Virginia to open up in limited capacity next Friday!

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Anonymous wrote:Very confused as to why anyone is considering any of these openings when the Trump Admin is predicting 3k deaths a day which will bring us back to where we were in mid-March very quickly.

They predicted 2.2 million deaths in the beginning. People aren’t buying their BS models anymore.

There are at least 67k+ deaths now in the US over the last 3 months.

If we didn’t stay in place how many deaths do you think there would have been this year?

And that count isn’t even accurate. They’re adding people who haven’t even tested positive for COVID to that count. CDC revised the numbers to 36k deaths from COVID.

Where do you get your crappy news? The CDC didn’t “revise” numbers. That is just a different count - # of death certificates, which is a delayed statistic.

If anything we are undercounting. As of a week ago, the US had 66,000 more deaths than expected. With far fewer automobile deaths, gun deaths, etc.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/us-reports-66000-more-deaths-than-expected-so-far-this-year/2020/04/29/b6833548-8a68-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html


The question still stands: How many deaths do you think we would have had this year if we didn’t shelter in place?

Umm it’s on the CDC website itself.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Of course, the media won’t report this because they want you scared.

GMAFB. You don’t get your news from the CDC website. You heard this misinformation on FoxNews or similar. And you happily eat it up even if it’s not true.

Look at your link - it even says it’s not the current number of deaths because of the delayed reporting:
“It is important to note that it can take several weeks for death records to be submitted to National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), processed, coded, and tabulated. Therefore, the data shown on this page may be incomplete, and will likely not include all deaths that occurred during a given time period, especially for the more recent time periods.”

It’s not a “revised” number - it’s just a different metric.


Again, how many people do you think would have died this year if we didn’t shelter in place?

Also from CDC’s website:

“In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. However, please note that testing for COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible“

The numbers are inaccurate. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like pools could maybe open early June and cap at 50 ppl?

Considering how many pools are staffed by Eastern Europeans, I doubt many pools will be opening because of the immigration ban.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought he explicitly said that you could go to the gym, but that there would be capacity restrictions. Is there a written plan that says differently?

yeah, that's what he said. gyms would be open with more cleaning or something. how could a gym like gold's or lifetime keep people six feet apart? and have the staff to clean everything after each use? its silly. Or a big gym can be open but its kid camp is closed? that's not logical.

I'm pretty skeptical about how you safely open gyms. Early in the pandemic, one of the superspreading events was a choir practice in Washington, where people were somewhat spaced apart. Even so, many people got sick, and the lesson was that the forceful breathing and projection of voice during singing spread the virus further than normal.

In a gym, you're going to have people huffing and puffing while they exercise. Seems like that would spew the virus all over the place.

Who cares. As long as elderly/sick aren’t at gym (gyms not exactly magnets for the unhealthy) it really doesn’t matter.

Essentially the message I’m hearing. “Who cares?” Not many. Our country is an embarrassment.

Are you willing to take in homeless people?
Are you willing to make sure Flint MI has clean drinking water?
Are you willing to donate your life savings for poor countries?

If the answer is no to all of these things, you have no room to comment.

We can’t worry about everyone. All we can do is the best we can and do what’s best for us. No one WANTS anyone to die, but we can’t live our lives in fear.

Dear one, are you?

PP here. I admit that I wouldn’t do that. But I’m also not bitching at people for wanting to go to a gym.

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Anonymous wrote:Very confused as to why anyone is considering any of these openings when the Trump Admin is predicting 3k deaths a day which will bring us back to where we were in mid-March very quickly.

They predicted 2.2 million deaths in the beginning. People aren’t buying their BS models anymore.

There are at least 67k+ deaths now in the US over the last 3 months.

If we didn’t stay in place how many deaths do you think there would have been this year?

And that count isn’t even accurate. They’re adding people who haven’t even tested positive for COVID to that count. CDC revised the numbers to 36k deaths from COVID.

Where do you get your crappy news? The CDC didn’t “revise” numbers. That is just a different count - # of death certificates, which is a delayed statistic.

If anything we are undercounting. As of a week ago, the US had 66,000 more deaths than expected. With far fewer automobile deaths, gun deaths, etc.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/us-reports-66000-more-deaths-than-expected-so-far-this-year/2020/04/29/b6833548-8a68-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html


The question still stands: How many deaths do you think we would have had this year if we didn’t shelter in place?

Umm it’s on the CDC website itself.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Of course, the media won’t report this because they want you scared.

GMAFB. You don’t get your news from the CDC website. You heard this misinformation on FoxNews or similar. And you happily eat it up even if it’s not true.

Look at your link - it even says it’s not the current number of deaths because of the delayed reporting:
“It is important to note that it can take several weeks for death records to be submitted to National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), processed, coded, and tabulated. Therefore, the data shown on this page may be incomplete, and will likely not include all deaths that occurred during a given time period, especially for the more recent time periods.”

It’s not a “revised” number - it’s just a different metric.


Again, how many people do you think would have died this year if we didn’t shelter in place?

Also from CDC’s website:

“In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. However, please note that testing for COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible“

The numbers are inaccurate. Period.

If these diagnoses are being faked the hospitals will get slapped with MASSIVE FCA lawsuits. No way hospitals are lying about these.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like pools could maybe open early June and cap at 50 ppl?

Considering how many pools are staffed by Eastern Europeans, I doubt many pools will be opening because of the immigration ban.

You are absolutely delusional.
I doubt we’ll even make it to phase 2 by July

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Anonymous wrote:I thought he explicitly said that you could go to the gym, but that there would be capacity restrictions. Is there a written plan that says differently?

yeah, that's what he said. gyms would be open with more cleaning or something. how could a gym like gold's or lifetime keep people six feet apart? and have the staff to clean everything after each use? its silly. Or a big gym can be open but its kid camp is closed? that's not logical.

I'm pretty skeptical about how you safely open gyms. Early in the pandemic, one of the superspreading events was a choir practice in Washington, where people were somewhat spaced apart. Even so, many people got sick, and the lesson was that the forceful breathing and projection of voice during singing spread the virus further than normal.

In a gym, you're going to have people huffing and puffing while they exercise. Seems like that would spew the virus all over the place.

Who cares. As long as elderly/sick aren’t at gym (gyms not exactly magnets for the unhealthy) it really doesn’t matter.

Essentially the message I’m hearing. “Who cares?” Not many. Our country is an embarrassment.

Are you willing to take in homeless people?
Are you willing to make sure Flint MI has clean drinking water?
Are you willing to donate your life savings for poor countries?

If the answer is no to all of these things, you have no room to comment.

We can’t worry about everyone. All we can do is the best we can and do what’s best for us. No one WANTS anyone to die, but we can’t live our lives in fear.

You mean you can't worry about everyone so you need to do what's best for you and everyone be damned. Just say it.

Dear one, are you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:what is this 3000/deaths per day coming from ?

Official Trump administration projections, newly revised. Those are 3,000 deaths nationally, mind you (or, 90,000 per month)

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Anonymous wrote:Did you guys even watch the press conference?

Northam never said phase 1 starts next week. He said it MAY start next week if cases trend downward.

This. Don’t tie your shoes just yet, folks

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Anonymous wrote:what is this 3000/deaths per day coming from ?

Official Trump administration projections, newly revised. Those are 3,000 deaths nationally, mind you (or, 90,000 per month)

Trump also told us to drink bleach. So yeah.

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Anonymous wrote:Very confused as to why anyone is considering any of these openings when the Trump Admin is predicting 3k deaths a day which will bring us back to where we were in mid-March very quickly.

They predicted 2.2 million deaths in the beginning. People aren’t buying their BS models anymore.

There are at least 67k+ deaths now in the US over the last 3 months.

If we didn’t stay in place how many deaths do you think there would have been this year?

And that count isn’t even accurate. They’re adding people who haven’t even tested positive for COVID to that count. CDC revised the numbers to 36k deaths from COVID.

Where do you get your crappy news? The CDC didn’t “revise” numbers. That is just a different count - # of death certificates, which is a delayed statistic.

If anything we are undercounting. As of a week ago, the US had 66,000 more deaths than expected. With far fewer automobile deaths, gun deaths, etc.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/us-reports-66000-more-deaths-than-expected-so-far-this-year/2020/04/29/b6833548-8a68-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html


The question still stands: How many deaths do you think we would have had this year if we didn’t shelter in place?

Umm it’s on the CDC website itself.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Of course, the media won’t report this because they want you scared.

GMAFB. You don’t get your news from the CDC website. You heard this misinformation on FoxNews or similar. And you happily eat it up even if it’s not true.

Look at your link - it even says it’s not the current number of deaths because of the delayed reporting:
“It is important to note that it can take several weeks for death records to be submitted to National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), processed, coded, and tabulated. Therefore, the data shown on this page may be incomplete, and will likely not include all deaths that occurred during a given time period, especially for the more recent time periods.”

It’s not a “revised” number - it’s just a different metric.


Again, how many people do you think would have died this year if we didn’t shelter in place?

Also from CDC’s website:

“In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. However, please note that testing for COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible“

The numbers are inaccurate. Period.

If these diagnoses are being faked the hospitals will get slapped with MASSIVE FCA lawsuits. No way hospitals are lying about these.

+1

And, again, if anything we are undercounting. As of a week ago, the US had 66,000 more deaths than expected. With far fewer automobile deaths, gun deaths, etc.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/us-reports-66000-more-deaths-than-expected-so-far-this-year/2020/04/29/b6833548-8a68-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html

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Anonymous wrote:What happens if the number of cases/deaths go back up? Back to SIP?

Yes. If/When a second wave hits, then there will be a second sheltering in place. Or a third wave.

No there won't be another sheltering in place. People won't tolerate it anymore.

But, schools and colleges won't reopen in the fall and sports will not resume. So.

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Anonymous wrote:Very confused as to why anyone is considering any of these openings when the Trump Admin is predicting 3k deaths a day which will bring us back to where we were in mid-March very quickly.

They predicted 2.2 million deaths in the beginning. People aren’t buying their BS models anymore.

+1. We’re two weeks behind Italy... we’re 8 days behind Italy...

The 2.2 million was a projection based on not taking any mitigation measures-- no shut down, no social distancing, no telework or tele school, no additional hygiene practices.

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Anonymous wrote:What happens if the number of cases/deaths go back up? Back to SIP?

Yes. If/When a second wave hits, then there will be a second sheltering in place. Or a third wave.

No there won't be another sheltering in place. People won't tolerate it anymore.

But, schools and colleges won't reopen in the fall and sports will not resume. So.

No one said that yet.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought he explicitly said that you could go to the gym, but that there would be capacity restrictions. Is there a written plan that says differently?

yeah, that's what he said. gyms would be open with more cleaning or something. how could a gym like gold's or lifetime keep people six feet apart? and have the staff to clean everything after each use? its silly. Or a big gym can be open but its kid camp is closed? that's not logical.

I'm pretty skeptical about how you safely open gyms. Early in the pandemic, one of the superspreading events was a choir practice in Washington, where people were somewhat spaced apart. Even so, many people got sick, and the lesson was that the forceful breathing and projection of voice during singing spread the virus further than normal.

In a gym, you're going to have people huffing and puffing while they exercise. Seems like that would spew the virus all over the place.

Who cares. As long as elderly/sick aren’t at gym (gyms not exactly magnets for the unhealthy) it really doesn’t matter.

Essentially the message I’m hearing. “Who cares?” Not many. Our country is an embarrassment.

Are you willing to take in homeless people?
Are you willing to make sure Flint MI has clean drinking water?
Are you willing to donate your life savings for poor countries?

If the answer is no to all of these things, you have no room to comment.

We can’t worry about everyone. All we can do is the best we can and do what’s best for us. No one WANTS anyone to die, but we can’t live our lives in fear.

Dear one, are you?

PP here. I admit that I wouldn’t do that. But I’m also not bitching at people for wanting to go to a gym.

Neither am I. I’m still unsure how it can happen safely. The wanting to go isn’t the entire picture.

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Anonymous wrote:Very confused as to why anyone is considering any of these openings when the Trump Admin is predicting 3k deaths a day which will bring us back to where we were in mid-March very quickly.

They predicted 2.2 million deaths in the beginning. People aren’t buying their BS models anymore.

There are at least 67k+ deaths now in the US over the last 3 months.

If we didn’t stay in place how many deaths do you think there would have been this year?

And that count isn’t even accurate. They’re adding people who haven’t even tested positive for COVID to that count. CDC revised the numbers to 36k deaths from COVID.

Where do you get your crappy news? The CDC didn’t “revise” numbers. That is just a different count - # of death certificates, which is a delayed statistic.

If anything we are undercounting. As of a week ago, the US had 66,000 more deaths than expected. With far fewer automobile deaths, gun deaths, etc.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/us-reports-66000-more-deaths-than-expected-so-far-this-year/2020/04/29/b6833548-8a68-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html


The question still stands: How many deaths do you think we would have had this year if we didn’t shelter in place?

Umm it’s on the CDC website itself.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Of course, the media won’t report this because they want you scared.

GMAFB. You don’t get your news from the CDC website. You heard this misinformation on FoxNews or similar. And you happily eat it up even if it’s not true.

Look at your link - it even says it’s not the current number of deaths because of the delayed reporting:
“It is important to note that it can take several weeks for death records to be submitted to National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), processed, coded, and tabulated. Therefore, the data shown on this page may be incomplete, and will likely not include all deaths that occurred during a given time period, especially for the more recent time periods.”

It’s not a “revised” number - it’s just a different metric.


Again, how many people do you think would have died this year if we didn’t shelter in place?

Also from CDC’s website:

“In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. However, please note that testing for COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible“

The numbers are inaccurate. Period.

If these diagnoses are being faked the hospitals will get slapped with MASSIVE FCA lawsuits. No way hospitals are lying about these.

Where have you been? Various doctors have come out and say it’s been happening the last 2 months. It’s mainly because of money.

Hospitals even get insurance money for this if it is a COVID death due to the CARE act. It was in USAToday before you call it a conspiracy

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/