DS's professor saying assignment submitted at 11:59pm is late

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting to me that I've seen at least three posters refer to the professor as "him." I know doctors are often gendered like this, but I hadn't thought about professors being gendered this way and I'm a female prof.

Because female profs are punished in student evals if they are not kind and maternal at all times.

+1 Unfortunately that's true. My male colleagues, in general, get away with being hardasses or disorganized and students seem to expect it and admins back my male colleagues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How much do you want to bet there’s no time stamp after the deadline so the professor can’t tell that it came in 2 seconds after the deadline or 20 hours? Professor may only know that it is “late.”

This is possible
Professors are not always tech savvy.
If they are using a college online learning platform they might only know whether the assignment is turned in on time or late

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How much do you want to bet there’s no time stamp after the deadline so the professor can’t tell that it came in 2 seconds after the deadline or 20 hours? Professor may only know that it is “late.”

This is possible
Professors are not always tech savvy.
If they are using a college online learning platform they might only know whether the assignment is turned in on time or late

As a professor, I assure you, this is not possible. An adjunct who doesn't really use the LMS? -- Maybe. A full-time professor of any kind? -- No way. This would be like an office worker not knowing how to send an email. It seems to me there is a lot of "But what if the....!" on this thread that shows moms and dads think they know the ins and outs of a job that they don't really understand at all. So that said, perhaps this instructor is an adjunct who doesn't care or know better (not common but it can happen). But I am thinking if they even take the time to make a due date in a LMS -- who you have to actively do -- they can not possibly miss this. So, good idea to question, but seriously, not possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Three facts that can all be true at the same time:

- The paper was submitted late
- The student should have known better
- The professor is a petulant asshole

Yes. Typical DCUM conversation though where the sides are polarized

[Anonymous]

OP here. Thank you to everyone who posted helpful responses.

We'll wait until other students hear back from the department.

If DS had submitted at 12:00, I would have told him that from my perspective, late is late.

Students in DS's class were told that the assignment had to be submitted "by 11:59." DS said that there were a few other students in the course group chat who also submitted at 11:59, so definitely a small number of students. Their argument, apparently, is that "by" means "not later than" according to Merriam-Webster.

I'm not a helicopter parent. I've read How to Raise an Adult, with the stories of parents doing too much for their kids in college. DS asked me for advice, which he typically doesn't, and I wasn't sure how to respond. I would never email a professor on his behalf.

DS has definitely learned not to wait until the last minute to submit work and to ask for more time if he needs it, obviously many days before the deadline. This is his first time missing a deadline in college, and he maintains a relatively high GPA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s unfair because I could see your son being confused and thinking it was OK to turn it in anytime the timestamp will be 1159.

But I have taught in higher ed and complaining to hire ups probably won’t help and could give your son a bad rep. I would recommend he write the professor a politely persuasive email about his confusion re what time he thought would be late and leave it at that.

I used to set mine due at 11:59:59 for this very reason.

I’d also just move on. Not worth fighting over.
Then I go over to ratemyprof dot com and rate Prof Badass 1 star with the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Once Badass lowered himself to the level of an instruct, he can’t blame others for stepping on him. Life is fair.

“Once Badass lowered himself to the level of an INSECT 🕷 , he can’t blame others for stepping on him. Life is fair.”

WOW that we live in a world where so many people believe that someone who sets rules and expects they are followed then follows them is a villain. Good luck to the children you are raising with these self-centered, icky worldviews.

Not sure why you are objecting to students’ exercising their rights. As professors have a right to evaluate their students, students have a right to evaluate their professors.

LOL, who cares about ratemyprof?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thank you to everyone who posted helpful responses.

We'll wait until other students hear back from the department.

If DS had submitted at 12:00, I would have told him that from my perspective, late is late.

Students in DS's class were told that the assignment had to be submitted "by 11:59." DS said that there were a few other students in the course group chat who also submitted at 11:59, so definitely a small number of students. Their argument, apparently, is that "by" means "not later than" according to Merriam-Webster.

I'm not a helicopter parent. I've read How to Raise an Adult, with the stories of parents doing too much for their kids in college. DS asked me for advice, which he typically doesn't, and I wasn't sure how to respond. I would never email a professor on his behalf.

DS has definitely learned not to wait until the last minute to submit work and to ask for more time if he needs it, obviously many days before the deadline. This is his first time missing a deadline in college, and he maintains a relatively high GPA.

Good attitude, OP. It's frustrating, and as a prof myself, if this happened I'd probably manually go in an factor out late grade for anyone within those 59 seconds, but the truth is that's no required, and that's an important lesson to learn. If it really affects your DC that badly, council him to consider a P if applicable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s unfair because I could see your son being confused and thinking it was OK to turn it in anytime the timestamp will be 1159.

But I have taught in higher ed and complaining to hire ups probably won’t help and could give your son a bad rep. I would recommend he write the professor a politely persuasive email about his confusion re what time he thought would be late and leave it at that.

I used to set mine due at 11:59:59 for this very reason.

I’d also just move on. Not worth fighting over.
Then I go over to ratemyprof dot com and rate Prof Badass 1 star with the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Once Badass lowered himself to the level of an instruct, he can’t blame others for stepping on him. Life is fair.

“Once Badass lowered himself to the level of an INSECT 🕷 , he can’t blame others for stepping on him. Life is fair.”

WOW that we live in a world where so many people believe that someone who sets rules and expects they are followed then follows them is a villain. Good luck to the children you are raising with these self-centered, icky worldviews.

Not sure why you are objecting to students’ exercising their rights. As professors have a right to evaluate their students, students have a right to evaluate their professors.

LOL, who cares about ratemyprof?

Could be more effective to write a negative student eval instead of ratemyprof.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thank you to everyone who posted helpful responses.

We'll wait until other students hear back from the department.

If DS had submitted at 12:00, I would have told him that from my perspective, late is late.

Students in DS's class were told that the assignment had to be submitted "by 11:59." DS said that there were a few other students in the course group chat who also submitted at 11:59, so definitely a small number of students. Their argument, apparently, is that "by" means "not later than" according to Merriam-Webster.

I'm not a helicopter parent. I've read How to Raise an Adult, with the stories of parents doing too much for their kids in college. DS asked me for advice, which he typically doesn't, and I wasn't sure how to respond. I would never email a professor on his behalf.

DS has definitely learned not to wait until the last minute to submit work and to ask for more time if he needs it, obviously many days before the deadline. This is his first time missing a deadline in college, and he maintains a relatively high GPA.

OP, I don't see any problem with a child asking their parent for advice. You don't sound like a helicopter parent to me. As you stated, wait and see what happens with the other students in the class. Most likely, they will get nowhere with their complaint and it sounds like your son learned from the experience.

Signed, a professor

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s unfair because I could see your son being confused and thinking it was OK to turn it in anytime the timestamp will be 1159.

But I have taught in higher ed and complaining to hire ups probably won’t help and could give your son a bad rep. I would recommend he write the professor a politely persuasive email about his confusion re what time he thought would be late and leave it at that.

I used to set mine due at 11:59:59 for this very reason.

I’d also just move on. Not worth fighting over.
Then I go over to ratemyprof dot com and rate Prof Badass 1 star with the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Once Badass lowered himself to the level of an instruct, he can’t blame others for stepping on him. Life is fair.

“Once Badass lowered himself to the level of an INSECT 🕷 , he can’t blame others for stepping on him. Life is fair.”

WOW that we live in a world where so many people believe that someone who sets rules and expects they are followed then follows them is a villain. Good luck to the children you are raising with these self-centered, icky worldviews.

Not sure why you are objecting to students’ exercising their rights. As professors have a right to evaluate their students, students have a right to evaluate their professors.

LOL, who cares about ratemyprof?

Could be more effective to write a negative student eval instead of ratemyprof.

Not if the professor is tenured.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thank you to everyone who posted helpful responses.

We'll wait until other students hear back from the department.

If DS had submitted at 12:00, I would have told him that from my perspective, late is late.

Students in DS's class were told that the assignment had to be submitted "by 11:59." DS said that there were a few other students in the course group chat who also submitted at 11:59, so definitely a small number of students. Their argument, apparently, is that "by" means "not later than" according to Merriam-Webster.

I'm not a helicopter parent. I've read How to Raise an Adult, with the stories of parents doing too much for their kids in college. DS asked me for advice, which he typically doesn't, and I wasn't sure how to respond. I would never email a professor on his behalf.

DS has definitely learned not to wait until the last minute to submit work and to ask for more time if he needs it, obviously many days before the deadline. This is his first time missing a deadline in college, and he maintains a relatively high GPA.

"Their argument, apparently, is that "by" means "not later than" according to Merriam-Webster." Does 11:59 mean 11:59:00, or does it include 11:59:59? When a deadline is by June 21, does that mean due by 12:00 AM or 11:59 PM? Something I just thought about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s unfair because I could see your son being confused and thinking it was OK to turn it in anytime the timestamp will be 1159.

But I have taught in higher ed and complaining to hire ups probably won’t help and could give your son a bad rep. I would recommend he write the professor a politely persuasive email about his confusion re what time he thought would be late and leave it at that.

I used to set mine due at 11:59:59 for this very reason.

I’d also just move on. Not worth fighting over.
Then I go over to ratemyprof dot com and rate Prof Badass 1 star with the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Once Badass lowered himself to the level of an instruct, he can’t blame others for stepping on him. Life is fair.

“Once Badass lowered himself to the level of an INSECT 🕷 , he can’t blame others for stepping on him. Life is fair.”

WOW that we live in a world where so many people believe that someone who sets rules and expects they are followed then follows them is a villain. Good luck to the children you are raising with these self-centered, icky worldviews.

Not sure why you are objecting to students’ exercising their rights. As professors have a right to evaluate their students, students have a right to evaluate their professors.

LOL, who cares about ratemyprof?

Could be more effective to write a negative student eval instead of ratemyprof.

Yes -- ratemyprof will really stick it to them when it comes to Promotion and Tenure. "Professor X is soooo mean because Deadlines! Don't ever take Pre-Columbian ceramics with her!"

Student evals do matter when it comes to promotion and tenure, which is actually a big disadvantage for women and minorities for reasons PPs mentioned. But at this time of COVID, virtually all universities have exempted current evals from being included in review, so won't matter at all. But by all means, go ahead if it makes your DC feel better!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s unfair because I could see your son being confused and thinking it was OK to turn it in anytime the timestamp will be 1159.

But I have taught in higher ed and complaining to hire ups probably won’t help and could give your son a bad rep. I would recommend he write the professor a politely persuasive email about his confusion re what time he thought would be late and leave it at that.

I used to set mine due at 11:59:59 for this very reason.

I’d also just move on. Not worth fighting over.
Then I go over to ratemyprof dot com and rate Prof Badass 1 star with the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Once Badass lowered himself to the level of an instruct, he can’t blame others for stepping on him. Life is fair.

“Once Badass lowered himself to the level of an INSECT 🕷 , he can’t blame others for stepping on him. Life is fair.”

WOW that we live in a world where so many people believe that someone who sets rules and expects they are followed then follows them is a villain. Good luck to the children you are raising with these self-centered, icky worldviews.

Not sure why you are objecting to students’ exercising their rights. As professors have a right to evaluate their students, students have a right to evaluate their professors.

LOL, who cares about ratemyprof?

Could be more effective to write a negative student eval instead of ratemyprof.

Not if the professor is tenured.

Tenured profs can still be fired. Not that this prof would lose their job over this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thank you to everyone who posted helpful responses.

We'll wait until other students hear back from the department.

If DS had submitted at 12:00, I would have told him that from my perspective, late is late.

Students in DS's class were told that the assignment had to be submitted "by 11:59." DS said that there were a few other students in the course group chat who also submitted at 11:59, so definitely a small number of students. Their argument, apparently, is that "by" means "not later than" according to Merriam-Webster.

I'm not a helicopter parent. I've read How to Raise an Adult, with the stories of parents doing too much for their kids in college. DS asked me for advice, which he typically doesn't, and I wasn't sure how to respond. I would never email a professor on his behalf.

DS has definitely learned not to wait until the last minute to submit work and to ask for more time if he needs it, obviously many days before the deadline. This is his first time missing a deadline in college, and he maintains a relatively high GPA.

"Their argument, apparently, is that "by" means "not later than" according to Merriam-Webster." Does 11:59 mean 11:59:00, or does it include 11:59:59? When a deadline is by June 21, does that mean due by 12:00 AM or 11:59 PM? Something I just thought about.

“Not later than” 11:59 means not later than 11:59:00. Should have been in by 11:58. Not seeing their argument.

I can’t believe multiple college students are in this position and are actually trying to argue they are right. Good life lesson.

[Anonymous]

Work with precise numbers all the time. He made the deadline. The professor is being ridiculous.