Equity model editorial

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they are making this too much about race, especially considering the county is majority-minority and whites are only the second largest group at MCPS (latinos are #1).

The five groups they identify for special focus seem to comprise more than half of all students. At that point, why not just focus on all students?

It's like the free lunch program -- at schools where more than a certain percentage of teh student body is entitled to it, they realized it's easier to just give everyone free lunch at that school than deal with the hassle of charging/running a payment program for the minority of kids who don't qualify for it.

I think they should just focus on students who are lower SES, regardless of race.

+1 in the other thread about Asian Americans and MS magnet, someone stated that people should stop making it about race, and I responded that I totally agree, but that it's MCPS that keeps bringing race into the picture.

If they want to be race blind in magnets, then why call out races for under achievers?

If they want to look at the individual rather than the group, then why make magnet admission about "peer cohort"?

If you truly understand the history of the United States, you know that race and SES are linked. Even if you did focus on SES and didn't mention race, you are still going to find Blacks and Hispanics overrepresented when it comes to poverty.

I find the desire to "take race out of it" to be....questionable.

Yes, I do *truly* understand US history, which includes discrimination against Asian Americans, as well. Do you *truly* understand that?

And I hope you *truly* understand that you can't say "let's look at race when it comes to instance x but not look at race when it comes to instance y". Either you look at it, or you don't. Stop picking and choosing when you want to look at race and when you don't.

I have no problem helping low income students. I grew up low income, with very little help from our poor school district when I was in school. I am now upper/middle income and have donated thousands of dollars to our public schools via the "buy nothing drive"; we participate in the backpack back to school drives. I have no problem with MCPS helping out low income students. I have a problem with MCPS (and others) picking and choosing when to look at race (when it helps some groups) and when not to (when it doesn't help said group).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/local-opinions/the-growing-achievement-gap-in-montgomery-county-schools-must-be-addressed/2019/05/02/9cdf89ac-5bc5-11e9-842d-7d3ed7eb3957_story.html?utm_term=.9d60ade72868

Without disagreeing with the overall message that communities of color ib MCPS are in educational crisis, especially if poverty is added into the mix, can we talk about what this editorial and the vision outlined by Dr Smith means for students and communities not in crisis?

Why would I move here if I wasn’t poor or a “focus area” student?

There is nothing new in this tool, as Smith says. But what he intends to do is what will scare everyone away.

OP here - yes, I am asking myself that same question.

The county needs to start doing something to retain families that seek opportunities to give their children the education competitive on the world level, not on grade level.

Are you still hesitating?
Let's all move.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/local-opinions/the-growing-achievement-gap-in-montgomery-county-schools-must-be-addressed/2019/05/02/9cdf89ac-5bc5-11e9-842d-7d3ed7eb3957_story.html?utm_term=.9d60ade72868

Without disagreeing with the overall message that communities of color ib MCPS are in educational crisis, especially if poverty is added into the mix, can we talk about what this editorial and the vision outlined by Dr Smith means for students and communities not in crisis?

Why would I move here if I wasn’t poor or a “focus area” student?

There is nothing new in this tool, as Smith says. But what he intends to do is what will scare everyone away.

OP here - yes, I am asking myself that same question.

The county needs to start doing something to retain families that seek opportunities to give their children the education competitive on the world level, not on grade level.

Yes whiners need to go. They are standing in the way progress by climging to segregated schools.

Are you still hesitating?
Let's all move.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t want to be a teacher here.

Now you can be judged on how well your students are testing based on
Poor blacks
Poor Hispanics
Poor non black or non Hispanic
Black
Hispanic
Non poor, non hispanic, non black

Lovely. As if.

The whole Jack Smith OpEd seems to be setting the table for One Big Experiment. Never mind the other MCPS failed experiments (c2.0, test retakes, whole grading in HS, free meals, free Heathcare, free summer camp, free test prep, free counseling, free esol for years, no discipline or punish intent, etc. All of that didn’t help some kids test on grade level proficiency.

Can’t wait to see what’s next up Jack’s central office $2B budget sleeve.

The man is a narcissistic maniac. He needs to get his pedophile friends out of MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Again the biggest thing in education today is closing the achievement gap

They want everyone to be average period

It's only good if you are below grade level

Above grade level we don't care so please shutup educating you just increases the achievement gap

At grade level we don't care about you either you are fine

All resources need to go to folks below grade level to get them to be average that's it average otherwise if they advance too far they start having a negative impact on the achievement gap again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they are making this too much about race, especially considering the county is majority-minority and whites are only the second largest group at MCPS (latinos are #1).

The five groups they identify for special focus seem to comprise more than half of all students. At that point, why not just focus on all students?

It's like the free lunch program -- at schools where more than a certain percentage of teh student body is entitled to it, they realized it's easier to just give everyone free lunch at that school than deal with the hassle of charging/running a payment program for the minority of kids who don't qualify for it.

I think they should just focus on students who are lower SES, regardless of race.

+1 in the other thread about Asian Americans and MS magnet, someone stated that people should stop making it about race, and I responded that I totally agree, but that it's MCPS that keeps bringing race into the picture.

If they want to be race blind in magnets, then why call out races for under achievers?

If they want to look at the individual rather than the group, then why make magnet admission about "peer cohort"?

If you truly understand the history of the United States, you know that race and SES are linked. Even if you did focus on SES and didn't mention race, you are still going to find Blacks and Hispanics overrepresented when it comes to poverty.

I find the desire to "take race out of it" to be....questionable.

Yes, I do *truly* understand US history, which includes discrimination against Asian Americans, as well. Do you *truly* understand that?

And I hope you *truly* understand that you can't say "let's look at race when it comes to instance x but not look at race when it comes to instance y". Either you look at it, or you don't. Stop picking and choosing when you want to look at race and when you don't.

I have no problem helping low income students. I grew up low income, with very little help from our poor school district when I was in school. I am now upper/middle income and have donated thousands of dollars to our public schools via the "buy nothing drive"; we participate in the backpack back to school drives. I have no problem with MCPS helping out low income students. I have a problem with MCPS (and others) picking and choosing when to look at race (when it helps some groups) and when not to (when it doesn't help said group).

I think it is perfectly fine to look at SES...but if you think that doing so will get you away from the race factor that you so clearly loathe, you are mistaken.

This country was built on brutality and the subjugation of some to the benefit of others. We see the remnants of this today in the form of massive inequalities with black and brown kids more likely to be in the losing in.

So sure, let's focus on SES in lieu of race. You will still be focused in the same group of kids , but you will probably "feel" better about it.

[Anonymous]

I am certain that schools can't solve this problem. What about turning high farms schools into more of a community center. A place that offers job training, education and services for families. It will bring the families to the school - they will become involved and invested. They will also have access to information and education about how to get their kids the best education and what supplemental programs are available.

To leave this all to a school or school district is ridiculous!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they are making this too much about race, especially considering the county is majority-minority and whites are only the second largest group at MCPS (latinos are #1).

The five groups they identify for special focus seem to comprise more than half of all students. At that point, why not just focus on all students?

It's like the free lunch program -- at schools where more than a certain percentage of teh student body is entitled to it, they realized it's easier to just give everyone free lunch at that school than deal with the hassle of charging/running a payment program for the minority of kids who don't qualify for it.

I think they should just focus on students who are lower SES, regardless of race.

+1 in the other thread about Asian Americans and MS magnet, someone stated that people should stop making it about race, and I responded that I totally agree, but that it's MCPS that keeps bringing race into the picture.

If they want to be race blind in magnets, then why call out races for under achievers?

If they want to look at the individual rather than the group, then why make magnet admission about "peer cohort"?

If you truly understand the history of the United States, you know that race and SES are linked. Even if you did focus on SES and didn't mention race, you are still going to find Blacks and Hispanics overrepresented when it comes to poverty.

I find the desire to "take race out of it" to be....questionable.

Yes, I do *truly* understand US history, which includes discrimination against Asian Americans, as well. Do you *truly* understand that?

And I hope you *truly* understand that you can't say "let's look at race when it comes to instance x but not look at race when it comes to instance y". Either you look at it, or you don't. Stop picking and choosing when you want to look at race and when you don't.

I have no problem helping low income students. I grew up low income, with very little help from our poor school district when I was in school. I am now upper/middle income and have donated thousands of dollars to our public schools via the "buy nothing drive"; we participate in the backpack back to school drives. I have no problem with MCPS helping out low income students. I have a problem with MCPS (and others) picking and choosing when to look at race (when it helps some groups) and when not to (when it doesn't help said group).

I think it is perfectly fine to look at SES...but if you think that doing so will get you away from the race factor that you so clearly loathe, you are mistaken.

This country was built on brutality and the subjugation of some to the benefit of others. We see the remnants of this today in the form of massive inequalities with black and brown kids more likely to be in the losing in.

So sure, let's focus on SES in lieu of race. You will still be focused in the same group of kids , but you will probably "feel" better about it.

so its has nothing to do with culture and intact families right
why do some black and hispanic kids make it
why do almost all asians make it

please this race baiting bs is exactly why trump was able to win

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t want to be a teacher here.

Now you can be judged on how well your students are testing based on
Poor blacks
Poor Hispanics
Poor non black or non Hispanic
Black
Hispanic
Non poor, non hispanic, non black

Lovely. As if.

The whole Jack Smith OpEd seems to be setting the table for One Big Experiment. Never mind the other MCPS failed experiments (c2.0, test retakes, whole grading in HS, free meals, free Heathcare, free summer camp, free test prep, free counseling, free esol for years, no discipline or punish intent, etc. All of that didn’t help some kids test on grade level proficiency.

Can’t wait to see what’s next up Jack’s central office $2B budget sleeve.

The man is a narcissistic maniac. He needs to get his pedophile friends out of MCPS.

[phone]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again the biggest thing in education today is closing the achievement gap

They want everyone to be average period

It's only good if you are below grade level

Above grade level we don't care so please shutup educating you just increases the achievement gap

At grade level we don't care about you either you are fine

All resources need to go to folks below grade level to get them to be average that's it average otherwise if they advance too far they start having a negative impact on the achievement gap again

it was big when i was in grad school back in the 90s as well. not that new.

[Anonymous]

It's all well and good to say you want to close the achievement gap, but he said nothing other than "oh we have this new metric to measure the gap." Great -- you've measured it. Now how are you going to close it while also providing high quality education to non-FARMS kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they are making this too much about race, especially considering the county is majority-minority and whites are only the second largest group at MCPS (latinos are #1).

The five groups they identify for special focus seem to comprise more than half of all students. At that point, why not just focus on all students?

It's like the free lunch program -- at schools where more than a certain percentage of teh student body is entitled to it, they realized it's easier to just give everyone free lunch at that school than deal with the hassle of charging/running a payment program for the minority of kids who don't qualify for it.

I think they should just focus on students who are lower SES, regardless of race.

+1 in the other thread about Asian Americans and MS magnet, someone stated that people should stop making it about race, and I responded that I totally agree, but that it's MCPS that keeps bringing race into the picture.

If they want to be race blind in magnets, then why call out races for under achievers?

If they want to look at the individual rather than the group, then why make magnet admission about "peer cohort"?

If you truly understand the history of the United States, you know that race and SES are linked. Even if you did focus on SES and didn't mention race, you are still going to find Blacks and Hispanics overrepresented when it comes to poverty.

I find the desire to "take race out of it" to be....questionable.

Yes, I do *truly* understand US history, which includes discrimination against Asian Americans, as well. Do you *truly* understand that?

And I hope you *truly* understand that you can't say "let's look at race when it comes to instance x but not look at race when it comes to instance y". Either you look at it, or you don't. Stop picking and choosing when you want to look at race and when you don't.

I have no problem helping low income students. I grew up low income, with very little help from our poor school district when I was in school. I am now upper/middle income and have donated thousands of dollars to our public schools via the "buy nothing drive"; we participate in the backpack back to school drives. I have no problem with MCPS helping out low income students. I have a problem with MCPS (and others) picking and choosing when to look at race (when it helps some groups) and when not to (when it doesn't help said group).

I think it is perfectly fine to look at SES...but if you think that doing so will get you away from the race factor that you so clearly loathe, you are mistaken.

This country was built on brutality and the subjugation of some to the benefit of others. We see the remnants of this today in the form of massive inequalities with black and brown kids more likely to be in the losing in.

So sure, let's focus on SES in lieu of race. You will still be focused in the same group of kids , but you will probably "feel" better about it.

so its has nothing to do with culture and intact families right
why do some black and hispanic kids make it
why do almost all asians make it

please this race baiting bs is exactly why trump was able to win

With this statement, you confirm that you *don't * truly understand the history of this country.

Sadly, I'm not surprised

[Anonymous]

Why are we paying consultants to devise new tools to measure the achievement gap. It is there. It is not getting smaller!

If I could wave my magic wand:
1. At all grade levels, Allow any low income student to cosa to a school that is less than 30% farms and mcps provides transportation.
2. Implement very small class sizes in all grade levels of ES’s with higher than 30% farms. 12 per class?
3. Get rid of ES and MS magnets and implement enriched education at ES level and honors level classes in MS.
4. Provide academic supports for kids in MS who are below grade level with a focus on college readiness.
5. Focus on diploma/ged attainment and career readiness for high schoolers who are below grade level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

so its has nothing to do with culture and intact families right
why do some black and hispanic kids make it
why do almost all asians make it

please this race baiting bs is exactly why trump was able to win

Why is income inequality in the US rising most rapidly among Asian-Americans?

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2018/07/12/income-inequality-in-the-u-s-is-rising-most-rapidly-among-asians/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t want to be a teacher here.

Now you can be judged on how well your students are testing based on
Poor blacks
Poor Hispanics
Poor non black or non Hispanic
Black
Hispanic
Non poor, non hispanic, non black

Lovely. As if.

The whole Jack Smith OpEd seems to be setting the table for One Big Experiment. Never mind the other MCPS failed experiments (c2.0, test retakes, whole grading in HS, free meals, free Heathcare, free summer camp, free test prep, free counseling, free esol for years, no discipline or punish intent, etc. All of that didn’t help some kids test on grade level proficiency.

Can’t wait to see what’s next up Jack’s central office $2B budget sleeve.

The man is a narcissistic maniac. He needs to get his pedophile friends out of MCPS.

He also has a MASSIVE chip on his shoulder. I cannot take another speech where he cites his parents who didn't graduate and how he barely did. He's 100000:1 for mentioning things to do for bottom performers versus things to do for top performers.