Pope says no to blessing same-sex unions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So next we inspect the natural world to guess at his design. Nature is full of homosexuality. Nature is full of creatures that switch genders. Nature is full of creatures that switch between sexual and asexual reproduction. And people can be born with XY chromosomes and female genitalia. What part of God's design was that, and could he please explain who this person can marry? No, you have to arbitrarily throw out these many contradictions in nature because they are not the norm. Guess what? Celibacy is not the norm, and yet the Church allows it and even expects it of some people. Why does the Church create an exception to this idea that procreation is fundamental to our design?

No, nature is not full of homosexuality. It is amazing how people scrape the bottom of the logic barrel in an attempt to justify this sin. Anyone who has been around dogs knows that its mating instinct can be triggered and will attempt to "mate" with your leg. The instances of so-called homosexuality in animals is that when a male had mated with a female and the estruus remained on the mating male, another male animal attempted to mate because its mating instincts were triggered by the chemicals in the estruus. Mammals mate when the female goes into heat.

Because we are in a fallen state, there are mutations and deformities that can cause a person to have genitalia different than the chromosomes. This is not normal, it is an extremely rare condition, but people want to use this as a means for "the exception to prove the rule." Sorry, it does not work that way, any more than you can say schizophrenia is normal.

Homosexuality is a conscious, willful choice. To be one, that person has to deny the biological truth that 2 people of the same sex "mating" with one another cannot produce a baby. Somehow, it has to enter the mind that, "Yes, I produce sperm designed to impregnate a woman but I 'feel/think/believe' otherwise." It is a travesty that our culture does not try to correct these confused people but encourage them in their sexually disoriented state.

No person is "born gay" and there is no "gay gene", just as no person is born a murderer or has a gene for adultery. There are people who have hormonal imbalances that cause, for instance, a male to be less masculine and a woman to be less feminine, and often these people as children are picked on and ridiculed for being different and so they gravitate towards homosexuality. Others are molested as children, or fall victim to propaganda that convinces the confused person to attempt to mate with a member of the same sex.

The sole and only purpose for sperm is to fertilize an egg. Therefore, sex is to be between male and female which is how God designed the human body. We do not produce asexually or any other manner.

Why is this self-evident truth, an elementary basic fact for crying out loud, so difficult for people, most of whom are found in the Democratic party, to understand? I can only conclude such people are evil, their minds seared as with a hot iron, their minds given over to a reprobate mind that refuses to see truth.

Watch out...you’re speaking too much truth and science!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So next we inspect the natural world to guess at his design. Nature is full of homosexuality. Nature is full of creatures that switch genders. Nature is full of creatures that switch between sexual and asexual reproduction. And people can be born with XY chromosomes and female genitalia. What part of God's design was that, and could he please explain who this person can marry? No, you have to arbitrarily throw out these many contradictions in nature because they are not the norm. Guess what? Celibacy is not the norm, and yet the Church allows it and even expects it of some people. Why does the Church create an exception to this idea that procreation is fundamental to our design?

No, nature is not full of homosexuality. It is amazing how people scrape the bottom of the logic barrel in an attempt to justify this sin. Anyone who has been around dogs knows that its mating instinct can be triggered and will attempt to "mate" with your leg. The instances of so-called homosexuality in animals is that when a male had mated with a female and the estruus remained on the mating male, another male animal attempted to mate because its mating instincts were triggered by the chemicals in the estruus. Mammals mate when the female goes into heat.

Because we are in a fallen state, there are mutations and deformities that can cause a person to have genitalia different than the chromosomes. This is not normal, it is an extremely rare condition, but people want to use this as a means for "the exception to prove the rule." Sorry, it does not work that way, any more than you can say schizophrenia is normal.

Homosexuality is a conscious, willful choice. To be one, that person has to deny the biological truth that 2 people of the same sex "mating" with one another cannot produce a baby. Somehow, it has to enter the mind that, "Yes, I produce sperm designed to impregnate a woman but I 'feel/think/believe' otherwise." It is a travesty that our culture does not try to correct these confused people but encourage them in their sexually disoriented state.

No person is "born gay" and there is no "gay gene", just as no person is born a murderer or has a gene for adultery. There are people who have hormonal imbalances that cause, for instance, a male to be less masculine and a woman to be less feminine, and often these people as children are picked on and ridiculed for being different and so they gravitate towards homosexuality. Others are molested as children, or fall victim to propaganda that convinces the confused person to attempt to mate with a member of the same sex.

The sole and only purpose for sperm is to fertilize an egg. Therefore, sex is to be between male and female which is how God designed the human body. We do not produce asexually or any other manner.

Why is this self-evident truth, an elementary basic fact for crying out loud, so difficult for people, most of whom are found in the Democratic party, to understand? I can only conclude such people are evil, their minds seared as with a hot iron, their minds given over to a reprobate mind that refuses to see truth.

I too agree that marriages between infertile couples should automatically be dissolved

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That is true. ^ I’m catholic but not super knowledgeable in the catechism to argue these things. And I’m mostly speaking from the biological fact of man and woman reproducing as we expect. But I don’t know why God has allowed these things in his creation.

Fr. mike Schmitz has a lot of good stuff out there and explains things clearly. I’m sure he’s spoken about this as it relates to the Catholic Church.

because the Bronze Age priests who created our notion of god didn't know much about biology?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So next we inspect the natural world to guess at his design. Nature is full of homosexuality. Nature is full of creatures that switch genders. Nature is full of creatures that switch between sexual and asexual reproduction. And people can be born with XY chromosomes and female genitalia. What part of God's design was that, and could he please explain who this person can marry? No, you have to arbitrarily throw out these many contradictions in nature because they are not the norm. Guess what? Celibacy is not the norm, and yet the Church allows it and even expects it of some people. Why does the Church create an exception to this idea that procreation is fundamental to our design?

No, nature is not full of homosexuality. It is amazing how people scrape the bottom of the logic barrel in an attempt to justify this sin. Anyone who has been around dogs knows that its mating instinct can be triggered and will attempt to "mate" with your leg. The instances of so-called homosexuality in animals is that when a male had mated with a female and the estruus remained on the mating male, another male animal attempted to mate because its mating instincts were triggered by the chemicals in the estruus. Mammals mate when the female goes into heat.

Because we are in a fallen state, there are mutations and deformities that can cause a person to have genitalia different than the chromosomes. This is not normal, it is an extremely rare condition, but people want to use this as a means for "the exception to prove the rule." Sorry, it does not work that way, any more than you can say schizophrenia is normal.

Homosexuality is a conscious, willful choice. To be one, that person has to deny the biological truth that 2 people of the same sex "mating" with one another cannot produce a baby. Somehow, it has to enter the mind that, "Yes, I produce sperm designed to impregnate a woman but I 'feel/think/believe' otherwise." It is a travesty that our culture does not try to correct these confused people but encourage them in their sexually disoriented state.

No person is "born gay" and there is no "gay gene", just as no person is born a murderer or has a gene for adultery. There are people who have hormonal imbalances that cause, for instance, a male to be less masculine and a woman to be less feminine, and often these people as children are picked on and ridiculed for being different and so they gravitate towards homosexuality. Others are molested as children, or fall victim to propaganda that convinces the confused person to attempt to mate with a member of the same sex.

The sole and only purpose for sperm is to fertilize an egg. Therefore, sex is to be between male and female which is how God designed the human body. We do not produce asexually or any other manner.

Why is this self-evident truth, an elementary basic fact for crying out loud, so difficult for people, most of whom are found in the Democratic party, to understand? I can only conclude such people are evil, their minds seared as with a hot iron, their minds given over to a reprobate mind that refuses to see truth.

I too agree that marriages between infertile couples should automatically be dissolved

Really? After they get married and discover they suffer from infertility, their marriage should be made invalid in the church? Some couples don't suffer from it indefinitely. I know couples who were able to conceive after year without using IFV or anything else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So next we inspect the natural world to guess at his design. Nature is full of homosexuality. Nature is full of creatures that switch genders. Nature is full of creatures that switch between sexual and asexual reproduction. And people can be born with XY chromosomes and female genitalia. What part of God's design was that, and could he please explain who this person can marry? No, you have to arbitrarily throw out these many contradictions in nature because they are not the norm. Guess what? Celibacy is not the norm, and yet the Church allows it and even expects it of some people. Why does the Church create an exception to this idea that procreation is fundamental to our design?

No, nature is not full of homosexuality. It is amazing how people scrape the bottom of the logic barrel in an attempt to justify this sin. Anyone who has been around dogs knows that its mating instinct can be triggered and will attempt to "mate" with your leg. The instances of so-called homosexuality in animals is that when a male had mated with a female and the estruus remained on the mating male, another male animal attempted to mate because its mating instincts were triggered by the chemicals in the estruus. Mammals mate when the female goes into heat.

Because we are in a fallen state, there are mutations and deformities that can cause a person to have genitalia different than the chromosomes. This is not normal, it is an extremely rare condition, but people want to use this as a means for "the exception to prove the rule." Sorry, it does not work that way, any more than you can say schizophrenia is normal.

Homosexuality is a conscious, willful choice. To be one, that person has to deny the biological truth that 2 people of the same sex "mating" with one another cannot produce a baby. Somehow, it has to enter the mind that, "Yes, I produce sperm designed to impregnate a woman but I 'feel/think/believe' otherwise." It is a travesty that our culture does not try to correct these confused people but encourage them in their sexually disoriented state.

No person is "born gay" and there is no "gay gene", just as no person is born a murderer or has a gene for adultery. There are people who have hormonal imbalances that cause, for instance, a male to be less masculine and a woman to be less feminine, and often these people as children are picked on and ridiculed for being different and so they gravitate towards homosexuality. Others are molested as children, or fall victim to propaganda that convinces the confused person to attempt to mate with a member of the same sex.

The sole and only purpose for sperm is to fertilize an egg. Therefore, sex is to be between male and female which is how God designed the human body. We do not produce asexually or any other manner.

Why is this self-evident truth, an elementary basic fact for crying out loud, so difficult for people, most of whom are found in the Democratic party, to understand? I can only conclude such people are evil, their minds seared as with a hot iron, their minds given over to a reprobate mind that refuses to see truth.

Watch out...you’re speaking too much truth and science!!!

Well apparently you are doing it wrong, because it’s also self evident that sex makes people happy and makes couples stronger. And that’s good in and of itself!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares what the Pope says?

If you are catholic and you subscribe to bigotry and have to worry about others in their bedrooms shame on you.

The Pope has zero to do with the USA.

Again if you are Catholic mind your business.

Catholics are maxed 22% of the US population. 13% of Catholic Educated Women are part of Q. Yeah you got your own problems.

Fortunately the vast majority of illegal immigrants are Catholic or Evangelical so those numbers are going way up. Talk about a hilarious bait and switch on the left!

The number of Catholics is declining. An important factor is a big exodus of Catholics. The Pew Forum found this:


2Catholicism has experienced a greater net loss due to religious switching than has any other religious tradition in the U.S. Overall, 13% of all U.S. adults are former Catholics – people who say they were raised in the faith, but now identify as religious “nones,” as Protestants, or with another religion. By contrast, 2% of U.S. adults are converts to Catholicism – people who now identify as Catholic after having been raised in another religion (or no religion). This means that there are 6.5 former Catholics in the U.S. for every convert to the faith. No other religious group analyzed in the 2014 Religious Landscape Study has experienced anything close to this ratio of losses to gains via religious switching.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Really? After they get married and discover they suffer from infertility, their marriage should be made invalid in the church? Some couples don't suffer from it indefinitely. I know couples who were able to conceive after year without using IFV or anything else.

Because why, it would hurt their feelings or be unfair to them? “Get in line” said gays everywhere!

[Anonymous]

Catholicism is declining but Evangelical Churches are growing exponentially since most people believe in a more conservative, bible based relationship with God.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Really? After they get married and discover they suffer from infertility, their marriage should be made invalid in the church? Some couples don't suffer from it indefinitely. I know couples who were able to conceive after year without using IFV or anything else.

Because why, it would hurt their feelings or be unfair to them? “Get in line” said gays everywhere!

They don’t choose infertility nor do they know they have it until they start trying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Catholicism is declining but Evangelical Churches are growing exponentially since most people believe in a more conservative, bible based relationship with God.

The fastest growing religious affiliation is "unaffiliated".

Evangelical churches have a slightly declining percentage of the population. It's not as bad as mainline protestants and Catholics, but it's net negative.



https://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/chapter-1-the-changing-religious-composition-of-the-u-s/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Really? After they get married and discover they suffer from infertility, their marriage should be made invalid in the church? Some couples don't suffer from it indefinitely. I know couples who were able to conceive after year without using IFV or anything else.

Because why, it would hurt their feelings or be unfair to them? “Get in line” said gays everywhere!

They don’t choose infertility nor do they know they have it until they start trying.

Certainly elderly couples who marry know ahead of time. And why does that matter, anyway? If you're not part of God's design for marriage, you're not part of it. You have no valid reason for sex according to the logic of the pope. Feelings have nothing to do with it.

[Anonymous]

If “God can’t bless sin,” then naturally God can’t bless a church led by child molesters. The Pope has lost all credibility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Catholicism is declining but Evangelical Churches are growing exponentially since most people believe in a more conservative, bible based relationship with God.

The initial loss years ago from Catholism and Mainline Protestantism may have contributed to an increase in Evangelicals, but Evangelicals are losing members now too, to the "church of Nones"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If “God can’t bless sin,” then naturally God can’t bless a church led by child molesters. The Pope has lost all credibility.

+1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If “God can’t bless sin,” then naturally God can’t bless a church led by child molesters. The Pope has lost all credibility.

It's different because the Church has repented for the sin of child molestation. They know it's wrong and have paid out large sums of money in legal settlements.

Same-sex couples wanting to marry in the Church are not repentant. They celebrate their homosexuality and expect other Catholics to do the same.