Teachers: do you trust the families in your school to take COVID seriously?

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I might suggest that it may even be the more moral choice to take on the risk yourself rather than pay someone to take the risk for you.

What about paying those shoppers big tips? Isn't that the same as getting a haircut so the hairdresser can get paid? Your statement is not logical.

Because there is risk you can take on, and risk you cannot, you limp carrot.

Incredibly stupid argument.

does paying people more make it a more moral choice? can you increase morality through this method?

Who knew that a tip was a free pass to morality?!

[Anonymous]

The sad thing is that the teachers who are leaving the teaching profession are the ones who are best at it. Every veteran teacher I know is halfway out the door. A big part of it is that they don't trust the families in their schools to take COVID seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The sad thing is that the teachers who are leaving the teaching profession are the ones who are best at it. Every veteran teacher I know is halfway out the door. A big part of it is that they don't trust the families in their schools to take COVID seriously.

It's a bunch of bs that they believe they get to decide what is safe or unsafe. Good riddance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The sad thing is that the teachers who are leaving the teaching profession are the ones who are best at it. Every veteran teacher I know is halfway out the door. A big part of it is that they don't trust the families in their schools to take COVID seriously.

It's a bunch of bs that they believe they get to decide what is safe or unsafe. Good riddance.

Wait...you mean you don't get to decide what is safe or unsafe for you? You're not allowed to make your own determination for your safety, EVER? Really??? Huh.

Well with regards to teachers you're going to be getting what you think you want. I hope it works out for you the way you've planned. I think you're in for a big surprise and it isn't going to be happy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The sad thing is that the teachers who are leaving the teaching profession are the ones who are best at it. Every veteran teacher I know is halfway out the door. A big part of it is that they don't trust the families in their schools to take COVID seriously.

It's a bunch of bs that they believe they get to decide what is safe or unsafe. Good riddance.

Wait...you mean you don't get to decide what is safe or unsafe for you? You're not allowed to make your own determination for your safety, EVER? Really??? Huh.

Well with regards to teachers you're going to be getting what you think you want. I hope it works out for you the way you've planned. I think you're in for a big surprise and it isn't going to be happy.

Oh it's you, Fire Stoker.

[Anonymous]

Fire Stoker has a bogus lawsuit. Ignore him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I might suggest that it may even be the more moral choice to take on the risk yourself rather than pay someone to take the risk for you.

What about paying those shoppers big tips? Isn't that the same as getting a haircut so the hairdresser can get paid? Your statement is not logical.

Because there is risk you can take on, and risk you cannot, you limp carrot.

Incredibly stupid argument.

does paying people more make it a more moral choice? can you increase morality through this method?

Who knew that a tip was a free pass to morality?!

It’s like the Catholic Church and indulgences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The sad thing is that the teachers who are leaving the teaching profession are the ones who are best at it. Every veteran teacher I know is halfway out the door. A big part of it is that they don't trust the families in their schools to take COVID seriously.

I’m intrigued. Do the veteran teachers care about kids whose parents have to work in person? Do they argue that people who don’t quit their jobs if their jobs are in person aren’t taking COVID seriously? I know that sounds like a gotcha asshole question, but I have known people that suggest that parents should do that to help teachers.

Also....like really? It kind of sounds like teachers don’t want to be around the poors.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The sad thing is that the teachers who are leaving the teaching profession are the ones who are best at it. Every veteran teacher I know is halfway out the door. A big part of it is that they don't trust the families in their schools to take COVID seriously.

I’m intrigued. Do the veteran teachers care about kids whose parents have to work in person? Do they argue that people who don’t quit their jobs if their jobs are in person aren’t taking COVID seriously? I know that sounds like a gotcha asshole question, but I have known people that suggest that parents should do that to help teachers.

Also....like really? It kind of sounds like teachers don’t want to be around the poors.

For some reason, teachers seem to think that it's fine to teach the kids of those who work in person, but not parents who take "unacceptable" risks. But, how do they determine that? Is a teleworker who has a playdate with another family and takes a trip to the grocery store in one week taking more risk than someone who works in a grocery store? I think a rational person wouldn't say so. But, a teacher determines that one is bad and unnecessary and the other is good and necessary. But the risk profile is inverted! So obviously it's not about safety, but about making moral judgments.

And that some teachers believe they have the right to be moral arbiters bothers me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The sad thing is that the teachers who are leaving the teaching profession are the ones who are best at it. Every veteran teacher I know is halfway out the door. A big part of it is that they don't trust the families in their schools to take COVID seriously.

I’m intrigued. Do the veteran teachers care about kids whose parents have to work in person? Do they argue that people who don’t quit their jobs if their jobs are in person aren’t taking COVID seriously? I know that sounds like a gotcha asshole question, but I have known people that suggest that parents should do that to help teachers.

Also....like really? It kind of sounds like teachers don’t want to be around the poors.

For some reason, teachers seem to think that it's fine to teach the kids of those who work in person, but not parents who take "unacceptable" risks. But, how do they determine that? Is a teleworker who has a playdate with another family and takes a trip to the grocery store in one week taking more risk than someone who works in a grocery store? I think a rational person wouldn't say so. But, a teacher determines that one is bad and unnecessary and the other is good and necessary. But the risk profile is inverted! So obviously it's not about safety, but about making moral judgments.

And that some teachers believe they have the right to be moral arbiters bothers me.

+1

This precisely puts into words exactly why I'm mad about it. Teachers only like to use the argument that "families know what's best for themselves" when it's to argue that since low SES families don't want IP, that we shouldn't offer it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The sad thing is that the teachers who are leaving the teaching profession are the ones who are best at it. Every veteran teacher I know is halfway out the door. A big part of it is that they don't trust the families in their schools to take COVID seriously.

I’m intrigued. Do the veteran teachers care about kids whose parents have to work in person? Do they argue that people who don’t quit their jobs if their jobs are in person aren’t taking COVID seriously? I know that sounds like a gotcha asshole question, but I have known people that suggest that parents should do that to help teachers.

Also....like really? It kind of sounds like teachers don’t want to be around the poors.

For some reason, teachers seem to think that it's fine to teach the kids of those who work in person, but not parents who take "unacceptable" risks. But, how do they determine that? Is a teleworker who has a playdate with another family and takes a trip to the grocery store in one week taking more risk than someone who works in a grocery store? I think a rational person wouldn't say so. But, a teacher determines that one is bad and unnecessary and the other is good and necessary. But the risk profile is inverted! So obviously it's not about safety, but about making moral judgments.

And that some teachers believe they have the right to be moral arbiters bothers me.

+1

This precisely puts into words exactly why I'm mad about it. Teachers only like to use the argument that "families know what's best for themselves" when it's to argue that since low SES families don't want IP, that we shouldn't offer it.

BOOM

[Anonymous]

I'm a PARENT who doesnt trust other families in our school to take Covid seriously, I can only imagine how teachers feel.

We've had a once a week sport clinic going with school mates (outside of school) and "everyone has to wear a mask" was assured and guess what? Not all of the kids are keeping their masks on and it just so happens to be the family who is flying around the country every weekend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The sad thing is that the teachers who are leaving the teaching profession are the ones who are best at it. Every veteran teacher I know is halfway out the door. A big part of it is that they don't trust the families in their schools to take COVID seriously.

I’m intrigued. Do the veteran teachers care about kids whose parents have to work in person? Do they argue that people who don’t quit their jobs if their jobs are in person aren’t taking COVID seriously? I know that sounds like a gotcha asshole question, but I have known people that suggest that parents should do that to help teachers.

Also....like really? It kind of sounds like teachers don’t want to be around the poors.

You're missing the point. You think they're making a choice about the children. They're making a choice about themselves. Teachers leaving their jobs have decided that their health is more important than your child's education. That's their right to make that choice. You can care about your child's education but you shouldn't expect someone else to care more about it than their own health and safety.

I would make the same choice as them and I am a parent. I am capable of understanding that my personal health is more important than some other person's child's education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a PARENT who doesnt trust other families in our school to take Covid seriously, I can only imagine how teachers feel.

We've had a once a week sport clinic going with school mates (outside of school) and "everyone has to wear a mask" was assured and guess what? Not all of the kids are keeping their masks on and it just so happens to be the family who is flying around the country every weekend.

x1000 Same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The sad thing is that the teachers who are leaving the teaching profession are the ones who are best at it. Every veteran teacher I know is halfway out the door. A big part of it is that they don't trust the families in their schools to take COVID seriously.

I’m intrigued. Do the veteran teachers care about kids whose parents have to work in person? Do they argue that people who don’t quit their jobs if their jobs are in person aren’t taking COVID seriously? I know that sounds like a gotcha asshole question, but I have known people that suggest that parents should do that to help teachers.

Also....like really? It kind of sounds like teachers don’t want to be around the poors.

You're missing the point. You think they're making a choice about the children. They're making a choice about themselves. Teachers leaving their jobs have decided that their health is more important than your child's education. That's their right to make that choice. You can care about your child's education but you shouldn't expect someone else to care more about it than their own health and safety.

I would make the same choice as them and I am a parent. I am capable of understanding that my personal health is more important than some other person's child's education.

No, I 100% don't think teachers are talking about the children. I think they are making up some risk preferences that don't stand up to scrutiny. If they really are concerned about their risks of catching covid, then they won't want to teach at schools with kids whose parents who work in person. You don't hear them saying that, so I don't believe they are actually concerned about covid risk. Or they realize just how horrible it sounds to say "I don't want to teach the poors". If its not about actual risk, the motivation seems to be to judge parents against whatever their standards of virus morality are.