anyone's appearance as an adult. I especially would never make fun of someone for their weight. Both of my parents are very overweight and I know how harmful comments like that are.

There have been a lot of negative comments about Travis' body in the past few pages. I don't think people even realize that they are massive hypocrites.

Well I've never said anything negative about his body but it does bother me that he talked about a woman that way.

Tell that to the people hating on his body here. He can't help the body he was born into.

Sure thing. Don’t make fun of people’s bodies. It is rude and not okay. OTOH, if you want to make fun of Travis because he seems overly interested in beer and looking “cool”/ not caring about being thoughtful to other, but only into his own status, you are right on track.

Yes, making "fun" of people is so mature and such a good look. This is how kids talk so it must be disappointed tweens in here.

I guess I I should have used the “grown up” term “hating” instead of “making fun of” ANd yes, sometimes when someone is “hating on” an entire group of people like cheerleaders or women with back fat, they should be shamed into changing their behavior. Not lauded as being hot because it makes you feel better than the other girls if he likes you.

DP. You seriously need to grow up and move on. I doubt you're this outraged by all the women making nasty comments about men's bodies.

You mean about Travis? No, I always think people commenting and “hating” or making fun of other people’s bodies is not okay. It is especially not okay online where things live forever. Why do you think that is fine? Why do you think a public figure should send out tweets about women’s bodies? Why are you okay with that and think that being adult means making mean comments or just accepting that rude comments are okay?

Didn’t this happen when he was 20? Hardly a public figure then and it was like 15 years ago. Move on.

So that makes it okay in your mind. It doesn’t to me. A quick little apology about it “being in the past” and you believe this beer slamming guy who more recently yelled at his coach did the hard work addressing aggressive manner and doesn’t have those same thoughts now. All of that behavior is about gaining power by putting others down. There is a pattern.

Beer slamming guy? Are you the tween poster? You still sound 12.

Travis and Justice Kavanaugh have a lot in common: “Have you boofed yet? “Yes, we drank beer. My friends and I. Boys and girls. Yes, we drank beer. I liked beer. Still like beer. We drank beer.”

And you are like, “OMG. He is SO cool! He even made fun of back fat!”

So cool? Are you losing your mind? Who said that anywhere? Someday you will be old enough to drink a beer, baby girl.

Yea, the person you’re responding too has major anger issues where she gets this wound up and cares this much about who Taylor is dating.
Btw, has anyone on here ever played football? I have. Yelling at coaches and them yelling at us comes with playing football.

Wrong again! I get wound up when I see people defending misogyny and people who gain power by brute force or putting people down in order to get power. I don’t care what Taylor does or who she is dating at all. I do care that she is a cultural icon for women during the rise of fascism. And that she and you as her defenders are contributing to the loss of women’s rights.
Anyone on here who is defending the belief that guzzling beers makes a man strong/ gives him social power is who I am addressing. You all are so far gone down this path, you are defensively lashing out rather than thinking.

Are you off your meds? Nobody is saying that drinking a beer makes him a man. Imagine being under the 24 hour scrutiny they are under all the time and they handle it well.
Who cares that she didn’t go to college. Lots of educated people didn’t go to college.

You sort of know the trade off for celebrity is privacy when you sign up for the big bucks. Sadly, though you are taking this very literally like I am saying drinking a beer will give him a d*** when really the comment is about the current culture war we as a nation are having about gender roles as a whole and masculinity in particular.

This board is fighting over Taylor’s type of man. Her exes represent a different type of man (more liberal and open and artsy) than her fiancé who exhibits a more conservative “maleness is aggressive power.” What is really going on is Swifties are mirroring the larger debate over manhood and manliness that is raging right now.

So yes, the beer guzzling man culture that is upheld in the NFL is misogynistic and Taylor is Queen of the crew. She has been asking to be picked out by a footballer for a long time and I think they are perfect for each other.

I don't see any reason to assume he's politically conservative. They hated him for doing the Pfizer vax ads.

This narrow view how men should be is why Dems have lost most male voters in this country.

If he is for broader women’s rights, he AND TAYLOR are keeping very quiet about it. I’m not sure pics of Taylor making sourdough bread in the kitchen with an apron on speaks to women’s rights. Contrast that to the beginning of her you need to calm down song where she is making fun of women in the kitchen.
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DP. Just in reference to the bolded, what on earth are you talking about? How does a woman making bread with an apron on speak to... ANYTHING at all, much less "women's rights"? Men AND women can both love cooking/baking. How ridiculous.

And she has never made fun of women in the kitchen, in that song or any other. Just very strange that this is what you've gotten from a song that is about defending gay people.

Look, if you want to travel around not knowing about Project 2025, or that the men who wrote it believe “women should belong in the kitchen” you seem to be able do that. If you are unaware of the standard Stay at Home mom in the 1950s that cooked dinner every night for “family dinners” that Project 2025 and the right are trying to drag us back to, I guess my generation did its job well. BUT, I think you are playing dumb to win internet points, so here is 10 points to you so you can feel like you are winning. The right is definitely attempting to take women backwards.

Meanwhile, there are serious attempts to strip women of rights (including the right to vote) that you should pay attention to. Taylor is absolutely leaning into her wifey era with the sourdough bread and Toy Story song. She is trying to translate her career into married woman role. She isn’t doing it well as far as I’m concerned because she is relying far too much on stereotypes that women had to break out of and are still fighting.
And yes, she was trying to “break out of the kitchen 1950s in her pride song” she burned the kitchen down in the video. She is your English teacher and that video had a ton of symbolism.

You act like Taylor baking is something new though. She's always been into baking and has been very vocal about it. One of her favorite shows is the Great British Baking Show. Making sourdough is just a popular millennial hobby that becomes addictive once you get into it and all you want to do is talk about it. Ask me how I know....

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Anonymous wrote:Rhianna married washed up loser ASAP
Mariah Carey married loser Nick Cannon
Whitney Houston with losers Ray J and Bobby Brown
Britney married loser K-Fed
Taylor marrying this ugly doofus

This was Travis over the weekend. He is an unreformable idiot.

It is crazy how EVERY aging pop super star marries a loser

He’s a future hall of fame NFL tight end! Top of his profession. Jealous haters on this thread.

Yea but that doesn’t make him appealing to most women. That’s what you don’t seem to get. Joe Alwyn or Harry Styles are infinitely more appealing than Travis and the fact that he’s good at a sport that many women don’t regularly watch doesn’t matter. He’s just so cringe. That said, maybe he’s really great to her behind the scenes.

You have got to be kidding me. Those two are so cringe. Despite people like you, the sporty alpha male is still an attraction to many women. I would contend more women are attracted to a sports star that a scrawny music guy who dresses up in lace and pearls.

NP. I would never get together with a guy who gets paid to get concussions and so many of his cohorts are bad with money so they have to get training on how NOT to go bankrupt despite earning millions. Or a guy who looks like Paul Bunyan.

Nobody cares who you would or wouldn’t get together with.

Taylor swift does though because she needs her fans to want to be like her so they can buy into the idea that she is just like them but with magical song writing powers.

For me, I like a brawny burly man, but not one who buys into the machismo idea that crushing beers and trash talking about women’s back fat is okay. A brawny man who makes furniture and is respectful of women (meaning doesn’t put them down for physical appearance or make jokes about women as a group) sounds perfect.

Let me guess, you've never made jokes about men's physical appearances? Or is that different?

DP but I can honestly say I've never made jokes about anyone's appearance as an adult. I especially would never make fun of someone for their weight. Both of my parents are very overweight and I know how harmful comments like that are.

There have been a lot of negative comments about Travis' body in the past few pages. I don't think people even realize that they are massive hypocrites.

Well I've never said anything negative about his body but it does bother me that he talked about a woman that way.

Tell that to the people hating on his body here. He can't help the body he was born into.

Sure thing. Don’t make fun of people’s bodies. It is rude and not okay. OTOH, if you want to make fun of Travis because he seems overly interested in beer and looking “cool”/ not caring about being thoughtful to other, but only into his own status, you are right on track.

Yes, making "fun" of people is so mature and such a good look. This is how kids talk so it must be disappointed tweens in here.

I guess I I should have used the “grown up” term “hating” instead of “making fun of” ANd yes, sometimes when someone is “hating on” an entire group of people like cheerleaders or women with back fat, they should be shamed into changing their behavior. Not lauded as being hot because it makes you feel better than the other girls if he likes you.

DP. You seriously need to grow up and move on. I doubt you're this outraged by all the women making nasty comments about men's bodies.

You mean about Travis? No, I always think people commenting and “hating” or making fun of other people’s bodies is not okay. It is especially not okay online where things live forever. Why do you think that is fine? Why do you think a public figure should send out tweets about women’s bodies? Why are you okay with that and think that being adult means making mean comments or just accepting that rude comments are okay?

Didn’t this happen when he was 20? Hardly a public figure then and it was like 15 years ago. Move on.

So that makes it okay in your mind. It doesn’t to me. A quick little apology about it “being in the past” and you believe this beer slamming guy who more recently yelled at his coach did the hard work addressing aggressive manner and doesn’t have those same thoughts now. All of that behavior is about gaining power by putting others down. There is a pattern.

Beer slamming guy? Are you the tween poster? You still sound 12.

Travis and Justice Kavanaugh have a lot in common: “Have you boofed yet? “Yes, we drank beer. My friends and I. Boys and girls. Yes, we drank beer. I liked beer. Still like beer. We drank beer.”

And you are like, “OMG. He is SO cool! He even made fun of back fat!”

So cool? Are you losing your mind? Who said that anywhere? Someday you will be old enough to drink a beer, baby girl.

Yea, the person you’re responding too has major anger issues where she gets this wound up and cares this much about who Taylor is dating.
Btw, has anyone on here ever played football? I have. Yelling at coaches and them yelling at us comes with playing football.

Wrong again! I get wound up when I see people defending misogyny and people who gain power by brute force or putting people down in order to get power. I don’t care what Taylor does or who she is dating at all. I do care that she is a cultural icon for women during the rise of fascism. And that she and you as her defenders are contributing to the loss of women’s rights.
Anyone on here who is defending the belief that guzzling beers makes a man strong/ gives him social power is who I am addressing. You all are so far gone down this path, you are defensively lashing out rather than thinking.

Are you off your meds? Nobody is saying that drinking a beer makes him a man. Imagine being under the 24 hour scrutiny they are under all the time and they handle it well.
Who cares that she didn’t go to college. Lots of educated people didn’t go to college.

You sort of know the trade off for celebrity is privacy when you sign up for the big bucks. Sadly, though you are taking this very literally like I am saying drinking a beer will give him a d*** when really the comment is about the current culture war we as a nation are having about gender roles as a whole and masculinity in particular.

This board is fighting over Taylor’s type of man. Her exes represent a different type of man (more liberal and open and artsy) than her fiancé who exhibits a more conservative “maleness is aggressive power.” What is really going on is Swifties are mirroring the larger debate over manhood and manliness that is raging right now.

So yes, the beer guzzling man culture that is upheld in the NFL is misogynistic and Taylor is Queen of the crew. She has been asking to be picked out by a footballer for a long time and I think they are perfect for each other.

I don't see any reason to assume he's politically conservative. They hated him for doing the Pfizer vax ads.

This narrow view how men should be is why Dems have lost most male voters in this country.

If he is for broader women’s rights, he AND TAYLOR are keeping very quiet about it. I’m not sure pics of Taylor making sourdough bread in the kitchen with an apron on speaks to women’s rights. Contrast that to the beginning of her you need to calm down song where she is making fun of women in the kitchen.

And, yes this is exactly the debate that you all are having with Taylor as the flashpoint. Frankly, I sort of agree with you, but I also think Taylor’s anger at men and her portrayal of them as being “the bad guy” who took advantage of her also contributed to this dynamic. I always thought she took her revenge too far. The solution however isn’t a return to beer culture and baking in a kitchen which is exactly what TNT are doing right now. It is way to Berenstain Bears with Mama Taylor being so smart and dumb papa bear making the mistakes and slamming beers.

What is this bizarre obsession with beer and football? People drink beer and the NFL has never been more popular. You seem grossly out of touch with mainstream culture.

NFL is popular with uneducated prole gambling addicts, to be sure. College educated white collar professionals are more disinterested than ever.

Oh, honey. Troll harder!
DP

The wealthiest and smartest cohorts prefer Premier League soccer, F1, PGA golf, tennis, and MLB baseball. And believe it or not -- no sports at all.

Pro football obsession is very low class coded.

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Anonymous wrote:Rhianna married washed up loser ASAP
Mariah Carey married loser Nick Cannon
Whitney Houston with losers Ray J and Bobby Brown
Britney married loser K-Fed
Taylor marrying this ugly doofus

This was Travis over the weekend. He is an unreformable idiot.

It is crazy how EVERY aging pop super star marries a loser

He’s a future hall of fame NFL tight end! Top of his profession. Jealous haters on this thread.

Yea but that doesn’t make him appealing to most women. That’s what you don’t seem to get. Joe Alwyn or Harry Styles are infinitely more appealing than Travis and the fact that he’s good at a sport that many women don’t regularly watch doesn’t matter. He’s just so cringe. That said, maybe he’s really great to her behind the scenes.

You have got to be kidding me. Those two are so cringe. Despite people like you, the sporty alpha male is still an attraction to many women. I would contend more women are attracted to a sports star that a scrawny music guy who dresses up in lace and pearls.

NP. I would never get together with a guy who gets paid to get concussions and so many of his cohorts are bad with money so they have to get training on how NOT to go bankrupt despite earning millions. Or a guy who looks like Paul Bunyan.

Nobody cares who you would or wouldn’t get together with.

Taylor swift does though because she needs her fans to want to be like her so they can buy into the idea that she is just like them but with magical song writing powers.

For me, I like a brawny burly man, but not one who buys into the machismo idea that crushing beers and trash talking about women’s back fat is okay. A brawny man who makes furniture and is respectful of women (meaning doesn’t put them down for physical appearance or make jokes about women as a group) sounds perfect.

Let me guess, you've never made jokes about men's physical appearances? Or is that different?

DP but I can honestly say I've never made jokes about anyone's appearance as an adult. I especially would never make fun of someone for their weight. Both of my parents are very overweight and I know how harmful comments like that are.

There have been a lot of negative comments about Travis' body in the past few pages. I don't think people even realize that they are massive hypocrites.

Well I've never said anything negative about his body but it does bother me that he talked about a woman that way.

Tell that to the people hating on his body here. He can't help the body he was born into.

Sure thing. Don’t make fun of people’s bodies. It is rude and not okay. OTOH, if you want to make fun of Travis because he seems overly interested in beer and looking “cool”/ not caring about being thoughtful to other, but only into his own status, you are right on track.

Yes, making "fun" of people is so mature and such a good look. This is how kids talk so it must be disappointed tweens in here.

I guess I I should have used the “grown up” term “hating” instead of “making fun of” ANd yes, sometimes when someone is “hating on” an entire group of people like cheerleaders or women with back fat, they should be shamed into changing their behavior. Not lauded as being hot because it makes you feel better than the other girls if he likes you.

DP. You seriously need to grow up and move on. I doubt you're this outraged by all the women making nasty comments about men's bodies.

You mean about Travis? No, I always think people commenting and “hating” or making fun of other people’s bodies is not okay. It is especially not okay online where things live forever. Why do you think that is fine? Why do you think a public figure should send out tweets about women’s bodies? Why are you okay with that and think that being adult means making mean comments or just accepting that rude comments are okay?

Didn’t this happen when he was 20? Hardly a public figure then and it was like 15 years ago. Move on.

So that makes it okay in your mind. It doesn’t to me. A quick little apology about it “being in the past” and you believe this beer slamming guy who more recently yelled at his coach did the hard work addressing aggressive manner and doesn’t have those same thoughts now. All of that behavior is about gaining power by putting others down. There is a pattern.

Beer slamming guy? Are you the tween poster? You still sound 12.

Travis and Justice Kavanaugh have a lot in common: “Have you boofed yet? “Yes, we drank beer. My friends and I. Boys and girls. Yes, we drank beer. I liked beer. Still like beer. We drank beer.”

And you are like, “OMG. He is SO cool! He even made fun of back fat!”

So cool? Are you losing your mind? Who said that anywhere? Someday you will be old enough to drink a beer, baby girl.

Yea, the person you’re responding too has major anger issues where she gets this wound up and cares this much about who Taylor is dating.
Btw, has anyone on here ever played football? I have. Yelling at coaches and them yelling at us comes with playing football.

Wrong again! I get wound up when I see people defending misogyny and people who gain power by brute force or putting people down in order to get power. I don’t care what Taylor does or who she is dating at all. I do care that she is a cultural icon for women during the rise of fascism. And that she and you as her defenders are contributing to the loss of women’s rights.
Anyone on here who is defending the belief that guzzling beers makes a man strong/ gives him social power is who I am addressing. You all are so far gone down this path, you are defensively lashing out rather than thinking.

Are you off your meds? Nobody is saying that drinking a beer makes him a man. Imagine being under the 24 hour scrutiny they are under all the time and they handle it well.
Who cares that she didn’t go to college. Lots of educated people didn’t go to college.

You sort of know the trade off for celebrity is privacy when you sign up for the big bucks. Sadly, though you are taking this very literally like I am saying drinking a beer will give him a d*** when really the comment is about the current culture war we as a nation are having about gender roles as a whole and masculinity in particular.

This board is fighting over Taylor’s type of man. Her exes represent a different type of man (more liberal and open and artsy) than her fiancé who exhibits a more conservative “maleness is aggressive power.” What is really going on is Swifties are mirroring the larger debate over manhood and manliness that is raging right now.

So yes, the beer guzzling man culture that is upheld in the NFL is misogynistic and Taylor is Queen of the crew. She has been asking to be picked out by a footballer for a long time and I think they are perfect for each other.

I don't see any reason to assume he's politically conservative. They hated him for doing the Pfizer vax ads.

This narrow view how men should be is why Dems have lost most male voters in this country.

If he is for broader women’s rights, he AND TAYLOR are keeping very quiet about it. I’m not sure pics of Taylor making sourdough bread in the kitchen with an apron on speaks to women’s rights. Contrast that to the beginning of her you need to calm down song where she is making fun of women in the kitchen.

And, yes this is exactly the debate that you all are having with Taylor as the flashpoint. Frankly, I sort of agree with you, but I also think Taylor’s anger at men and her portrayal of them as being “the bad guy” who took advantage of her also contributed to this dynamic. I always thought she took her revenge too far. The solution however isn’t a return to beer culture and baking in a kitchen which is exactly what TNT are doing right now. It is way to Berenstain Bears with Mama Taylor being so smart and dumb papa bear making the mistakes and slamming beers.

What is this bizarre obsession with beer and football? People drink beer and the NFL has never been more popular. You seem grossly out of touch with mainstream culture.

NFL is popular with uneducated prole gambling addicts, to be sure. College educated white collar professionals are more disinterested than ever.

Lol, sure. You think the white collar finance bros never talk about football? Or play fantasy football? You have no idea what you're talking about talking about.

White collar finance bros are where Taylor swift was crafted. They aren’t high status, they have zero morals as evidenced by our k shaped economy, so of course they would be all about a sport where brawn wins. It is the same quest for domination but on uses companies and other people money to play with while the football player uses their bodies and a ball. Same mentality different tools.

I know you think you're really smart but you come across as a dated buffoon. The NFL is deep into data analytics and statistical modeling. It has evolved into something you clearly know nothing about.

Funny. Didn’t ms swift herself use the same reference of finance bros as jerks in her THe Man video?
Of course the NFL is deep into data analytics that is how they knew they had to get more suburban mom support…. And they took the kelce/swift romance and ran it into the in zone!

Well, everyone thinks they are jerks but the point was nobody with a college degree was watching the NFL. Do you want to just keep being wrong or sit this one out?

Ohhh mean girl talk! Explain to me why I was wrong when I said Taylor referenced finance bros as jerks in her The Man video.
Or that the NFL needs suburban mom support and got tons of that when Taylor and Travis started dating.
I didn’t write anything about college degrees and the NFL at all. My point is why would you want to use finance bros as an example of people to emulate or as examples of smart professionals?

I'm not going to get into a lyric pissing match with you. You were dead wrong about the NFL audience. Take the L.

I’m not talking about lyrics in Taylor’s songs, I”m talking about her videos. The Man video has a scene that is a rip off of The Wolf of Wall Street which is movie about jerk finance bros. Taylor obviously has a negative take on them.

You are also confusing posters. I never said a word about college professionals and the NFL.

Are you okay? Any CTE going on? Or will you be able to read and respond this time?

I don't give a crap about her videos. The conversation was about who watches football. If you want to talk about something completely different then stop talking about who is or isn't watching football because you are obviously completely in over your head. Are you the silly tween poster again? Because that would explain a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:Rhianna married washed up loser ASAP
Mariah Carey married loser Nick Cannon
Whitney Houston with losers Ray J and Bobby Brown
Britney married loser K-Fed
Taylor marrying this ugly doofus

This was Travis over the weekend. He is an unreformable idiot.

It is crazy how EVERY aging pop super star marries a loser

He’s a future hall of fame NFL tight end! Top of his profession. Jealous haters on this thread.

Yea but that doesn’t make him appealing to most women. That’s what you don’t seem to get. Joe Alwyn or Harry Styles are infinitely more appealing than Travis and the fact that he’s good at a sport that many women don’t regularly watch doesn’t matter. He’s just so cringe. That said, maybe he’s really great to her behind the scenes.

You have got to be kidding me. Those two are so cringe. Despite people like you, the sporty alpha male is still an attraction to many women. I would contend more women are attracted to a sports star that a scrawny music guy who dresses up in lace and pearls.

NP. I would never get together with a guy who gets paid to get concussions and so many of his cohorts are bad with money so they have to get training on how NOT to go bankrupt despite earning millions. Or a guy who looks like Paul Bunyan.

Nobody cares who you would or wouldn’t get together with.

Taylor swift does though because she needs her fans to want to be like her so they can buy into the idea that she is just like them but with magical song writing powers.

For me, I like a brawny burly man, but not one who buys into the machismo idea that crushing beers and trash talking about women’s back fat is okay. A brawny man who makes furniture and is respectful of women (meaning doesn’t put them down for physical appearance or make jokes about women as a group) sounds perfect.

Let me guess, you've never made jokes about men's physical appearances? Or is that different?

DP but I can honestly say I've never made jokes about anyone's appearance as an adult. I especially would never make fun of someone for their weight. Both of my parents are very overweight and I know how harmful comments like that are.

There have been a lot of negative comments about Travis' body in the past few pages. I don't think people even realize that they are massive hypocrites.

Well I've never said anything negative about his body but it does bother me that he talked about a woman that way.

Tell that to the people hating on his body here. He can't help the body he was born into.

Sure thing. Don’t make fun of people’s bodies. It is rude and not okay. OTOH, if you want to make fun of Travis because he seems overly interested in beer and looking “cool”/ not caring about being thoughtful to other, but only into his own status, you are right on track.

Yes, making "fun" of people is so mature and such a good look. This is how kids talk so it must be disappointed tweens in here.

I guess I I should have used the “grown up” term “hating” instead of “making fun of” ANd yes, sometimes when someone is “hating on” an entire group of people like cheerleaders or women with back fat, they should be shamed into changing their behavior. Not lauded as being hot because it makes you feel better than the other girls if he likes you.

DP. You seriously need to grow up and move on. I doubt you're this outraged by all the women making nasty comments about men's bodies.

You mean about Travis? No, I always think people commenting and “hating” or making fun of other people’s bodies is not okay. It is especially not okay online where things live forever. Why do you think that is fine? Why do you think a public figure should send out tweets about women’s bodies? Why are you okay with that and think that being adult means making mean comments or just accepting that rude comments are okay?

Didn’t this happen when he was 20? Hardly a public figure then and it was like 15 years ago. Move on.

So that makes it okay in your mind. It doesn’t to me. A quick little apology about it “being in the past” and you believe this beer slamming guy who more recently yelled at his coach did the hard work addressing aggressive manner and doesn’t have those same thoughts now. All of that behavior is about gaining power by putting others down. There is a pattern.

Beer slamming guy? Are you the tween poster? You still sound 12.

Travis and Justice Kavanaugh have a lot in common: “Have you boofed yet? “Yes, we drank beer. My friends and I. Boys and girls. Yes, we drank beer. I liked beer. Still like beer. We drank beer.”

And you are like, “OMG. He is SO cool! He even made fun of back fat!”

So cool? Are you losing your mind? Who said that anywhere? Someday you will be old enough to drink a beer, baby girl.

Yea, the person you’re responding too has major anger issues where she gets this wound up and cares this much about who Taylor is dating.
Btw, has anyone on here ever played football? I have. Yelling at coaches and them yelling at us comes with playing football.

Wrong again! I get wound up when I see people defending misogyny and people who gain power by brute force or putting people down in order to get power. I don’t care what Taylor does or who she is dating at all. I do care that she is a cultural icon for women during the rise of fascism. And that she and you as her defenders are contributing to the loss of women’s rights.
Anyone on here who is defending the belief that guzzling beers makes a man strong/ gives him social power is who I am addressing. You all are so far gone down this path, you are defensively lashing out rather than thinking.

Are you off your meds? Nobody is saying that drinking a beer makes him a man. Imagine being under the 24 hour scrutiny they are under all the time and they handle it well.
Who cares that she didn’t go to college. Lots of educated people didn’t go to college.

You sort of know the trade off for celebrity is privacy when you sign up for the big bucks. Sadly, though you are taking this very literally like I am saying drinking a beer will give him a d*** when really the comment is about the current culture war we as a nation are having about gender roles as a whole and masculinity in particular.

This board is fighting over Taylor’s type of man. Her exes represent a different type of man (more liberal and open and artsy) than her fiancé who exhibits a more conservative “maleness is aggressive power.” What is really going on is Swifties are mirroring the larger debate over manhood and manliness that is raging right now.

So yes, the beer guzzling man culture that is upheld in the NFL is misogynistic and Taylor is Queen of the crew. She has been asking to be picked out by a footballer for a long time and I think they are perfect for each other.

I don't see any reason to assume he's politically conservative. They hated him for doing the Pfizer vax ads.

This narrow view how men should be is why Dems have lost most male voters in this country.

If he is for broader women’s rights, he AND TAYLOR are keeping very quiet about it. I’m not sure pics of Taylor making sourdough bread in the kitchen with an apron on speaks to women’s rights. Contrast that to the beginning of her you need to calm down song where she is making fun of women in the kitchen.

And, yes this is exactly the debate that you all are having with Taylor as the flashpoint. Frankly, I sort of agree with you, but I also think Taylor’s anger at men and her portrayal of them as being “the bad guy” who took advantage of her also contributed to this dynamic. I always thought she took her revenge too far. The solution however isn’t a return to beer culture and baking in a kitchen which is exactly what TNT are doing right now. It is way to Berenstain Bears with Mama Taylor being so smart and dumb papa bear making the mistakes and slamming beers.

What is this bizarre obsession with beer and football? People drink beer and the NFL has never been more popular. You seem grossly out of touch with mainstream culture.

NFL is popular with uneducated prole gambling addicts, to be sure. College educated white collar professionals are more disinterested than ever.

Oh, honey. Troll harder!
DP

The wealthiest and smartest cohorts prefer Premier League soccer, F1, PGA golf, tennis, and MLB baseball. And believe it or not -- no sports at all.

Pro football obsession is very low class coded.

Prove it. Show us the demographics.

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Look, if you want to travel around not knowing about Project 2025, or that the men who wrote it believe “women should belong in the kitchen” you seem to be able do that. If you are unaware of the standard Stay at Home mom in the 1950s that cooked dinner every night for “family dinners” that Project 2025 and the right are trying to drag us back to, I guess my generation did its job well. BUT, I think you are playing dumb to win internet points, so here is 10 points to you so you can feel like you are winning. The right is definitely attempting to take women backwards.

Meanwhile, there are serious attempts to strip women of rights (including the right to vote) that you should pay attention to. Taylor is absolutely leaning into her wifey era with the sourdough bread and Toy Story song. She is trying to translate her career into married woman role. She isn’t doing it well as far as I’m concerned because she is relying far too much on stereotypes that women had to break out of and are still fighting.
And yes, she was trying to “break out of the kitchen 1950s in her pride song” she burned the kitchen down in the video. She is your English teacher and that video had a ton of symbolism.

She isn't doing it well because she's washed up and old and everything she does is probably focus group tested. Her life is fake.

She's become an insecure middle aged lady who desperately tries to hop on trends, in a failed attempt to appear younger. Starring down 40, many women try to dress younger than their age, try to be into music kids are into, and use trendy lingo kids use. It's all super embarrassing. The sour dough thing was like a Covid TikTok trend 6 years ago.

I think she's so insulated and surrounded by yes-men that she probably thinks fans are legit jealous of her marrying this ugly bozo. Like, no sweetie, he's legitimately gross and embarrassing.

As far as the trad wife trendy thing, it's cute and goes viral when it's really attractive 22 or 23 year old Mormon newlyweds. It's not cute or aspirational when you're 36 and your fiancé is some old fat meathead. I think Swift has Peter Pan Syndrome and she struggles to mentally accept she's actually 36 years old.

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Look, if you want to travel around not knowing about Project 2025, or that the men who wrote it believe “women should belong in the kitchen” you seem to be able do that. If you are unaware of the standard Stay at Home mom in the 1950s that cooked dinner every night for “family dinners” that Project 2025 and the right are trying to drag us back to, I guess my generation did its job well. BUT, I think you are playing dumb to win internet points, so here is 10 points to you so you can feel like you are winning. The right is definitely attempting to take women backwards.

Meanwhile, there are serious attempts to strip women of rights (including the right to vote) that you should pay attention to. Taylor is absolutely leaning into her wifey era with the sourdough bread and Toy Story song. She is trying to translate her career into married woman role. She isn’t doing it well as far as I’m concerned because she is relying far too much on stereotypes that women had to break out of and are still fighting.
And yes, she was trying to “break out of the kitchen 1950s in her pride song” she burned the kitchen down in the video. She is your English teacher and that video had a ton of symbolism.

She isn't doing it well because she's washed up and old and everything she does is probably focus group tested. Her life is fake.

She's become an insecure middle aged lady who desperately tries to hop on trends, in a failed attempt to appear younger. Starring down 40, many women try to dress younger than their age, try to be into music kids are into, and use trendy lingo kids use. It's all super embarrassing. The sour dough thing was like a Covid TikTok trend 6 years ago.

I think she's so insulated and surrounded by yes-men that she probably thinks fans are legit jealous of her marrying this ugly bozo. Like, no sweetie, he's legitimately gross and embarrassing.

As far as the trad wife trendy thing, it's cute and goes viral when it's really attractive 22 or 23 year old Mormon newlyweds. It's not cute or aspirational when you're 36 and your fiancé is some old fat meathead. I think Swift has Peter Pan Syndrome and she struggles to mentally accept she's actually 36 years old.

How old are you exactly? 36 is extremely old? This all sounds like the ranting of a 16 yr old.

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Anonymous wrote:Rhianna married washed up loser ASAP
Mariah Carey married loser Nick Cannon
Whitney Houston with losers Ray J and Bobby Brown
Britney married loser K-Fed
Taylor marrying this ugly doofus

This was Travis over the weekend. He is an unreformable idiot.

It is crazy how EVERY aging pop super star marries a loser

He’s a future hall of fame NFL tight end! Top of his profession. Jealous haters on this thread.

Yea but that doesn’t make him appealing to most women. That’s what you don’t seem to get. Joe Alwyn or Harry Styles are infinitely more appealing than Travis and the fact that he’s good at a sport that many women don’t regularly watch doesn’t matter. He’s just so cringe. That said, maybe he’s really great to her behind the scenes.

You have got to be kidding me. Those two are so cringe. Despite people like you, the sporty alpha male is still an attraction to many women. I would contend more women are attracted to a sports star that a scrawny music guy who dresses up in lace and pearls.

NP. I would never get together with a guy who gets paid to get concussions and so many of his cohorts are bad with money so they have to get training on how NOT to go bankrupt despite earning millions. Or a guy who looks like Paul Bunyan.

Nobody cares who you would or wouldn’t get together with.

Taylor swift does though because she needs her fans to want to be like her so they can buy into the idea that she is just like them but with magical song writing powers.

For me, I like a brawny burly man, but not one who buys into the machismo idea that crushing beers and trash talking about women’s back fat is okay. A brawny man who makes furniture and is respectful of women (meaning doesn’t put them down for physical appearance or make jokes about women as a group) sounds perfect.

Let me guess, you've never made jokes about men's physical appearances? Or is that different?

DP but I can honestly say I've never made jokes about anyone's appearance as an adult. I especially would never make fun of someone for their weight. Both of my parents are very overweight and I know how harmful comments like that are.

There have been a lot of negative comments about Travis' body in the past few pages. I don't think people even realize that they are massive hypocrites.

Well I've never said anything negative about his body but it does bother me that he talked about a woman that way.

Tell that to the people hating on his body here. He can't help the body he was born into.

Sure thing. Don’t make fun of people’s bodies. It is rude and not okay. OTOH, if you want to make fun of Travis because he seems overly interested in beer and looking “cool”/ not caring about being thoughtful to other, but only into his own status, you are right on track.

Yes, making "fun" of people is so mature and such a good look. This is how kids talk so it must be disappointed tweens in here.

I guess I I should have used the “grown up” term “hating” instead of “making fun of” ANd yes, sometimes when someone is “hating on” an entire group of people like cheerleaders or women with back fat, they should be shamed into changing their behavior. Not lauded as being hot because it makes you feel better than the other girls if he likes you.

DP. You seriously need to grow up and move on. I doubt you're this outraged by all the women making nasty comments about men's bodies.

You mean about Travis? No, I always think people commenting and “hating” or making fun of other people’s bodies is not okay. It is especially not okay online where things live forever. Why do you think that is fine? Why do you think a public figure should send out tweets about women’s bodies? Why are you okay with that and think that being adult means making mean comments or just accepting that rude comments are okay?

Didn’t this happen when he was 20? Hardly a public figure then and it was like 15 years ago. Move on.

So that makes it okay in your mind. It doesn’t to me. A quick little apology about it “being in the past” and you believe this beer slamming guy who more recently yelled at his coach did the hard work addressing aggressive manner and doesn’t have those same thoughts now. All of that behavior is about gaining power by putting others down. There is a pattern.

Beer slamming guy? Are you the tween poster? You still sound 12.

Travis and Justice Kavanaugh have a lot in common: “Have you boofed yet? “Yes, we drank beer. My friends and I. Boys and girls. Yes, we drank beer. I liked beer. Still like beer. We drank beer.”

And you are like, “OMG. He is SO cool! He even made fun of back fat!”

So cool? Are you losing your mind? Who said that anywhere? Someday you will be old enough to drink a beer, baby girl.

Yea, the person you’re responding too has major anger issues where she gets this wound up and cares this much about who Taylor is dating.
Btw, has anyone on here ever played football? I have. Yelling at coaches and them yelling at us comes with playing football.

Wrong again! I get wound up when I see people defending misogyny and people who gain power by brute force or putting people down in order to get power. I don’t care what Taylor does or who she is dating at all. I do care that she is a cultural icon for women during the rise of fascism. And that she and you as her defenders are contributing to the loss of women’s rights.
Anyone on here who is defending the belief that guzzling beers makes a man strong/ gives him social power is who I am addressing. You all are so far gone down this path, you are defensively lashing out rather than thinking.

Are you off your meds? Nobody is saying that drinking a beer makes him a man. Imagine being under the 24 hour scrutiny they are under all the time and they handle it well.
Who cares that she didn’t go to college. Lots of educated people didn’t go to college.

You sort of know the trade off for celebrity is privacy when you sign up for the big bucks. Sadly, though you are taking this very literally like I am saying drinking a beer will give him a d*** when really the comment is about the current culture war we as a nation are having about gender roles as a whole and masculinity in particular.

This board is fighting over Taylor’s type of man. Her exes represent a different type of man (more liberal and open and artsy) than her fiancé who exhibits a more conservative “maleness is aggressive power.” What is really going on is Swifties are mirroring the larger debate over manhood and manliness that is raging right now.

So yes, the beer guzzling man culture that is upheld in the NFL is misogynistic and Taylor is Queen of the crew. She has been asking to be picked out by a footballer for a long time and I think they are perfect for each other.

I don't see any reason to assume he's politically conservative. They hated him for doing the Pfizer vax ads.

This narrow view how men should be is why Dems have lost most male voters in this country.

If he is for broader women’s rights, he AND TAYLOR are keeping very quiet about it. I’m not sure pics of Taylor making sourdough bread in the kitchen with an apron on speaks to women’s rights. Contrast that to the beginning of her you need to calm down song where she is making fun of women in the kitchen.

And, yes this is exactly the debate that you all are having with Taylor as the flashpoint. Frankly, I sort of agree with you, but I also think Taylor’s anger at men and her portrayal of them as being “the bad guy” who took advantage of her also contributed to this dynamic. I always thought she took her revenge too far. The solution however isn’t a return to beer culture and baking in a kitchen which is exactly what TNT are doing right now. It is way to Berenstain Bears with Mama Taylor being so smart and dumb papa bear making the mistakes and slamming beers.

What is this bizarre obsession with beer and football? People drink beer and the NFL has never been more popular. You seem grossly out of touch with mainstream culture.

NFL is popular with uneducated prole gambling addicts, to be sure. College educated white collar professionals are more disinterested than ever.

Oh, honey. Troll harder!
DP

The wealthiest and smartest cohorts prefer Premier League soccer, F1, PGA golf, tennis, and MLB baseball. And believe it or not -- no sports at all.

Pro football obsession is very low class coded.

Football is the most popular sport in America and it’s not even close.

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Look, if you want to travel around not knowing about Project 2025, or that the men who wrote it believe “women should belong in the kitchen” you seem to be able do that. If you are unaware of the standard Stay at Home mom in the 1950s that cooked dinner every night for “family dinners” that Project 2025 and the right are trying to drag us back to, I guess my generation did its job well. BUT, I think you are playing dumb to win internet points, so here is 10 points to you so you can feel like you are winning. The right is definitely attempting to take women backwards.

Meanwhile, there are serious attempts to strip women of rights (including the right to vote) that you should pay attention to. Taylor is absolutely leaning into her wifey era with the sourdough bread and Toy Story song. She is trying to translate her career into married woman role. She isn’t doing it well as far as I’m concerned because she is relying far too much on stereotypes that women had to break out of and are still fighting.
And yes, she was trying to “break out of the kitchen 1950s in her pride song” she burned the kitchen down in the video. She is your English teacher and that video had a ton of symbolism.

She isn't doing it well because she's washed up and old and everything she does is probably focus group tested. Her life is fake.

She's become an insecure middle aged lady who desperately tries to hop on trends, in a failed attempt to appear younger. Starring down 40, many women try to dress younger than their age, try to be into music kids are into, and use trendy lingo kids use. It's all super embarrassing. The sour dough thing was like a Covid TikTok trend 6 years ago.

I think she's so insulated and surrounded by yes-men that she probably thinks fans are legit jealous of her marrying this ugly bozo. Like, no sweetie, he's legitimately gross and embarrassing.

As far as the trad wife trendy thing, it's cute and goes viral when it's really attractive 22 or 23 year old Mormon newlyweds. It's not cute or aspirational when you're 36 and your fiancé is some old fat meathead. I think Swift has Peter Pan Syndrome and she struggles to mentally accept she's actually 36 years old.

How old are you exactly? 36 is extremely old? This all sounds like the ranting of a 16 yr old.

Context.

36 years old is ancient in pop music. Olivia Rodrigo is 23 yo. Sabrina Carpenter is 26 yo. No random American can name the last real "banger" by Swift because she's washed. Her album sales are all juked by crazy fans by multiple versions.

Country music skews older, but still, the best selling female artist in 2025 was 27 yo Megan Moroney.

36 is also ancient in trad wife aesthetics. That trend took off because of rich (Mormon) kids getting married in their early 20s. These kids are gorgeous and their life is aspiration and aesthetically pleasing. Taylor and her revolting dumb jock boyfriend are not aspirational in any way. It's cringe. She's trend chasing.

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It wasn't just rich Mormon kids. Rich Evangelicals too made those accounts on TikTok and instagram blow up.

But the point stands that it's not trad wife to finally get married at 36 years old. She's 10 if not 15 years too late for trad life aesthetics. And the ugly jock hubby getting fat off his garbage beer isn't going to help.

Trad life would have been Taylor marrying the Kennedy boy or Harry Styles back in 2012-2013. It's 2026.

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Look, if you want to travel around not knowing about Project 2025, or that the men who wrote it believe “women should belong in the kitchen” you seem to be able do that. If you are unaware of the standard Stay at Home mom in the 1950s that cooked dinner every night for “family dinners” that Project 2025 and the right are trying to drag us back to, I guess my generation did its job well. BUT, I think you are playing dumb to win internet points, so here is 10 points to you so you can feel like you are winning. The right is definitely attempting to take women backwards.

Meanwhile, there are serious attempts to strip women of rights (including the right to vote) that you should pay attention to. Taylor is absolutely leaning into her wifey era with the sourdough bread and Toy Story song. She is trying to translate her career into married woman role. She isn’t doing it well as far as I’m concerned because she is relying far too much on stereotypes that women had to break out of and are still fighting.
And yes, she was trying to “break out of the kitchen 1950s in her pride song” she burned the kitchen down in the video. She is your English teacher and that video had a ton of symbolism.

She isn't doing it well because she's washed up and old and everything she does is probably focus group tested. Her life is fake.

She's become an insecure middle aged lady who desperately tries to hop on trends, in a failed attempt to appear younger. Starring down 40, many women try to dress younger than their age, try to be into music kids are into, and use trendy lingo kids use. It's all super embarrassing. The sour dough thing was like a Covid TikTok trend 6 years ago.

I think she's so insulated and surrounded by yes-men that she probably thinks fans are legit jealous of her marrying this ugly bozo. Like, no sweetie, he's legitimately gross and embarrassing.

As far as the trad wife trendy thing, it's cute and goes viral when it's really attractive 22 or 23 year old Mormon newlyweds. It's not cute or aspirational when you're 36 and your fiancé is some old fat meathead. I think Swift has Peter Pan Syndrome and she struggles to mentally accept she's actually 36 years old.

How old are you exactly? 36 is extremely old? This all sounds like the ranting of a 16 yr old.

Context.

36 years old is ancient in pop music. Olivia Rodrigo is 23 yo. Sabrina Carpenter is 26 yo. No random American can name the last real "banger" by Swift because she's washed. Her album sales are all juked by crazy fans by multiple versions.

Country music skews older, but still, the best selling female artist in 2025 was 27 yo Megan Moroney.

36 is also ancient in trad wife aesthetics. That trend took off because of rich (Mormon) kids getting married in their early 20s. These kids are gorgeous and their life is aspiration and aesthetically pleasing. Taylor and her revolting dumb jock boyfriend are not aspirational in any way. It's cringe. She's trend chasing.

It's weird how you're so obsessed with these people you claim to loathe. You're gobbling it up like a sad brainwashed sheep.

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Anonymous wrote:Rhianna married washed up loser ASAP
Mariah Carey married loser Nick Cannon
Whitney Houston with losers Ray J and Bobby Brown
Britney married loser K-Fed
Taylor marrying this ugly doofus

This was Travis over the weekend. He is an unreformable idiot.

It is crazy how EVERY aging pop super star marries a loser

He’s a future hall of fame NFL tight end! Top of his profession. Jealous haters on this thread.

Yea but that doesn’t make him appealing to most women. That’s what you don’t seem to get. Joe Alwyn or Harry Styles are infinitely more appealing than Travis and the fact that he’s good at a sport that many women don’t regularly watch doesn’t matter. He’s just so cringe. That said, maybe he’s really great to her behind the scenes.

You have got to be kidding me. Those two are so cringe. Despite people like you, the sporty alpha male is still an attraction to many women. I would contend more women are attracted to a sports star that a scrawny music guy who dresses up in lace and pearls.

NP. I would never get together with a guy who gets paid to get concussions and so many of his cohorts are bad with money so they have to get training on how NOT to go bankrupt despite earning millions. Or a guy who looks like Paul Bunyan.

Nobody cares who you would or wouldn’t get together with.

Taylor swift does though because she needs her fans to want to be like her so they can buy into the idea that she is just like them but with magical song writing powers.

For me, I like a brawny burly man, but not one who buys into the machismo idea that crushing beers and trash talking about women’s back fat is okay. A brawny man who makes furniture and is respectful of women (meaning doesn’t put them down for physical appearance or make jokes about women as a group) sounds perfect.

Let me guess, you've never made jokes about men's physical appearances? Or is that different?

DP but I can honestly say I've never made jokes about anyone's appearance as an adult. I especially would never make fun of someone for their weight. Both of my parents are very overweight and I know how harmful comments like that are.

There have been a lot of negative comments about Travis' body in the past few pages. I don't think people even realize that they are massive hypocrites.

Well I've never said anything negative about his body but it does bother me that he talked about a woman that way.

Tell that to the people hating on his body here. He can't help the body he was born into.

Sure thing. Don’t make fun of people’s bodies. It is rude and not okay. OTOH, if you want to make fun of Travis because he seems overly interested in beer and looking “cool”/ not caring about being thoughtful to other, but only into his own status, you are right on track.

Yes, making "fun" of people is so mature and such a good look. This is how kids talk so it must be disappointed tweens in here.

I guess I I should have used the “grown up” term “hating” instead of “making fun of” ANd yes, sometimes when someone is “hating on” an entire group of people like cheerleaders or women with back fat, they should be shamed into changing their behavior. Not lauded as being hot because it makes you feel better than the other girls if he likes you.

DP. You seriously need to grow up and move on. I doubt you're this outraged by all the women making nasty comments about men's bodies.

You mean about Travis? No, I always think people commenting and “hating” or making fun of other people’s bodies is not okay. It is especially not okay online where things live forever. Why do you think that is fine? Why do you think a public figure should send out tweets about women’s bodies? Why are you okay with that and think that being adult means making mean comments or just accepting that rude comments are okay?

Didn’t this happen when he was 20? Hardly a public figure then and it was like 15 years ago. Move on.

So that makes it okay in your mind. It doesn’t to me. A quick little apology about it “being in the past” and you believe this beer slamming guy who more recently yelled at his coach did the hard work addressing aggressive manner and doesn’t have those same thoughts now. All of that behavior is about gaining power by putting others down. There is a pattern.

Beer slamming guy? Are you the tween poster? You still sound 12.

Travis and Justice Kavanaugh have a lot in common: “Have you boofed yet? “Yes, we drank beer. My friends and I. Boys and girls. Yes, we drank beer. I liked beer. Still like beer. We drank beer.”

And you are like, “OMG. He is SO cool! He even made fun of back fat!”

So cool? Are you losing your mind? Who said that anywhere? Someday you will be old enough to drink a beer, baby girl.

Yea, the person you’re responding too has major anger issues where she gets this wound up and cares this much about who Taylor is dating.
Btw, has anyone on here ever played football? I have. Yelling at coaches and them yelling at us comes with playing football.

Wrong again! I get wound up when I see people defending misogyny and people who gain power by brute force or putting people down in order to get power. I don’t care what Taylor does or who she is dating at all. I do care that she is a cultural icon for women during the rise of fascism. And that she and you as her defenders are contributing to the loss of women’s rights.
Anyone on here who is defending the belief that guzzling beers makes a man strong/ gives him social power is who I am addressing. You all are so far gone down this path, you are defensively lashing out rather than thinking.

Are you off your meds? Nobody is saying that drinking a beer makes him a man. Imagine being under the 24 hour scrutiny they are under all the time and they handle it well.
Who cares that she didn’t go to college. Lots of educated people didn’t go to college.

You sort of know the trade off for celebrity is privacy when you sign up for the big bucks. Sadly, though you are taking this very literally like I am saying drinking a beer will give him a d*** when really the comment is about the current culture war we as a nation are having about gender roles as a whole and masculinity in particular.

This board is fighting over Taylor’s type of man. Her exes represent a different type of man (more liberal and open and artsy) than her fiancé who exhibits a more conservative “maleness is aggressive power.” What is really going on is Swifties are mirroring the larger debate over manhood and manliness that is raging right now.

So yes, the beer guzzling man culture that is upheld in the NFL is misogynistic and Taylor is Queen of the crew. She has been asking to be picked out by a footballer for a long time and I think they are perfect for each other.

I don't see any reason to assume he's politically conservative. They hated him for doing the Pfizer vax ads.

This narrow view how men should be is why Dems have lost most male voters in this country.

If he is for broader women’s rights, he AND TAYLOR are keeping very quiet about it. I’m not sure pics of Taylor making sourdough bread in the kitchen with an apron on speaks to women’s rights. Contrast that to the beginning of her you need to calm down song where she is making fun of women in the kitchen.

And, yes this is exactly the debate that you all are having with Taylor as the flashpoint. Frankly, I sort of agree with you, but I also think Taylor’s anger at men and her portrayal of them as being “the bad guy” who took advantage of her also contributed to this dynamic. I always thought she took her revenge too far. The solution however isn’t a return to beer culture and baking in a kitchen which is exactly what TNT are doing right now. It is way to Berenstain Bears with Mama Taylor being so smart and dumb papa bear making the mistakes and slamming beers.

What is this bizarre obsession with beer and football? People drink beer and the NFL has never been more popular. You seem grossly out of touch with mainstream culture.

NFL is popular with uneducated prole gambling addicts, to be sure. College educated white collar professionals are more disinterested than ever.

Oh, honey. Troll harder!
DP

The wealthiest and smartest cohorts prefer Premier League soccer, F1, PGA golf, tennis, and MLB baseball. And believe it or not -- no sports at all.

Pro football obsession is very low class coded.

Football is the most popular sport in America and it’s not even close.

The PP is so braindead they called it "MLB baseball". Clearly arguing without facts is a hobby.