Equity model editorial

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes you can be illiterate n Spanish and English and still get by with stringing words cursing together. Just like a 2 and 3 yo can.

Me want food. Me going to store. Me see you late. Me likes juice.

For most of human history, most people were illiterate, and yet their spoken language was just fine. Homer was almost certainly illiterate, but the Odyssey doesn't start "Hey, sing about man."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes you can be illiterate n Spanish and English and still get by with stringing words cursing together. Just like a 2 and 3 yo can.

Me want food. Me going to store. Me see you late. Me likes juice.

And apparently, you can even be president just stringing words together.

Actually people like you got Trump elected. Haven’t you figured that out by now?

When did this forum become so heavily trolled by Russians posing as alt-right GOP fanboys?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes you can be illiterate n Spanish and English and still get by with stringing words cursing together. Just like a 2 and 3 yo can.

Me want food. Me going to store. Me see you late. Me likes juice.

For most of human history, most people were illiterate, and yet their spoken language was just fine. Homer was almost certainly illiterate, but the Odyssey doesn't start "Hey, sing about man."

FWIW: Virgil’s Aeneid starts: Arma virumque cano. (Of arms and the man I sing........).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

If you never went to formal schooling when little even in your home country— as many. Central Americans have not- you will have limited Spanish or village language and will not know how to formally learn a second language since you have no concept of parts of speech, verb conjugation, vacancy for anything in a developed society, punctuation, etc. Maybe some texting shortcut words

You don't have to know any of that stuff in order to learn a second (or third, or fourth, or nth) language.

uh

When someone asks you to conjugate a verb in the present tense, you will NOT have the conceptual knowledge to do so. So yes, you need to know basic grammar in order to learn another language.

Imagine then conjugating verbs in the future tense, past tense, imperfect, the past subjunctive . . . I could go on and on. And then, if you're only "literate" in a spoken dialect, your vocabulary will mirror your community/village/town.

Put me in Northern Italy or Sicily - in towns where dialects are spoken - and there's no way I can pick up on the language, as many of these dialects are VERY different from the standard.

So no, Spanish dialects are NOT the same as standard Spanish. So kids entering the country knowing only a dialect are starting at square one, with basic grammar (noun, adjective, adverb, verb). Therefore, equity, in this case, means providing MORE resources for those programs in order to level the playing field. Since resources are limited, schools are often robbing Peter to pay Paul. And guess who suffers? your average student

But that's the county's definition of equity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes you can be illiterate n Spanish and English and still get by with stringing words cursing together. Just like a 2 and 3 yo can.

Me want food. Me going to store. Me see you late. Me likes juice.

For most of human history, most people were illiterate, and yet their spoken language was just fine. Homer was almost certainly illiterate, but the Odyssey doesn't start "Hey, sing about man."

FWIW: Virgil’s Aeneid starts: Arma virumque cano. (Of arms and the man I sing........).

Virgil was literate, though.

Emily Wilson's outstanding new translation of the Odyssey starts, "Tell me about a complicated man, Muse, tell me how he wandered and was lost when he had wrecked the holy town of Troy..." But according to the top PP, illiterate Homer was just stringing words together, like a three-year-old.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If you never went to formal schooling when little even in your home country— as many. Central Americans have not- you will have limited Spanish or village language and will not know how to formally learn a second language since you have no concept of parts of speech, verb conjugation, vacancy for anything in a developed society, punctuation, etc. Maybe some texting shortcut words

You don't have to know any of that stuff in order to learn a second (or third, or fourth, or nth) language.

uh

When someone asks you to conjugate a verb in the present tense, you will NOT have the conceptual knowledge to do so. So yes, you need to know basic grammar in order to learn another language.

Imagine then conjugating verbs in the future tense, past tense, imperfect, the past subjunctive . . . I could go on and on. And then, if you're only "literate" in a spoken dialect, your vocabulary will mirror your community/village/town.

Put me in Northern Italy or Sicily - in towns where dialects are spoken - and there's no way I can pick up on the language, as many of these dialects are VERY different from the standard.

So no, Spanish dialects are NOT the same as standard Spanish. So kids entering the country knowing only a dialect are starting at square one, with basic grammar (noun, adjective, adverb, verb). Therefore, equity, in this case, means providing MORE resources for those programs in order to level the playing field. Since resources are limited, schools are often robbing Peter to pay Paul. And guess who suffers? your average student

But that's the county's definition of equity.

Sure you could. You're not giving yourself enough credit. You can learn a language through formal instruction, but you can also learn a language from just living there and having to learn it. Especially if you're a child.

And you certainly do not have to know about verb conjugation in order to use verbs correctly when you speak. That's the "Par ma foi, il y a plus de quarante ans que je dis de la prose, sans que j'en susse rien" thing.

[Anonymous]

NP.

I am not really grasping why people are contesting the notion that uneducated children have a lot of catching up to do in order to thrive in school, especially when they have to learn a new language and are lacking vocabulary even in their native language. It is a pure fact that some people have an educated, extensive vocabulary and some have a limited vocabulary in their native language, depending on their life experiences.

Comparing all this to a genius ancient poet who may not have known how to write but was clearly exposed to an education and extensive vocabulary is really weird.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP.

I am not really grasping why people are contesting the notion that uneducated children have a lot of catching up to do in order to thrive in school, especially when they have to learn a new language and are lacking vocabulary even in their native language. It is a pure fact that some people have an educated, extensive vocabulary and some have a limited vocabulary in their native language, depending on their life experiences.

Comparing all this to a genius ancient poet who may not have known how to write but was clearly exposed to an education and extensive vocabulary is really weird.

Nobody is disputing that they have catching up to do. Just that it's not true that they don't speak any language.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP.

I am not really grasping why people are contesting the notion that uneducated children have a lot of catching up to do in order to thrive in school, especially when they have to learn a new language and are lacking vocabulary even in their native language. It is a pure fact that some people have an educated, extensive vocabulary and some have a limited vocabulary in their native language, depending on their life experiences.

Comparing all this to a genius ancient poet who may not have known how to write but was clearly exposed to an education and extensive vocabulary is really weird.

Nobody is disputing that they have catching up to do. Just that it's not true that they don't speak any language.

The original quote that we’re discussing is the person who said it’s not true that there are people “who don’t know any language well”. That is very different than saying “they don’t speak any language “.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP.

I am not really grasping why people are contesting the notion that uneducated children have a lot of catching up to do in order to thrive in school, especially when they have to learn a new language and are lacking vocabulary even in their native language. It is a pure fact that some people have an educated, extensive vocabulary and some have a limited vocabulary in their native language, depending on their life experiences.

Comparing all this to a genius ancient poet who may not have known how to write but was clearly exposed to an education and extensive vocabulary is really weird.

Nobody is disputing that they have catching up to do. Just that it's not true that they don't speak any language.

The original quote that we’re discussing is the person who said it’s not true that there are people “who don’t know any language well”. That is very different than saying “they don’t speak any language “.

People are probably not communicating with their friends and family with points and grunts (or, if they are, it's not because they don't know any language well).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need marriage and parenting class plus How to Live in a Developed Country class (rules of the road, concept of health insurance, school matters, healthy diet, birth control, trade jobs vs career jobs, benefits of exercise, w-2 jobs is legal/cash job is illegal) in Spanish.

Here's reality. If you are here illegally, you already believe that this country doesn't want you here so you don't have any incentive to assimilate. Your goal in being here is to make money in America to send back to your family in your home country. You are directed by CASA to areas of the county (Wheaton, Aspen Hill, etc) where you fit in. Any type of education your kids get is 100x better than the country you came from so you are good with it.

Of course, this applies far less to those who legally immigrated here. As someone who went through the process, I can tell you that it's quite a journey. But, in the end it's so worth it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need marriage and parenting class plus How to Live in a Developed Country class (rules of the road, concept of health insurance, school matters, healthy diet, birth control, trade jobs vs career jobs, benefits of exercise, w-2 jobs is legal/cash job is illegal) in Spanish.

Here's reality. If you are here illegally, you already believe that this country doesn't want you here so you don't have any incentive to assimilate. Your goal in being here is to make money in America to send back to your family in your home country. You are directed by CASA to areas of the county (Wheaton, Aspen Hill, etc) where you fit in. Any type of education your kids get is 100x better than the country you came from so you are good with it.

Of course, this applies far less to those who legally immigrated here. As someone who went through the process, I can tell you that it's quite a journey. But, in the end it's so worth it.

Your definition of reality must be different from mine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes you can be illiterate n Spanish and English and still get by with stringing words cursing together. Just like a 2 and 3 yo can.

Me want food. Me going to store. Me see you late. Me likes juice.

For most of human history, most people were illiterate, and yet their spoken language was just fine. Homer was almost certainly illiterate, but the Odyssey doesn't start "Hey, sing about man."

Just what America needs in the 21st century. A bunch of illiterate pagans on welfare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP.

I am not really grasping why people are contesting the notion that uneducated children have a lot of catching up to do in order to thrive in school, especially when they have to learn a new language and are lacking vocabulary even in their native language. It is a pure fact that some people have an educated, extensive vocabulary and some have a limited vocabulary in their native language, depending on their life experiences.

Comparing all this to a genius ancient poet who may not have known how to write but was clearly exposed to an education and extensive vocabulary is really weird.

Some posters like to deflect when the truth hurts them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP.

I am not really grasping why people are contesting the notion that uneducated children have a lot of catching up to do in order to thrive in school, especially when they have to learn a new language and are lacking vocabulary even in their native language. It is a pure fact that some people have an educated, extensive vocabulary and some have a limited vocabulary in their native language, depending on their life experiences.

Comparing all this to a genius ancient poet who may not have known how to write but was clearly exposed to an education and extensive vocabulary is really weird.

Nobody is disputing that they have catching up to do. Just that it's not true that they don't speak any language.
The original quote that we’re discussing is the person who said it’s not true that there are people “who don’t know any language well”. That is very different than saying “they don’t speak any language “.

Call me when they pass the low bar proficiency test for their actual age and grade.until then, save the ridiculous excuses and tangents for someone elseZ