Shots fired at Trump rally

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Anonymous wrote:Guys, I went ahead and dug this one up because this is something that still baffles me. It just doesn’t add up. I feel like I am wearing a tinfoil hat, but I have questions.

There is a lot that points to this being staged:

The weapon was an AR-15. I admittedly know nothing about guns, but does it make sense that this gun could make contact and do so little damage?

His ear completely healed, even though his doc said it was a 2 cm wide wound to the cartilage. That’s the size of a penny. A wound that size to cartilage would bleed profusely. That whole side of his head and shirt should have been covered in blood. And cartilage doesn’t heal. Compare his wound to Mike Tyson’s.

Doc said it came within a quarter of an inch from entering his head. If that’s true, it would have taken his ear off, to say the least! Not just a grazing that healed a couple of days later.

SS did not rush him out and they even let him put his shoes back on and stand up for a photo op. That is not how SS operates. They should have had him covered, out of sight, and in a bulletproof car in the blink of an eye.

Trump never talks about it, and there doesn’t seem to be a major investigation. This is a man who thrives on drama, attention, and revenge. I realize the shooter is dead, but Trump investigates everyone who looks at him funny. Shouldn’t he be investigating the parents, school, anyone who might have known his plan? Holding the parents accountable?

The lack of panic from the attendees. If you watch the video, there is very little reaction. Why weren’t they running, taking cover? Trump was shot and another man was killed right in front of them. Why are they barely reacting?

And Yet:

How would you possibly stage something like that? I can’t see Trump arranging for some kid to shoot at him but barely miss. And a man was actually shot. I do think Trump is evil enough to sacrifice a rally-goer, but idk.

The number of people who would have known about it. Seems far-fetched to find that many people who would agree to be in the vicinity of a 19 year old firing into a crowd, be it rally-goers, SS, or staff. Especially since a guy died, I feel like someone would have come forward by now.

So, I don’t really think the whole thing was staged, but it still just doesn’t make sense. Something was definitely off.

Some thoughts:

I suspect the “2cm” wound - which is quite large - is the result of a journalist mistaking “cm” for “mm”. A 2 mm wound - just a nick - would be consistent with a slight graze from a 5.56mm bullet. Journalists are typically not very good at math, conceptualizing numbers, or checking facts these days, so that seems like a plausible explanation - the reporter confused mm for cm, and err’d by a factor of 10.


The wound itself may have been created by the wake vortex of the bullet - the disturbed air around the surface of the bullet, about .5mm thick, rather than the actual surface of the bullet itself. Or perhaps the shock-cone of the bullet, which is a shockwave propagating through the air from the tip bullet at approximately a 45 degree angle. It would have to have been extremely close, since intensity of the shockwave falls off at the inverse-square relative to distance. You can actually see the wake vortex of the bullet passing behind him in the Pulitzer photo. That streak is the disturbed air around the much smaller/thinner bullet.

The secret service personnel were shamefully disorganized and incompetent. Which is about what we should expect from them, since the other incidents in the past that have provided insights into poor judgment and incompetence and bad behavior on the part of the secret service. So this is true to form. However, they also knew the shooter had been taken out by their own counter sniper team at that point. But they couldn’t have know there might’ve been another sniper, waiting to engage after the initial chaos. Again - incompetence.


I think Trump doesn’t discuss it much because for him, it was a moment where he almost died, and he knows it, and his ego, his personality, his everything, couldn’t have stopped it. For him, it’s too uncomfortable to think about much. It reminds him that he’s not in total control of everything, and it makes him feel vulnerable. He doesn’t like that.


Investigation into shooter? Where is the media that should’ve been doing this for the last year? They’re AWOL. I cannot explain why the NYT or WaPo haven’t been doing a deep dive into every person who knew this guy. We knew more about a plumber from Ohio named Joe, 12 hours after he asked Obama an embarrassing question at a campaign event, than we know a year later about a guy who shot Trump. That’s journalistic malpractice.


The lack of panic from attendees? They’re all paralyzed/confused by the shock of what’s happening. They’re frozen. Pretty normal reaction for people, actually. A few understand what’s happening, and they’re probably trying not to panic so they don’t accidentally get shot by secret service. Which is pretty sensible on their part, given the secret service. Plus, I’m sure quite a few people in the crowd also figured something like this would happen sooner or later, and here it is.



As for the dead attendee, Mr Campetore…. I work with a person who insists that he was a crisis actor paid for by Trump/MAGA, and is in fact not dead at all, but living happily under an assumed identity, in a new place, with a lot of cash to start his new life. Would YOU recognize him if you met a stranger months later who moved to your neighborhood and kept to himself? I had to admit, I wouldn’t. I still think my coworker is crazy, but it goes to show you the right doesn’t have sole ownership of nutters. There’s plenty on the other side of the fence too, and she’s proof of it.


I think the simplest explanation is the most likely - Trump was shot at, grazed slightly in the ear, and was extremely lucky that he turned his head a couple seconds before. Because otherwise that bullet would’ve been dead center in his head.


That’s the simplest explanation.

I find these explanations of Trump’s wound to be very plausible. We have definitely been lied to about his ear’s being struck by the bullet itself and the size of the wound. What plausible reason is there for Trump to refuse to let any of the treating ER physicians make statements about his injury or allow any portion of his medical records from that day be released publicly?

Does it matter though? Even if it were the wake vortex or shock cone of the bullet, that still means he came with .5mm of getting shot. And less than an inch from a bullet tearing through his skull. It drew blood.

We can all agree that counts as “getting hit by a bullet”.

If I winged your kid like that, you’d be ready to kill me, right? Sure you would.
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A bullet’s missing you by the narrowest of margins is not the same as the bullet’s actually hitting you. If the bullet actually hit you, you wouldn’t be fully healed, without a scar, two weeks later. Getting struck by a bullet fired from an AR-15 has more severe consequences than that.

So what? Are you butt hurt because your leader did or didn't actually take a bullet?

I’m grateful Trump wasn’t hit because that would have been very bad for this country and may have lead to rampant violence among our citizens, but I don’t like the lies and coverup surrounding this incident. I’m concerned about the role the Secret Service played, whether wittingly or unwittingly.

Umkay. Let me guess, the 2020 election was stolen and you've been abducted by aliens a few times too. Umkay.

Boy did you guess wrong! I loathe Trump, voted for Clinton and then Biden and then Harris, know that there is no credible evidence 2020 was stolen, and am very upset about the J6ers being pardoned.

I won’t be sad when Trump dies, but I don’t want it to be at the hands of an assassin and I don’t want a random person with mental health issues to disrupt a presidential election.

I want a thorough investigation conducted on the Butler rally shooting, I want the results to be made public, I want better Secret Service protection, and I don’t want to be lied to.

No, I had you figured out. A pea-brain who is just as gullible as the MAGA idiots per your comments about the "lies and coverup surrounding this incident". You said that. Not me and not any person of at least average intelligence who doesn't fall for any and every conspiracy theory that fits a preferred narrative.

So you believe Trump’s ear was actually struck by the bullet, but magically regenerated? He claims to have been hit by the bullet, but obviously he wasn’t.

This was a failure of epic proportions by the Secret Service. They didn’t follow their own protocol. We should know who failed to do their job and, if they can be ascertained, the reasons why.

It was no doubt a Secret Service failure just as when JFK and Reagan were shot. Anytime a bullet gets that close to a POTUS, it's a Secret Service failure even if they've done everything humanly possible to prevent such an occurrence. This being said; we have no clear evidence of the 2020 election being "stolen" and no clear evidence of this being some kind of conspiracy cover-up and therefore anyone claiming these ridiculous things is a complete and utter useless idiot.

And the magic healing and regeneration of his ear? You didn’t address that.

Trump is the antichrist?

Revelation 13:3

Probably. I’ve been saying this for years and I’m an atheist.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I just saw this video and I’m now convinced it was a fake. I said a few pages back, I could be convinced, and yeah, one look at this video is everything you need to know.

Look at the guy in the blue suit walk across the screen and moments later he’s ushering them to front of stage. The guy with the gun turns his back on the crowd and lets “journalists” approach (he doesn’t know if they’d be a threat) with cameras right in front of the president who was just shot. Also, there is literally a flag lowering to get in the fist-raised shot.

Finally, for the misogynist poster, there are several guys.

It looks like the Threads guy who posted it is lying, since it has a watermark, so maybe ya’ll have seen it. Read the comments….

https://www.threads.com/@jonesjerrys/post/DMDDL7Oswlv?xmt=AQF0S5ahjNaftmQJQSJaO5GmTOsffJuaOQ_gpBmg8y5ofA

Holy crap. It does look all the more staged now. The claim earlier that tiny little women couldn't get Trump off the stage is totally bogus. There were three large guys there who could have easily moved him off the stage. They stopped, huddled, waited, no rush at all. And I'm absolutely astounded that the officer in tactical gear did absolutely nothing, said absolutely nothing as photographers came right up to the stage, and it was SO OBVIOUS that they paused and let him pose for those cameras. Any one of those photographers could have been a second gunman but didn't even get a second glance.

It's also bizarre that the photographers and cameraman are completely focused on Trump and nothing else, no concern about the actual gunman, who for all they know might still be on a rooftop taking aim with more shots and more victims. Nah, don't bother to duck or seek cover. Weird, weird, weird.

Do you not understand what professional photographers and camera people do? They get paid to get the shot. That’s all that matters to them. They’re not worried about seeking cover. They’re trying to get their shot.

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I’m now 100% convinced that every person on this thread who is still saying this was staged is a RWNJ troll who is pretending to be a progressive, and posting the absolute craziest, wingnuttingest, dumbest sh!t they can possibly come up with, in an effort to make us look like fools.


That’s the only explanation. Because I refuse to believe that some of you are this stupid. You are ALL trolls.

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I'm skeptical of the whole thing, but at the very least the severity of his injury and its cause are suspect.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm skeptical of the whole thing, but at the very least the severity of his injury and its cause are suspect.

The whole darn thing. Why does Trump not talk about the shooter-he loves to go off on everyone and everything he feels is against him. No news on shooter-no medical reports shown. Secret service allowing him to take his time and have a picture....nothing adds up nothing. His ear back to normal in days...Nothing!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm skeptical of the whole thing, but at the very least the severity of his injury and its cause are suspect.

The whole darn thing. Why does Trump not talk about the shooter-he loves to go off on everyone and everything he feels is against him. No news on shooter-no medical reports shown. Secret service allowing him to take his time and have a picture....nothing adds up nothing. His ear back to normal in days...Nothing!

Oh and him grifting with his fight fight picture....making money

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Anonymous wrote:I'm skeptical of the whole thing, but at the very least the severity of his injury and its cause are suspect.

The whole darn thing. Why does Trump not talk about the shooter-he loves to go off on everyone and everything he feels is against him. No news on shooter-no medical reports shown. Secret service allowing him to take his time and have a picture....nothing adds up nothing. His ear back to normal in days...Nothing!

Oh and him grifting with his fight fight picture....making money

And hanging it in the White House.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m now 100% convinced that every person on this thread who is still saying this was staged is a RWNJ troll who is pretending to be a progressive, and posting the absolute craziest, wingnuttingest, dumbest sh!t they can possibly come up with, in an effort to make us look like fools.


That’s the only explanation. Because I refuse to believe that some of you are this stupid. You are ALL trolls.

Then explain the questions that are being discussed

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I just saw this video and I’m now convinced it was a fake. I said a few pages back, I could be convinced, and yeah, one look at this video is everything you need to know.

Look at the guy in the blue suit walk across the screen and moments later he’s ushering them to front of stage. The guy with the gun turns his back on the crowd and lets “journalists” approach (he doesn’t know if they’d be a threat) with cameras right in front of the president who was just shot. Also, there is literally a flag lowering to get in the fist-raised shot.

Finally, for the misogynist poster, there are several guys.

It looks like the Threads guy who posted it is lying, since it has a watermark, so maybe ya’ll have seen it. Read the comments….

https://www.threads.com/@jonesjerrys/post/DMDDL7Oswlv?xmt=AQF0S5ahjNaftmQJQSJaO5GmTOsffJuaOQ_gpBmg8y5ofA

I just watched this while focusing only on the people in the stands. A man in those bleachers had JUST been shot in the head and killed in front of his family. And nobody is reacting to that…at all???

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Anonymous wrote:I’m now 100% convinced that every person on this thread who is still saying this was staged is a RWNJ troll who is pretending to be a progressive, and posting the absolute craziest, wingnuttingest, dumbest sh!t they can possibly come up with, in an effort to make us look like fools.


That’s the only explanation. Because I refuse to believe that some of you are this stupid. You are ALL trolls.

Can you explain why a flag is being lowered after he’s been shot? That is probably the most damning. Did you watch the video?

Dems don’t look like fools. Dems are posting this. Please watch the two videos Trump v Reagan and get back.

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I’m now 100% convinced that every person on this thread who is still saying this was staged is a RWNJ troll who is pretending to be a progressive, and posting the absolute craziest, wingnuttingest, dumbest sh!t they can possibly come up with, in an effort to make us look like fools.


That’s the only explanation. Because I refuse to believe that some of you are this stupid. You are ALL trolls. [/quote]

[b]Can you explain why a flag is being lowered after he’s been shot? That is probably the most damning. Did you watch the video? [/b]

Dems don’t look like fools. Dems are posting this. Please watch the two videos Trump v Reagan and get back. [/quote]

Well, of course it is because Trump actually died and they found a double to serve in his place.
Just like the movie, "Dave."
I can't believe you didn't know this.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I just saw this video and I’m now convinced it was a fake. I said a few pages back, I could be convinced, and yeah, one look at this video is everything you need to know.

Look at the guy in the blue suit walk across the screen and moments later he’s ushering them to front of stage. The guy with the gun turns his back on the crowd and lets “journalists” approach (he doesn’t know if they’d be a threat) with cameras right in front of the president who was just shot. Also, there is literally a flag lowering to get in the fist-raised shot.

Finally, for the misogynist poster, there are several guys.

It looks like the Threads guy who posted it is lying, since it has a watermark, so maybe ya’ll have seen it. Read the comments….

https://www.threads.com/@jonesjerrys/post/DMDDL7Oswlv?xmt=AQF0S5ahjNaftmQJQSJaO5GmTOsffJuaOQ_gpBmg8y5ofA

I just watched this while focusing only on the people in the stands. A man in those bleachers had JUST been shot in the head and killed in front of his family. And nobody is reacting to that…at all???

Yes, I said upthread I was at a Nats game when shots rang outside an entrance. It was chaos. People ducking, covering loved ones. Some running. None of this was normal. Human instinct doesn’t work that way.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m now 100% convinced that every person on this thread who is still saying this was staged is a RWNJ troll who is pretending to be a progressive, and posting the absolute craziest, wingnuttingest, dumbest sh!t they can possibly come up with, in an effort to make us look like fools.


That’s the only explanation. Because I refuse to believe that some of you are this stupid. You are ALL trolls.

I hear you. But, I do believe these are liberals posting this crap.
They just cannot admit the truth.... that the SS did a crappy job that day and that the Republican candidate for president was almost killed as a result.
And, a firefighter in the stands was killed by the crazy gunman.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m now 100% convinced that every person on this thread who is still saying this was staged is a RWNJ troll who is pretending to be a progressive, and posting the absolute craziest, wingnuttingest, dumbest sh!t they can possibly come up with, in an effort to make us look like fools.


That’s the only explanation. Because I refuse to believe that some of you are this stupid. You are ALL trolls.

I hear you. But, I do believe these are liberals posting this crap.
They just cannot admit the truth.... that the SS did a crappy job that day and that the Republican candidate for president was almost killed as a result.
And, a firefighter in the stands was killed by the crazy gunman.

Just explain the man ushering the journalists. Explain the flag lowering.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m now 100% convinced that every person on this thread who is still saying this was staged is a RWNJ troll who is pretending to be a progressive, and posting the absolute craziest, wingnuttingest, dumbest sh!t they can possibly come up with, in an effort to make us look like fools.


That’s the only explanation. Because I refuse to believe that some of you are this stupid. You are ALL trolls.

I hear you. But, I do believe these are liberals posting this crap.
They just cannot admit the truth.... that the SS did a crappy job that day and that the Republican candidate for president was almost killed as a result.
And, a firefighter in the stands was killed by the crazy gunman.

Nope. I believe SS did a terrible job. I believe an innocent bystander was killed. And I believe Trump’s team groomed the mentally ill kid online to do this. I believe it all happened. I just believe the lunatic who benefited from it planned it and didn’t give $hit if it meant an innocent person or people would die. Because that’s the kind of narcissistic psychopath he is.