New Report on Racial and Economic Diversity in DC public and charter schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and we come full circle

What this is really about sour grapes from folks who can't afford to live WOTP and are stuck in a mediocre school situation

Most of you would probably be better off in the suburbs instead of trying to force schools to be how you would like them to be

and of course the ultimate irony is if you could convince your neighbors to actually embrace the neighborhood school all these issues go away

Specifically looking at Capitol Hill and Brooklyn folks

No, actually, this is about racial and economic diversity in DC public and charter schools. I actually CAN afford to move, but I prefer to stay where and I am. And wow, I actually care about other people!

how many racial and economic diverse areas exist in DC I'm serious. Columbia Heights that's it. The few other places where this exists are just in various stages of gentrification on the way to becoming higher SES

do you go to your neighborhood school?

Ward 4 -- the part EOTP -- is the most economically and racially diverse ward in the city.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and we come full circle

What this is really about sour grapes from folks who can't afford to live WOTP and are stuck in a mediocre school situation

Most of you would probably be better off in the suburbs instead of trying to force schools to be how you would like them to be

and of course the ultimate irony is if you could convince your neighbors to actually embrace the neighborhood school all these issues go away

Specifically looking at Capitol Hill and Brooklyn folks

No, actually, this is about racial and economic diversity in DC public and charter schools. I actually CAN afford to move, but I prefer to stay where and I am. And wow, I actually care about other people!

Do your kids attend their IB school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chicago sounds like a real pain in the tuchas for families with school-age children. San Francisco, too. And Manhattan. It's really tough to be a highly-educated person who loves an urban environment but also wants to raise well-educated kids. On the bright side: the availability of self-determined options in D.C. is a lot better than what's available in some other cities.

spare me. you don't get to "love an urban environment" and not have to, you know, actually LIVE with your neighbors side by side.

You're trying to say something else. Obviously, everyone who lives in the city lives next to their neighbors, "side by side." You seem to be really angry that some people who have money can get a good school for their kids AND live in the city; whereas you are stuck with literally the worst performing school system in the United States because you either can't, or refuse, to move into a better public school boundary. If you own your residence, it's still possible to move into a condo in a better school zone, depending on how much you care about your child's education. Clearly, we need more condos to make choices along this line even easier; but you don't seem the type to even consider it. Stew away.

My kid goes to an excellent and diverse school, so I have no worries at all about the quality of his schooling. What's gross is to say "Oh Muffie, don't you just love the urban environment" whilst clutching pearls at your children having to attend school along with the locals.

Where we seem to agree is we both like living in the City. Where we disagree is my ability to see how the overall quality of DCPS is at an apocalyptic level of horrible, recognize that reality, and encourage others to do their best to avoid the worst. Instead, you want to condemn your neighbors to to send their kids into that mess, based on some kind of moralistic mantra that I can't figure out or even wish to understand. But, based on your last comment, it seems you have made a wise choice to benefit your family. Good for you. Hypocrisy though?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^ Andy if you want a more integrated school, put it in a central location. WOTP is a PITA for most of the city so you might as just well build the wall to keep the rest of the city out of upper NW.

If it’s such a PITA, why is everyone trying to get their kids into the schools there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chicago sounds like a real pain in the tuchas for families with school-age children. San Francisco, too. And Manhattan. It's really tough to be a highly-educated person who loves an urban environment but also wants to raise well-educated kids. On the bright side: the availability of self-determined options in D.C. is a lot better than what's available in some other cities.

spare me. you don't get to "love an urban environment" and not have to, you know, actually LIVE with your neighbors side by side.

You're trying to say something else. Obviously, everyone who lives in the city lives next to their neighbors, "side by side." You seem to be really angry that some people who have money can get a good school for their kids AND live in the city; whereas you are stuck with literally the worst performing school system in the United States because you either can't, or refuse, to move into a better public school boundary. If you own your residence, it's still possible to move into a condo in a better school zone, depending on how much you care about your child's education. Clearly, we need more condos to make choices along this line even easier; but you don't seem the type to even consider it. Stew away.

More affordable housing is needed across the city. But building more of it so more and more kids can go to one or two schools that will only get more and more crowded doesn’t make much sense. What about kids in other neighborhoods?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Andy if you want a more integrated school, put it in a central location. WOTP is a PITA for most of the city so you might as just well build the wall to keep the rest of the city out of upper NW.

If it’s such a PITA, why is everyone trying to get their kids into the schools there?

What's a PITA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and we come full circle

What this is really about sour grapes from folks who can't afford to live WOTP and are stuck in a mediocre school situation

Most of you would probably be better off in the suburbs instead of trying to force schools to be how you would like them to be

and of course the ultimate irony is if you could convince your neighbors to actually embrace the neighborhood school all these issues go away

Specifically looking at Capitol Hill and Brooklyn folks

No, actually, this is about racial and economic diversity in DC public and charter schools. I actually CAN afford to move, but I prefer to stay where and I am. And wow, I actually care about other people!

how many racial and economic diverse areas exist in DC I'm serious. Columbia Heights that's it. The few other places where this exists are just in various stages of gentrification on the way to becoming higher SES

do you go to your neighborhood school?

Dude, that's what the ENTIRE REPORT is about. Read it.

???? all of this is some liberal pipe dream. Look this is about housing policy. DC and other major cities are extremely segregated economically and racially. Noone wants an all lottery system. SF mentioned multiple times on this thread. Until people actually start settling and living in diverse ways this is all a waste of time. The best you can do is to try and keep more higher income people in the system. Its happening naturally over time due to gentrification.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and we come full circle

What this is really about sour grapes from folks who can't afford to live WOTP and are stuck in a mediocre school situation

Most of you would probably be better off in the suburbs instead of trying to force schools to be how you would like them to be

and of course the ultimate irony is if you could convince your neighbors to actually embrace the neighborhood school all these issues go away

Specifically looking at Capitol Hill and Brooklyn folks

No, actually, this is about racial and economic diversity in DC public and charter schools. I actually CAN afford to move, but I prefer to stay where and I am. And wow, I actually care about other people!

how many racial and economic diverse areas exist in DC I'm serious. Columbia Heights that's it. The few other places where this exists are just in various stages of gentrification on the way to becoming higher SES

do you go to your neighborhood school?

Ward 4 -- the part EOTP -- is the most economically and racially diverse ward in the city.

When you consider the various social, crime and economic challenges that DC has faced and still faces, how is gentrification not a good thing? That may be un-P.C. to say, but in many respects, gentrification can't come fast enough for the city.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Andy if you want a more integrated school, put it in a central location. WOTP is a PITA for most of the city so you might as just well build the wall to keep the rest of the city out of upper NW.

If it’s such a PITA, why is everyone trying to get their kids into the schools there?

Because right now, that is where most of the private schools are and Wilson and feeders. If DCPS wants to diversify the system, especially at the high school level, place it geographically central, near transit. This is why SWW and even BASIS are popular and diverse. You and your children CAN leave Ward 3, you know!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chicago sounds like a real pain in the tuchas for families with school-age children. San Francisco, too. And Manhattan. It's really tough to be a highly-educated person who loves an urban environment but also wants to raise well-educated kids. On the bright side: the availability of self-determined options in D.C. is a lot better than what's available in some other cities.

spare me. you don't get to "love an urban environment" and not have to, you know, actually LIVE with your neighbors side by side.

Parts of Bethesda and Silver Spring are far more urban than many parts of Ward 3.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Andy if you want a more integrated school, put it in a central location. WOTP is a PITA for most of the city so you might as just well build the wall to keep the rest of the city out of upper NW.

If it’s such a PITA, why is everyone trying to get their kids into the schools there?

Because right now, that is where most of the private schools are and Wilson and feeders. If DCPS wants to diversify the system, especially at the high school level, place it geographically central, near transit. This is why SWW and even BASIS are popular and diverse. You and your children CAN leave Ward 3, you know!

Let's do the green thing. Continue to have OOB spots in Ward 3, but insist that everyone arrive by transit or on foot. I'm sick of seeing traffic jams outside of the school. Some cars even have Maryland license plates!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On a different tack when we talk about limited school capacity west of the Park - does anyone talk about new charters west of Rock Creek Park? Does PCSB have any known positive or negative views about this?

It's pretty expensive real estate west of the Park, and since charters have to pay for their building as well as for teachers, administrators, equipment, etc., renting the most expensive land in the city doesn't seem like a good first move for your new school.

Washington Latin in its first few years was in Ward 3, in a church hall on Mass. Ave. known affectionately as the thunder dome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and we come full circle

What this is really about sour grapes from folks who can't afford to live WOTP and are stuck in a mediocre school situation

Most of you would probably be better off in the suburbs instead of trying to force schools to be how you would like them to be

and of course the ultimate irony is if you could convince your neighbors to actually embrace the neighborhood school all these issues go away

Specifically looking at Capitol Hill and Brooklyn folks

No, actually, this is about racial and economic diversity in DC public and charter schools. I actually CAN afford to move, but I prefer to stay where and I am. And wow, I actually care about other people!

OK. They I assume you don't complaint about your IB schools?

[Anonymous]

Wait what's Maryland? Is that the same as Canada?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Andy if you want a more integrated school, put it in a central location. WOTP is a PITA for most of the city so you might as just well build the wall to keep the rest of the city out of upper NW.

If it’s such a PITA, why is everyone trying to get their kids into the schools there?

Because right now, that is where most of the private schools are and Wilson and feeders. If DCPS wants to diversify the system, especially at the high school level, place it geographically central, near transit. This is why SWW and even BASIS are popular and diverse. You and your children CAN leave Ward 3, you know!

Let's do the green thing. Continue to have OOB spots in Ward 3, but insist that everyone arrive by transit or on foot. I'm sick of seeing traffic jams outside of the school. Some cars even have Maryland license plates!

You think the cars are only from OOB? Ha!