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Anonymous wrote:For everyone concerned about missing out: my kid didn't get into either of the programs he applied to, and went to his local HS. He was disappointed.

Four years of HS later, he was accepted - early decision - to a top 10 school. Life goes on. Make of it what you can.

Hang in there!


Thanks - sounds great! And congrats!

Thanks. Kid's quite excited.


That's awesome. Magnets have lots of supports. Making it to a top school outside of a magnet program is hard. Your kid did really well!


Actually not quite right... Whitman's Ivy League intakes are about parallel with RMIB's Ivy League intakes. And then there are the privates...


+1 If you look at Bethesda magazine's yearly college acceptance lists you will see that many kids get into top schools outside the magnets. I'm sure if there was a list for upcounty, DCC, etc you would see similar data.


Here's a link: https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-magazine/september-october-2020/college-bound-5/



Thank you for the link.


Consider the impact of legacy status on these admission numbers.


And ability to pay $75K/kid/year for college.

Half of the Blair SMAC magnet goes to UMD-CP every year and it’s not because they don’t have the stats for elite schools.
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Anonymous wrote:For everyone concerned about missing out: my kid didn't get into either of the programs he applied to, and went to his local HS. He was disappointed.

Four years of HS later, he was accepted - early decision - to a top 10 school. Life goes on. Make of it what you can.

Hang in there!


Thanks - sounds great! And congrats!

Thanks. Kid's quite excited.


That's awesome. Magnets have lots of supports. Making it to a top school outside of a magnet program is hard. Your kid did really well!


Actually not quite right... Whitman's Ivy League intakes are about parallel with RMIB's Ivy League intakes. And then there are the privates...


+1 If you look at Bethesda magazine's yearly college acceptance lists you will see that many kids get into top schools outside the magnets. I'm sure if there was a list for upcounty, DCC, etc you would see similar data.


Here's a link: https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-magazine/september-october-2020/college-bound-5/



Based on the data in the article,if the goal is to get into a top college then applying from Blair magnet isn’t much an advantage, I guess.


That’s not the goal, and many if not most Blair magnet families neither qualify for financial aid, nor can pay full freight at elite schools.
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Anonymous wrote:For everyone concerned about missing out: my kid didn't get into either of the programs he applied to, and went to his local HS. He was disappointed.

Four years of HS later, he was accepted - early decision - to a top 10 school. Life goes on. Make of it what you can.

Hang in there!


Thanks - sounds great! And congrats!

Thanks. Kid's quite excited.


That's awesome. Magnets have lots of supports. Making it to a top school outside of a magnet program is hard. Your kid did really well!


Actually not quite right... Whitman's Ivy League intakes are about parallel with RMIB's Ivy League intakes. And then there are the privates...


+1 If you look at Bethesda magazine's yearly college acceptance lists you will see that many kids get into top schools outside the magnets. I'm sure if there was a list for upcounty, DCC, etc you would see similar data.


Here's a link: https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-magazine/september-october-2020/college-bound-5/



Thank you for the link.


Consider the impact of legacy status on these admission numbers.


And ability to pay $75K/kid/year for college.

Half of the Blair SMAC magnet goes to UMD-CP every year and it’s not because they don’t have the stats for elite schools.


Well, based on that bethesda article plenty of blair kids tried to get into elite schools and were rejected. It's not like they were accepted but chose not to go because of financial reasons.
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Anonymous wrote:Ivy/Private admissions has lot of other factors apart from school. Legacy, Financial situation, scholarship. Many W school parents can afford to send DC to Ivy and private colleges.


Er no. Ivy schools offer full financial aid to all eligible students. Financial situation is irrelevant - they are needs blind admissions/

What W school parents can afford is not a reflection on their kids getting offered places in these schools. How can you not already know this?


Oh, my sweet summer child.
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Anonymous wrote:Ivy/Private admissions has lot of other factors apart from school. Legacy, Financial situation, scholarship. Many W school parents can afford to send DC to Ivy and private colleges.


Er no. Ivy schools offer full financial aid to all eligible students. Financial situation is irrelevant - they are needs blind admissions/

What W school parents can afford is not a reflection on their kids getting offered places in these schools. How can you not already know this?


Wait what? Ivy schools give a full ride to everyone accepted? Or they give a full ride to everyone accepted with certain stats? I'm confused...

Ivy's have extensive need based aid.


And they offer nothing to upper middle class families who don’t have $600K-$1M available to pay for college for multiple kids.
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Anonymous wrote:For everyone concerned about missing out: my kid didn't get into either of the programs he applied to, and went to his local HS. He was disappointed.

Four years of HS later, he was accepted - early decision - to a top 10 school. Life goes on. Make of it what you can.

Hang in there!


Thanks - sounds great! And congrats!

Thanks. Kid's quite excited.


That's awesome. Magnets have lots of supports. Making it to a top school outside of a magnet program is hard. Your kid did really well!


Actually not quite right... Whitman's Ivy League intakes are about parallel with RMIB's Ivy League intakes. And then there are the privates...


+1 If you look at Bethesda magazine's yearly college acceptance lists you will see that many kids get into top schools outside the magnets. I'm sure if there was a list for upcounty, DCC, etc you would see similar data.


Here's a link: https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-magazine/september-october-2020/college-bound-5/



Thank you for the link.


Consider the impact of legacy status on these admission numbers.


And ability to pay $75K/kid/year for college.

Half of the Blair SMAC magnet goes to UMD-CP every year and it’s not because they don’t have the stats for elite schools.


Well, based on that bethesda article plenty of blair kids tried to get into elite schools and were rejected. It's not like they were accepted but chose not to go because of financial reasons.


It does seem to be the case. Blair makes it harder for kids on the borderline to get into a top college.
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Anonymous wrote:For everyone concerned about missing out: my kid didn't get into either of the programs he applied to, and went to his local HS. He was disappointed.

Four years of HS later, he was accepted - early decision - to a top 10 school. Life goes on. Make of it what you can.

Hang in there!


Thanks - sounds great! And congrats!

Thanks. Kid's quite excited.


That's awesome. Magnets have lots of supports. Making it to a top school outside of a magnet program is hard. Your kid did really well!


Actually not quite right... Whitman's Ivy League intakes are about parallel with RMIB's Ivy League intakes. And then there are the privates...


+1 If you look at Bethesda magazine's yearly college acceptance lists you will see that many kids get into top schools outside the magnets. I'm sure if there was a list for upcounty, DCC, etc you would see similar data.


Here's a link: https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-magazine/september-october-2020/college-bound-5/



Thank you for the link.


Consider the impact of legacy status on these admission numbers.


And ability to pay $75K/kid/year for college.

Half of the Blair SMAC magnet goes to UMD-CP every year and it’s not because they don’t have the stats for elite schools.


Well, based on that bethesda article plenty of blair kids tried to get into elite schools and were rejected. It's not like they were accepted but chose not to go because of financial reasons.


That article doesn’t break numbers down among SMAC, CAP, and other Blair students.
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Anonymous wrote:For everyone concerned about missing out: my kid didn't get into either of the programs he applied to, and went to his local HS. He was disappointed.

Four years of HS later, he was accepted - early decision - to a top 10 school. Life goes on. Make of it what you can.

Hang in there!


Thanks - sounds great! And congrats!

Thanks. Kid's quite excited.


That's awesome. Magnets have lots of supports. Making it to a top school outside of a magnet program is hard. Your kid did really well!


Actually not quite right... Whitman's Ivy League intakes are about parallel with RMIB's Ivy League intakes. And then there are the privates...


+1 If you look at Bethesda magazine's yearly college acceptance lists you will see that many kids get into top schools outside the magnets. I'm sure if there was a list for upcounty, DCC, etc you would see similar data.


Here's a link: https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-magazine/september-october-2020/college-bound-5/



Thank you for the link.


Consider the impact of legacy status on these admission numbers.


And ability to pay $75K/kid/year for college.

Half of the Blair SMAC magnet goes to UMD-CP every year and it’s not because they don’t have the stats for elite schools.


Well, based on that bethesda article plenty of blair kids tried to get into elite schools and were rejected. It's not like they were accepted but chose not to go because of financial reasons.


That article doesn’t break numbers down among SMAC, CAP, and other Blair students.


but still, only a few kids from the whole blair made it to top colleges. it is quite disappointing.
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Blair parent here: Blair is a great program for challenging STEM kids to meet their potential, but not for getting into top colleges. Yes, plenty of Blair magnet kids are accepted but I've seen at least 10 years of data and the PP's are correct many non-magnet students (at an equivalent rate), at least at W schools, get into top 20 schools.

Forgot to add that the issue with attending a magnet is that you are compared with your high achieving peers for college admissions and colleges limit the number of students they accept from any particular program or high school. If you are in the magnet but at the bottom or even middle of the pack, you will not be as competitive in top college admissions compared to your top ranking peers. Better to be a top student in a less competitive program or smaller pond high school if your primary goal is getting into a top 10 or 20 undergrad program. Note: this is not an issue in our household because our goal is UMD for financial reasons or merit at a lower tier college. The plan is to save money for graduate school at a top 10 university.


Question on the bolded for clarification. Are you saying that, for example: College A is only going to take 5 students from RMIB and 5 students from RM, so chances are better if you are top 5 in RM than being top 10 in RMIB?

I would think though, that even if the concept is true, what is more likely is that College A would take 20 students from RMIC and 5 students from RM, so the chances come out roughly even, if not slightly in favor of the IB student?

(That aside, I am with you on your plan to do UMD and save money regardless.)
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Anonymous wrote:For everyone concerned about missing out: my kid didn't get into either of the programs he applied to, and went to his local HS. He was disappointed.

Four years of HS later, he was accepted - early decision - to a top 10 school. Life goes on. Make of it what you can.

Hang in there!


Thanks - sounds great! And congrats!

Thanks. Kid's quite excited.


That's awesome. Magnets have lots of supports. Making it to a top school outside of a magnet program is hard. Your kid did really well!


Actually not quite right... Whitman's Ivy League intakes are about parallel with RMIB's Ivy League intakes. And then there are the privates...


DC is invited to Blair SMAC. Oh, well, she thinks she is going to HYP afterwards.

+1 If you look at Bethesda magazine's yearly college acceptance lists you will see that many kids get into top schools outside the magnets. I'm sure if there was a list for upcounty, DCC, etc you would see similar data.


Here's a link: https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-magazine/september-october-2020/college-bound-5/



Thank you for the link.


Consider the impact of legacy status on these admission numbers.


And ability to pay $75K/kid/year for college.

Half of the Blair SMAC magnet goes to UMD-CP every year and it’s not because they don’t have the stats for elite schools.


Well, based on that bethesda article plenty of blair kids tried to get into elite schools and were rejected. It's not like they were accepted but chose not to go because of financial reasons.


That article doesn’t break numbers down among SMAC, CAP, and other Blair students.


but still, only a few kids from the whole blair made it to top colleges. it is quite disappointing.
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Blair parent here: Blair is a great program for challenging STEM kids to meet their potential, but not for getting into top colleges. Yes, plenty of Blair magnet kids are accepted but I've seen at least 10 years of data and the PP's are correct many non-magnet students (at an equivalent rate), at least at W schools, get into top 20 schools.

Forgot to add that the issue with attending a magnet is that you are compared with your high achieving peers for college admissions and colleges limit the number of students they accept from any particular program or high school. If you are in the magnet but at the bottom or even middle of the pack, you will not be as competitive in top college admissions compared to your top ranking peers. Better to be a top student in a less competitive program or smaller pond high school if your primary goal is getting into a top 10 or 20 undergrad program. Note: this is not an issue in our household because our goal is UMD for financial reasons or merit at a lower tier college. The plan is to save money for graduate school at a top 10 university.


Question on the bolded for clarification. Are you saying that, for example: College A is only going to take 5 students from RMIB and 5 students from RM, so chances are better if you are top 5 in RM than being top 10 in RMIB?

I would think though, that even if the concept is true, what is more likely is that College A would take 20 students from RMIC and 5 students from RM, so the chances come out roughly even, if not slightly in favor of the IB student?

(That aside, I am with you on your plan to do UMD and save money regardless.)


OP here. I'm not sure about students within the same high school but in different programs. My educated guess is that the kids in RMIB would be more competitive than the non-magnet RM kids. I was referring to magnet kid at Blair or RM vs a kid at zoned HS. However, if College A limits acceptances to 10 kids at RM, I would think more RMIB gets would get in or else there are quite a few exceptional non-magnet kids that year. The exceptional non-magnet kids will look even better because they are being compared to the non-magnet population. Full disclosure, I'm a professor and have worked at two top tier universities frequently mentioned on this board. I have served on grad admissions but not undergraduate. However, I am friends with a few undergraduate admissions officers and a director and have learned a lot about the process.
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Blair parent here: Blair is a great program for challenging STEM kids to meet their potential, but not for getting into top colleges. Yes, plenty of Blair magnet kids are accepted but I've seen at least 10 years of data and the PP's are correct many non-magnet students (at an equivalent rate), at least at W schools, get into top 20 schools.

Forgot to add that the issue with attending a magnet is that you are compared with your high achieving peers for college admissions and colleges limit the number of students they accept from any particular program or high school. If you are in the magnet but at the bottom or even middle of the pack, you will not be as competitive in top college admissions compared to your top ranking peers. Better to be a top student in a less competitive program or smaller pond high school if your primary goal is getting into a top 10 or 20 undergrad program. Note: this is not an issue in our household because our goal is UMD for financial reasons or merit at a lower tier college. The plan is to save money for graduate school at a top 10 university.


Question on the bolded for clarification. Are you saying that, for example: College A is only going to take 5 students from RMIB and 5 students from RM, so chances are better if you are top 5 in RM than being top 10 in RMIB?

I would think though, that even if the concept is true, what is more likely is that College A would take 20 students from RMIC and 5 students from RM, so the chances come out roughly even, if not slightly in favor of the IB student?

(That aside, I am with you on your plan to do UMD and save money regardless.)


OP here. I'm not sure about students within the same high school but in different programs. My educated guess is that the kids in RMIB would be more competitive than the non-magnet RM kids. I was referring to magnet kid at Blair or RM vs a kid at zoned HS. However, if College A limits acceptances to 10 kids at RM, I would think more RMIB gets would get in or else there are quite a few exceptional non-magnet kids that year. The exceptional non-magnet kids will look even better because they are being compared to the non-magnet population. Full disclosure, I'm a professor and have worked at two top tier universities frequently mentioned on this board. I have served on grad admissions but not undergraduate. However, I am friends with a few undergraduate admissions officers and a director and have learned a lot about the process.


Could you give your opinion on Blair SMAC too? Is it worthy of the long commute if DC really just wants to get into a top college afterwards? It sounds like DC will have a better chance at home HS.
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Blair parent here: Blair is a great program for challenging STEM kids to meet their potential, but not for getting into top colleges. Yes, plenty of Blair magnet kids are accepted but I've seen at least 10 years of data and the PP's are correct many non-magnet students (at an equivalent rate), at least at W schools, get into top 20 schools.

Forgot to add that the issue with attending a magnet is that you are compared with your high achieving peers for college admissions and colleges limit the number of students they accept from any particular program or high school. If you are in the magnet but at the bottom or even middle of the pack, you will not be as competitive in top college admissions compared to your top ranking peers. Better to be a top student in a less competitive program or smaller pond high school if your primary goal is getting into a top 10 or 20 undergrad program. Note: this is not an issue in our household because our goal is UMD for financial reasons or merit at a lower tier college. The plan is to save money for graduate school at a top 10 university.


Question on the bolded for clarification. Are you saying that, for example: College A is only going to take 5 students from RMIB and 5 students from RM, so chances are better if you are top 5 in RM than being top 10 in RMIB?

I would think though, that even if the concept is true, what is more likely is that College A would take 20 students from RMIC and 5 students from RM, so the chances come out roughly even, if not slightly in favor of the IB student?

(That aside, I am with you on your plan to do UMD and save money regardless.)


OP here. I'm not sure about students within the same high school but in different programs. My educated guess is that the kids in RMIB would be more competitive than the non-magnet RM kids. I was referring to magnet kid at Blair or RM vs a kid at zoned HS. However, if College A limits acceptances to 10 kids at RM, I would think more RMIB gets would get in or else there are quite a few exceptional non-magnet kids that year. The exceptional non-magnet kids will look even better because they are being compared to the non-magnet population. Full disclosure, I'm a professor and have worked at two top tier universities frequently mentioned on this board. I have served on grad admissions but not undergraduate. However, I am friends with a few undergraduate admissions officers and a director and have learned a lot about the process.


Could you give your opinion on Blair SMAC too? Is it worthy of the long commute if DC really just wants to get into a top college afterwards? It sounds like DC will have a better chance at home HS.


My child thinks it is worth it but again, his goal is UMD. My child is financially conservative and is on board with our plan to help with grad school because we can afford state tuition.

Have you looked at the last 5 years of college acceptances at your zoned school? How many kids got in at your target schools? Do you think your child will be in the top 10-15% in the Blair magnet? These are questions I would consider before making a decision.
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Blair parent here: Blair is a great program for challenging STEM kids to meet their potential, but not for getting into top colleges. Yes, plenty of Blair magnet kids are accepted but I've seen at least 10 years of data and the PP's are correct many non-magnet students (at an equivalent rate), at least at W schools, get into top 20 schools.

Forgot to add that the issue with attending a magnet is that you are compared with your high achieving peers for college admissions and colleges limit the number of students they accept from any particular program or high school. If you are in the magnet but at the bottom or even middle of the pack, you will not be as competitive in top college admissions compared to your top ranking peers. Better to be a top student in a less competitive program or smaller pond high school if your primary goal is getting into a top 10 or 20 undergrad program. Note: this is not an issue in our household because our goal is UMD for financial reasons or merit at a lower tier college. The plan is to save money for graduate school at a top 10 university.


Question on the bolded for clarification. Are you saying that, for example: College A is only going to take 5 students from RMIB and 5 students from RM, so chances are better if you are top 5 in RM than being top 10 in RMIB?

I would think though, that even if the concept is true, what is more likely is that College A would take 20 students from RMIC and 5 students from RM, so the chances come out roughly even, if not slightly in favor of the IB student?

(That aside, I am with you on your plan to do UMD and save money regardless.)


OP here. I'm not sure about students within the same high school but in different programs. My educated guess is that the kids in RMIB would be more competitive than the non-magnet RM kids. I was referring to magnet kid at Blair or RM vs a kid at zoned HS. However, if College A limits acceptances to 10 kids at RM, I would think more RMIB gets would get in or else there are quite a few exceptional non-magnet kids that year. The exceptional non-magnet kids will look even better because they are being compared to the non-magnet population. Full disclosure, I'm a professor and have worked at two top tier universities frequently mentioned on this board. I have served on grad admissions but not undergraduate. However, I am friends with a few undergraduate admissions officers and a director and have learned a lot about the process.


Could you give your opinion on Blair SMAC too? Is it worthy of the long commute if DC really just wants to get into a top college afterwards? It sounds like DC will have a better chance at home HS.


My child thinks it is worth it but again, his goal is UMD. My child is financially conservative and is on board with our plan to help with grad school because we can afford state tuition.

Have you looked at the last 5 years of college acceptances at your zoned school? How many kids got in at your target schools? Do you think your child will be in the top 10-15% in the Blair magnet? These are questions I would consider before making a decision.


Thank you for your input. My guess is that DC will be in the 15-25% range. My sense is that she cares more about the vanity of going to blair. We will certainly accept whatever decision she makes. I expect that she will regret it later but I do not see a way of talking her out of it now.
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Anonymous wrote:For everyone concerned about missing out: my kid didn't get into either of the programs he applied to, and went to his local HS. He was disappointed.

Four years of HS later, he was accepted - early decision - to a top 10 school. Life goes on. Make of it what you can.

Hang in there!


Thanks - sounds great! And congrats!

Thanks. Kid's quite excited.


That's awesome. Magnets have lots of supports. Making it to a top school outside of a magnet program is hard. Your kid did really well!


Actually not quite right... Whitman's Ivy League intakes are about parallel with RMIB's Ivy League intakes. And then there are the privates...


+1 If you look at Bethesda magazine's yearly college acceptance lists you will see that many kids get into top schools outside the magnets. I'm sure if there was a list for upcounty, DCC, etc you would see similar data.


Here's a link: https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-magazine/september-october-2020/college-bound-5/



Thank you for the link.


Consider the impact of legacy status on these admission numbers.


And ability to pay $75K/kid/year for college.

Half of the Blair SMAC magnet goes to UMD-CP every year and it’s not because they don’t have the stats for elite schools.


Well, based on that bethesda article plenty of blair kids tried to get into elite schools and were rejected. It's not like they were accepted but chose not to go because of financial reasons.


That article doesn’t break numbers down among SMAC, CAP, and other Blair students.


but still, only a few kids from the whole blair made it to top colleges. it is quite disappointing.


And many do not apply because their parents can’t pay for them.
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