Montgomery County is what happens when the Social Justice Warriors take over

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Never said the good cops would engage in de-policing. This is not an all or nothing, police department wide thing. You have more than 1200 police. Doesn’t take many to cause a loss of public safety.

I am not trying to shame anyone. I’m trying to underscore that the County Executive is too obtuse to see how top two choices won’t help the police or Montgomery county. Leadership matters more than people seem to think.

If the choices are

(1) no oversight even when members of the county police department do questionable things while policing
(2) members of the county police department having hurt feelings and refusing to do their jobs

I'm really not sure which is worse for public safety.

Those aren’t the choices. The choices are Marcus Jones or some other Chief. That’s it.

And your intuition tells you that the more than 1,200 police officers in Montgomery County will either continue to engage in questionable behavior or they will just abandon their duties altogether under Antonio DeVaul or Tonya Chapman?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone think crime will skyrocket nowafter the aspen hill incident? I’ve read things saying police are hesitant to do their jos now according to Kevin Lewis

Yes, the beginnings of depolicing is a real problem. Only person who can fix that is Assistant Chief Jones. Whose been passed over for two finalists who are not competent to run such a large department.

And what exactly is de-policing?

Baltimore City. Where the police just stop doing their jobs. The most fragile of our residents will be the ones who suffer. The exact population the acouncil is trying to protect.

And the police chief can’t fire anyone thanks to collective bargaining. So many bad cops stay.

Sorry but I'm not buying that apocalyptic nonsense.
Police groups and their supporters advance the de-policing argument to keep the public scared. It's a panic button tactic used to frighten folks into thinking that if we don’t keep police officers happy, they’ll stop protecting us — and “keeping police officers happy” means refraining from criticizing cops and removing all outside oversight, even in clear cases of abuse. It’s a cynical, dangerous argument that not only aims to shame critics into silence, but it besmirches the integrity of conscientious police officers. It suggests that good cops would rather let people die than allow the worst and most abusive of their colleagues to even be criticized, much less held accountable.
That's bullshit.
If de-policing means less unconstitutional harassment, then let’s have more de-policing. If it means fewer suspicionless stops, mass arrests or harassment for petty offenses, then de-policing is not the end of the world as you infer. Now if if de-policing means cops don’t respond to calls, or disengage from the community entirely, that of course is a lot more problematic HOWEVER, if the majority of officers out here are decent and honorable and dedicated and don't abuse their power as police groups and their supporters say then I doubt such decent, honorable, and dedicated servants of the community would deliberately abandon those they pledged to protect and serve just because (GASP!!) people had the gall to criticize them. Tell em to grow a pair and ask them if they're carrying badges or pansies.

Very well said. The argument that people make about cops refusing to do their job (and public safety suffering) if they aren't 100% supported, is bogus because police work is largely reactive. You basically go from call to call taking reports. Almost always, the crime has occurred and the suspect is gone when you arrive. Most people have whacky views of LE work because they watch COPS, which is a HEAVILY edited show. But low morale can impact officers performance, but that is something a bit different. This thread is kind of funny because I have family members who were cops back in th 80's, and they have numerous stories about beating the crap out of people who talked back to them.

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DP

I’m mad that people want to immediately jump to conclusions without all the facts. The other PP mentioned that it’s worth investigating before immediately disparaging ALL police officers in MoCO.

Who has disparaged all police officers in Montgomery County?

Will Jawando

DP

I was mostly referring to the posts on NextDoor. There were some crazy anti-Police comments that were over the top.

Anybody will say anything on NextDoor. It's worse than DCUM.

And? People actually think that way. That all cops are bad. And then they elect politicians that feel that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Never said the good cops would engage in de-policing. This is not an all or nothing, police department wide thing. You have more than 1200 police. Doesn’t take many to cause a loss of public safety.

I am not trying to shame anyone. I’m trying to underscore that the County Executive is too obtuse to see how top two choices won’t help the police or Montgomery county. Leadership matters more than people seem to think.

If the choices are

(1) no oversight even when members of the county police department do questionable things while policing
(2) members of the county police department having hurt feelings and refusing to do their jobs

I'm really not sure which is worse for public safety.

Those aren’t the choices. The choices are Marcus Jones or some other Chief. That’s it.

And your intuition tells you that the more than 1,200 police officers in Montgomery County will either continue to engage in questionable behavior or they will just abandon their duties altogether under Antonio DeVaul or Tonya Chapman?

Why evidence do you have that the whole force is engaging in questionable behavior?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone think crime will skyrocket nowafter the aspen hill incident? I’ve read things saying police are hesitant to do their jos now according to Kevin Lewis

Yes, the beginnings of depolicing is a real problem. Only person who can fix that is Assistant Chief Jones. Whose been passed over for two finalists who are not competent to run such a large department.

And what exactly is de-policing?

Baltimore City. Where the police just stop doing their jobs. The most fragile of our residents will be the ones who suffer. The exact population the acouncil is trying to protect.

And the police chief can’t fire anyone thanks to collective bargaining. So many bad cops stay.

Sorry but I'm not buying that apocalyptic nonsense.
Police groups and their supporters advance the de-policing argument to keep the public scared. It's a panic button tactic used to frighten folks into thinking that if we don’t keep police officers happy, they’ll stop protecting us — and “keeping police officers happy” means refraining from criticizing cops and removing all outside oversight, even in clear cases of abuse. It’s a cynical, dangerous argument that not only aims to shame critics into silence, but it besmirches the integrity of conscientious police officers. It suggests that good cops would rather let people die than allow the worst and most abusive of their colleagues to even be criticized, much less held accountable.
That's bullshit.
If de-policing means less unconstitutional harassment, then let’s have more de-policing. If it means fewer suspicionless stops, mass arrests or harassment for petty offenses, then de-policing is not the end of the world as you infer. Now if if de-policing means cops don’t respond to calls, or disengage from the community entirely, that of course is a lot more problematic HOWEVER, if the majority of officers out here are decent and honorable and dedicated and don't abuse their power as police groups and their supporters say then I doubt such decent, honorable, and dedicated servants of the community would deliberately abandon those they pledged to protect and serve just because (GASP!!) people had the gall to criticize them. Tell em to grow a pair and ask them if they're carrying badges or pansies.

Very well said. The argument that people make about cops refusing to do their job (and public safety suffering) if they aren't 100% supported, is bogus because police work is largely reactive. You basically go from call to call taking reports. Almost always, the crime has occurred and the suspect is gone when you arrive. Most people have whacky views of LE work because they watch COPS, which is a HEAVILY edited show. But low morale can impact officers performance, but that is something a bit different. This thread is kind of funny because I have family members who were cops back in th 80's, and they have numerous stories about beating the crap out of people who talked back to them.

This is incorrect. You fail to take into account the impact body cameras have on police concerns about how their behavior may be perceived. Some police think that if a certain situation may go sideways for them, it’s best to avoid it altogether.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Never said the good cops would engage in de-policing. This is not an all or nothing, police department wide thing. You have more than 1200 police. Doesn’t take many to cause a loss of public safety.

I am not trying to shame anyone. I’m trying to underscore that the County Executive is too obtuse to see how top two choices won’t help the police or Montgomery county. Leadership matters more than people seem to think.

If the choices are

(1) no oversight even when members of the county police department do questionable things while policing
(2) members of the county police department having hurt feelings and refusing to do their jobs

I'm really not sure which is worse for public safety.

Those aren’t the choices. The choices are Marcus Jones or some other Chief. That’s it.

And your intuition tells you that the more than 1,200 police officers in Montgomery County will either continue to engage in questionable behavior or they will just abandon their duties altogether under Antonio DeVaul or Tonya Chapman?

Why evidence do you have that the whole force is engaging in questionable behavior?

Didn’t say it was or that it would but evidently there’s some sense of paranoia going around that there’s only one messiah who can step in as police chief and keep the department from crumbling. That’s a wild rationale that is far outside of my comprehension but damned it that’s not how folks are acting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP

I was mostly referring to the posts on NextDoor. There were some crazy anti-Police comments that were over the top.

Anybody will say anything on NextDoor. It's worse than DCUM.

And? People actually think that way. That all cops are bad. And then they elect politicians that feel that way.

I wouldn't base my understanding of humanity or people's political or social opinions on posts on NextDoor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Never said the good cops would engage in de-policing. This is not an all or nothing, police department wide thing. You have more than 1200 police. Doesn’t take many to cause a loss of public safety.

I am not trying to shame anyone. I’m trying to underscore that the County Executive is too obtuse to see how top two choices won’t help the police or Montgomery county. Leadership matters more than people seem to think.

If the choices are

(1) no oversight even when members of the county police department do questionable things while policing
(2) members of the county police department having hurt feelings and refusing to do their jobs

I'm really not sure which is worse for public safety.

Those aren’t the choices. The choices are Marcus Jones or some other Chief. That’s it.

And your intuition tells you that the more than 1,200 police officers in Montgomery County will either continue to engage in questionable behavior or they will just abandon their duties altogether under Antonio DeVaul or Tonya Chapman?

Why evidence do you have that the whole force is engaging in questionable behavior?

Didn’t say it was or that it would but evidently there’s some sense of paranoia going around that there’s only one messiah who can step in as police chief and keep the department from crumbling. That’s a wild rationale that is far outside of my comprehension but damned it that’s not how folks are acting.

Nobody said there’s a messiah. Only that the best candidate is internal and the executive instead picked two candidates who would be in over their heads. One would possibly make existing problems much worse. If he’d picked somebody with a great reputation from another major city, it would have been an entirely different story. But he didn’t. He’s incompetent at picking department heads because he has no idea what leadership looks like. While residents may not be impacted by a bad HR director, people will likely be impacted by a bad police chief.

[Anonymous]

And now Comrade Elrich wants us to become officially a Sanctuary County. The whole council supports this. The communists and the SJWs rejoice together as they drive the county off a cliff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And now Comrade Elrich wants us to become officially a Sanctuary County. The whole council supports this. The communists and the SJWs rejoice together as they drive the county off a cliff.

Proof moco was not a sanctuary city though.

[Anonymous]

I will violate all smoking bans now that laws are optional

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will violate all smoking bans now that laws are optional

Dude, nobody smokes anymore... I hope it's at least a blunt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And now Comrade Elrich wants us to become officially a Sanctuary County. The whole council supports this. The communists and the SJWs rejoice together as they drive the county off a cliff.

Oh come on. You missed an opportunity for further insult. Surely the communists and the SJWs won't drive the county off a cliff? They will force the county to bike off a cliff, in a bike lane!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And now Comrade Elrich wants us to become officially a Sanctuary County. The whole council supports this. The communists and the SJWs rejoice together as they drive the county off a cliff.

Oh come on. You missed an opportunity for further insult. Surely the communists and the SJWs won't drive the county off a cliff? They will force the county to bike off a cliff, in a bike lane!

As far as I know Elrich rides around in a government vehicle with a personal driver. The bike lanes are for the proles.
He probably couldn't fit in a bike lane anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Never said the good cops would engage in de-policing. This is not an all or nothing, police department wide thing. You have more than 1200 police. Doesn’t take many to cause a loss of public safety.

I am not trying to shame anyone. I’m trying to underscore that the County Executive is too obtuse to see how top two choices won’t help the police or Montgomery county. Leadership matters more than people seem to think.

If the choices are

(1) no oversight even when members of the county police department do questionable things while policing
(2) members of the county police department having hurt feelings and refusing to do their jobs

I'm really not sure which is worse for public safety.

+1

Is there any other job in the world where the public would sit back and let folks refuse to work rather than be held to account for their performance?

I can't imagine keeping MY job if I said I would refuse to do it rather than subject myself to oversight.

Police are not special, and if individual cops do not perform, they can be replaced.