Shots fired at Trump rally

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So are conservatives warming to gun control?

Lots of conservatives want gun control. Not zero guns, but control, background checks, waiting periods, safety training etc. sure .

It doesn’t sound like this guy had any priors.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In the first few pages I questioned if this event was real or a publicity stunt, based on the first footage, it seeming unreal, and knowing that Trump is a reality-star, felon, showman. Clearly now, after details emerged and learning of the tragic deaths and injuries to bystanders, I don’t believe it was staged but rather that it’s an awful, unacceptable event in American politics.

I will never vote for Trump. But I can have sympathy for him after this. I don’t want to see him assassinated. I just don’t want him leading our country. I want him to retire to his golf course at Mar-a-Lago and leave our country alone.

I’m certainly not a crazy, irrational leftist. I’m a DC area mom worried about the future for my kids. I don’t trust anything from Trump. So the posts on here questioning whether this was real are not all crazy trolls. It shows we don’t believe anything out of Trump until corroborated by legitimate news services. He’s a liar and a terrible human. But he shouldn’t be assassinated.

Yes, all of this.

+2 though I can’t even have sympathy for him. This is the world he wanted, remember?
• in 2016, Trump essentially suggested “2nd Amendment solutions” as a response to Hillary Clinton’s existence. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/08/09/opinions/trump-second-amendment-falsehoods-dantonio
• in 2020 Trump shared a video saying “the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat.” https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/president-trump-shares-video-of-supporter-saying-the-only-good-democrat-is-a-dead-democrat/
• in January of this year Trump’s legal team argued that a president could assassinate his political rivals https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4398223-trump-team-argues-assassination-of-rivals-is-covered-by-presidential-immunity/mlite/?nxs-test=mlite

This is the world he wanted and made. My sympathy for him is minimal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the first few pages I questioned if this event was real or a publicity stunt, based on the first footage, it seeming unreal, and knowing that Trump is a reality-star, felon, showman. Clearly now, after details emerged and learning of the tragic deaths and injuries to bystanders, I don’t believe it was staged but rather that it’s an awful, unacceptable event in American politics.

I will never vote for Trump. But I can have sympathy for him after this. I don’t want to see him assassinated. I just don’t want him leading our country. I want him to retire to his golf course at Mar-a-Lago and leave our country alone.

I’m certainly not a crazy, irrational leftist. I’m a DC area mom worried about the future for my kids. I don’t trust anything from Trump. So the posts on here questioning whether this was real are not all crazy trolls. It shows we don’t believe anything out of Trump until corroborated by legitimate news services. He’s a liar and a terrible human. But he shouldn’t be assassinated.

Yes, all of this.

+2 though I can’t even have sympathy for him. This is the world he wanted, remember?
• in 2016, Trump essentially suggested “2nd Amendment solutions” as a response to Hillary Clinton’s existence. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/08/09/opinions/trump-second-amendment-falsehoods-dantonio
• in 2020 Trump shared a video saying “the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat.” https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/president-trump-shares-video-of-supporter-saying-the-only-good-democrat-is-a-dead-democrat/
• in January of this year Trump’s legal team argued that a president could assassinate his political rivals https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4398223-trump-team-argues-assassination-of-rivals-is-covered-by-presidential-immunity/mlite/?nxs-test=mlite

This is the world he wanted and made. My sympathy for him is minimal.

I completely agree.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump needs to get his own security. Democrats are trying to remove his right to USSS protection, Myorkas is denying increases for protection, and now there's been an assassination attempt from a rooftop 150 yards from his podium. The Penn state police said that rooftop wasn't part of the perimeter-- what? It's USSS and Law Enforcement's job to CREATE an adequate perimeter. The max effective range on an AR-15 is 600 meters, and they allowed an unsecured rooftop at 150 meters? This cannot be a simple mistake. There needs to be a full investigation and prosecutions for these people who are attempting to clear the path for assassins.

Has anyone thought about making AR-15s illegal?

Oh, right. Republicans want to keep them and have more people own them.

I consider myself anti-gun, but the reflexive urge to turn this into a gun control legislation debate is silly to me. You know what the shooter did was already super illegal, right?

But he couldn’t have done it if a 20 year old couldn’t just walk into a store and walk out with a high powered rifle.

This rejoinder is reasonably compelling when there is a mass shooting in a school or something. But this guy tried to assassinate the leading candidate for the presidency; the notion that he would have been dissuaded by the inconvenience of buying a gun on the black market is just ludicrous.

("Professor, why didn't Franz Josef just implement common-sense gun reform?")

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the first few pages I questioned if this event was real or a publicity stunt, based on the first footage, it seeming unreal, and knowing that Trump is a reality-star, felon, showman. Clearly now, after details emerged and learning of the tragic deaths and injuries to bystanders, I don’t believe it was staged but rather that it’s an awful, unacceptable event in American politics.

I will never vote for Trump. But I can have sympathy for him after this. I don’t want to see him assassinated. I just don’t want him leading our country. I want him to retire to his golf course at Mar-a-Lago and leave our country alone.

I’m certainly not a crazy, irrational leftist. I’m a DC area mom worried about the future for my kids. I don’t trust anything from Trump. So the posts on here questioning whether this was real are not all crazy trolls. It shows we don’t believe anything out of Trump until corroborated by legitimate news services. He’s a liar and a terrible human. But he shouldn’t be assassinated.

Yes, all of this.

+2 though I can’t even have sympathy for him. This is the world he wanted, remember?
• in 2016, Trump essentially suggested “2nd Amendment solutions” as a response to Hillary Clinton’s existence. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/08/09/opinions/trump-second-amendment-falsehoods-dantonio
• in 2020 Trump shared a video saying “the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat.” https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/president-trump-shares-video-of-supporter-saying-the-only-good-democrat-is-a-dead-democrat/
• in January of this year Trump’s legal team argued that a president could assassinate his political rivals https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4398223-trump-team-argues-assassination-of-rivals-is-covered-by-presidential-immunity/mlite/?nxs-test=mlite

This is the world he wanted and made. My sympathy for him is minimal.

President Trump on Thursday retweeted a video of a supporter saying that the "only good Democrat is a dead Democrat." The man in the video is a New Mexico politician who faced calls to resign after making the remark earlier this month.

Mr. Trump at midnight retweeted a video from Cowboys For Trump featuring the group's founder, Couy Griffin, who is also the Otero County commissioner. The clip shows Griffin speaking to a crowd of supporters.

"I've come to a place where I've come to the conclusion that the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat," Griffin says in the first seconds of the clip, drawing cheers and applause.

"I don't say that in the physical sense, and I can already see where the videos getting edited where it says I want to go murder Democrats," Griffin continues. "No. I say that in the political sense because the Democrat agenda and policy is anti-American right now."

-Couy Griffin, Otero County commissioner.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate that people are saying the photos are iconic and symbolic of bravery by trump. To me I think of those poor SS agents who literally have to get between him and the next bullet and he would rather have his moment than listen to them. It to me symbolizes his selfishness and how our systems enable him.

I am glad he’s ok. I am a for gun control and against violence of all kinds. But this event was a loss of life for at least one innocent person and the reason it wasn’t worse was because of the actions of a group of highly trained professionals- not Trump.

He pumped his fist after the shooter was killed. SS knew he was dead because they got an “All Clear” before moving Trump. You know this, so stop gaslighting us and condemning a man for bravely letting his supporters know he’s okay after getting shot in the face. You’re just scolding him to deflect from your deep shame and cowardice.

The SS knows there’s a chance of a second shooter or a coordinated attack which is why they are covering him with their bodies and trying to remove him from the scene. No one thought oh we are all good here, let’s get the rally going again. They are literally being used as human shields and he’s fighting them for a photo op. And people like it. Insane.

If I was shot in the face I would hope no one would Monday Morning Quarterback my defiant reactions. You sound like a total coward tbh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am completely confused about why he would get up and pump his fist immediately. Is it executive functioning missing?
If I was just grazed by a bullet I would not get up, I would be ducking until cleared.

One of the little bits of information that suggests maybe not all is as it seems.

The last time he thought he was being shot at he froze. It is possible that as his dementia has continued to develop, he may be losing those inhibitions.

And of course the fact that he was able to stop his USSS team and argue does not say good things about their relationship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So are conservatives warming to gun control?

Lots of conservatives want gun control. Not zero guns, but control, background checks, waiting periods, safety training etc. sure .

+1. Also, I'm tired of gun control being presented as a panacea. It could be part of a more comprehensive solution. But it's not "easy" to confiscate guns as a pp said-- and it isn't a substitute for harsh criminal penalties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate that people are saying the photos are iconic and symbolic of bravery by trump. To me I think of those poor SS agents who literally have to get between him and the next bullet and he would rather have his moment than listen to them. It to me symbolizes his selfishness and how our systems enable him.

I am glad he’s ok. I am a for gun control and against violence of all kinds. But this event was a loss of life for at least one innocent person and the reason it wasn’t worse was because of the actions of a group of highly trained professionals- not Trump.

He pumped his fist after the shooter was killed. SS knew he was dead because they got an “All Clear” before moving Trump. You know this, so stop gaslighting us and condemning a man for bravely letting his supporters know he’s okay after getting shot in the face. You’re just scolding him to deflect from your deep shame and cowardice.

The SS knows there’s a chance of a second shooter or a coordinated attack which is why they are covering him with their bodies and trying to remove him from the scene. No one thought oh we are all good here, let’s get the rally going again. They are literally being used as human shields and he’s fighting them for a photo op. And people like it. Insane.

If I was shot in the face I would hope no one would Monday Morning Quarterback my defiant reactions. You sound like a total coward tbh.

Trump always prioritizes a photo op.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So are conservatives warming to gun control?

Lots of conservatives want gun control. Not zero guns, but control, background checks, waiting periods, safety training etc. sure .

+1. Also, I'm tired of gun control being presented as a panacea. It could be part of a more comprehensive solution. But it's not "easy" to confiscate guns as a pp said-- and it isn't a substitute for harsh criminal penalties.

Omg we used to have stricter gun laws and guess what? We did not have mass shootings.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love how defensive people are. This registered republican isnt republican enough for the MAGA crowd even though he was registered as one. Never trumpers are republicans too. Republican on Republican violence.

It is well known that people register as the opposite party to vote in states that have closed primaries to try to influence the vote for or against candidates.

Donating to Act Blue on Biden’s inauguration day is not something a republican would do.

PA has closed primaries.

They would if they were old school republican disgusted with the behavior of Trump and his supporters that has taken over the party. Think back to January 2021, plenty of Republicans who were turning blue.

[Anonymous]

The place was filled with officers with guns, inside and outside the perimeter. Yet when ordinary unarmed citizens were screaming at the cops about this guy bear crawling up the building with a rifle, there was no real reaction from cops/SS. And it wasn’t quick, it was minutes. How the perp managed to squeeze off five or six rounds before one brave officer reacted is beyond me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hate that people are saying the photos are iconic and symbolic of bravery by trump. To me I think of those poor SS agents who literally have to get between him and the next bullet and he would rather have his moment than listen to them. It to me symbolizes his selfishness and how our systems enable him.

I am glad he’s ok. I am a for gun control and against violence of all kinds. But this event was a loss of life for at least one innocent person and the reason it wasn’t worse was because of the actions of a group of highly trained professionals- not Trump.

I saw this differently. Trump was in shock over what happened as anyone would be. His fist—at great risk to himself and SS—assured his crowd right then and there that he was ok and not killed. He is a leader type to be thinking of others at such a moment.

Ignore the trolls who claim it was just a publicity stunt to be shot at with live rounds such that Trump was literally an inch from death. I am stunned he came so close to assassination and how SS could let this happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how defensive people are. This registered republican isnt republican enough for the MAGA crowd even though he was registered as one. Never trumpers are republicans too. Republican on Republican violence.

It is well known that people register as the opposite party to vote in states that have closed primaries to try to influence the vote for or against candidates.

Donating to Act Blue on Biden’s inauguration day is not something a republican would do.

PA has closed primaries.

They would if they were old school republican disgusted with the behavior of Trump and his supporters that has taken over the party. Think back to January 2021, plenty of Republicans who were turning blue.

He was a 17 year old school republican?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am completely confused about why he would get up and pump his fist immediately. Is it executive functioning missing?
If I was just grazed by a bullet I would not get up, I would be ducking until cleared.

One of the little bits of information that suggests maybe not all is as it seems.

The last time he thought he was being shot at he froze. It is possible that as his dementia has continued to develop, he may be losing those inhibitions.

And of course the fact that he was able to stop his USSS team and argue does not say good things about their relationship.

Evil