Voter suppression

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Liberal and I want everyone to be given an ID that could be used for voting if you don’t have a drivers license or state ID card, or a passport. I think it would be a great thing for society. However:
1) if you don’t already have an ID, chances are you’re probably pretty poor on the margins of society. So the ID needs to be given for free.
2) voter ID’s are already free in some states, but the underlying documentation like a birth certificate isn’t free and can be difficult for people to get. So a person who doesn’t have that documentation needs to be provided with free legal aid to get it.
3) people need to be able to get it at the places they usually frequent in their own neighborhoods - like grocery stores, churches, K-12 schools and universities, etc. No making inner-city granny or single mom spend their whole day taking 3 buses across town to get to a DMV that’s only open 9-5 during the week. They need to be able to get these ID’s printed at local places.

And this is why IDs are inherently discriminatory (and I know you already know these points):
1) they’re not free
2) birth certificates or other proof can be difficult to get
3) the GOP makes sure to close these reachable offices for maximum difficulty

https://www.dot.nd.gov/divisions/driverslicense/docs/Drivers%20Lic%20Sites.pdf

There are EIGHT locations that are open more than twice per month. There are EIGHT locations that are only open 1 day per month. Please explain to me how this makes it easier for ND residents to vote. It doesn’t, simple as that. And if you don’t have the proper paperwork on that one day per month?

Get the right paperwork on that ONE day of the month. ND isn’t asking you to invent cold fusion, they’re saying the right to vote is precious and they are going to protect it from fraud. So get your paperwork in order and go register.

The right to vote in the US is fundamental and it should be as easy as possible to be on the rolls. Not voting is a choice. One should not be purged for not voting. Agree?

Disagree. Purge purge purge. The dead shouldn’t be voting. Not even in Chicago.

They don’t. The double voters and dead voters in 2016 were all Republicans voting for Trump.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a Liberal and I want everyone to be given an ID that could be used for voting if you don’t have a drivers license or state ID card, or a passport. I think it would be a great thing for society. However:
1) if you don’t already have an ID, chances are you’re probably pretty poor on the margins of society. So the ID needs to be given for free.
2) voter ID’s are already free in some states, but the underlying documentation like a birth certificate isn’t free and can be difficult for people to get. So a person who doesn’t have that documentation needs to be provided with free legal aid to get it.
3) people need to be able to get it at the places they usually frequent in their own neighborhoods - like grocery stores, churches, K-12 schools and universities, etc. No making inner-city granny or single mom spend their whole day taking 3 buses across town to get to a DMV that’s only open 9-5 during the week. They need to be able to get these ID’s printed at local places.

And this is why IDs are inherently discriminatory (and I know you already know these points):
1) they’re not free
2) birth certificates or other proof can be difficult to get
3) the GOP makes sure to close these reachable offices for maximum difficulty

https://www.dot.nd.gov/divisions/driverslicense/docs/Drivers%20Lic%20Sites.pdf

There are EIGHT locations that are open more than twice per month. There are EIGHT locations that are only open 1 day per month. Please explain to me how this makes it easier for ND residents to vote. It doesn’t, simple as that. And if you don’t have the proper paperwork on that one day per month?

Get the right paperwork on that ONE day of the month. ND isn’t asking you to invent cold fusion, they’re saying the right to vote is precious and they are going to protect it from fraud. So get your paperwork in order and go register.

The right to vote in the US is fundamental and it should be as easy as possible to be on the rolls. Not voting is a choice. One should not be purged for not voting. Agree?

Disagree. Purge purge purge. The dead shouldn’t be voting. Not even in Chicago.

They don’t. The double voters and dead voters in 2016 were all Republicans voting for Trump.

Funny how that turned out, huh?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why aren't these same people complaining about all the other things in ordinary life that require presenting ID?

How come no one is protesting showing ID to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Or prescription meds? Or to receive govt benefits?

How is it the *only* thing people get outraged about having to show ID for, is *voting*? Being required to show ID for all the other stuff is fine with them.

It really is a magical contradiction, isn't it?

Are those things enshrined in our constitution as a right?

Nah they're just required for daily life.

Same i might add for buying a house, visiting the social security office, applying for most government benefits, cashing checks, western union, and establishing a bank account.

You forgot the part about how you have to show ID to buy groceries.

[Anonymous]

In what country(ies) can you vote in a state or federal election without a government-issued ID?
Please tell me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In what country(ies) can you vote in a state or federal election without a government-issued ID?
Please tell me.

Australia is on example of no ID required. Most countries that require voter ID also have a national voter database. Many people have voiced support for a national voter database in the US. I know I’ve posted at least twice on DCUM to support it in just the last month. Do you agree that’s what we should do? It ensures only eligible voters can vote, it is a national system so more protected against interference, it is less susceptible to voter suppression like we see in many states and localities, and it has the support of the federal govt so we can ensure everyone has a fair opportunity to get the ID. Sounds great, right? Let’s hear any legitimate reasons Republicans oppose it.

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Again, there are many people who never do those things for any number of reasons: they may have a spouse or family member who does most of the logistics of their lives, and they may not have adequate transportation themselves. Many people are dependent on a family member but this does not mean that they should not be allowed to vote.

No. There are not "many people" like this.

You don't get out much. Yes, yes there are.

And why would the Supreme Court say that native americans in North Dakota cannot use PO boxes, common in rural areas, for their voter registrations? That is totally discriminatory.

It was stated they could use a common address. People in rural areas have addresses but no mail service.

Most people in rural areas do have mail service but as I understand it this is not the case on the reservations. The ND had been under an injunction by a federal judge since 2016 until the Supreme Court upheld it a couple of weeks ago. This changed the rules in ND since the injunction was in place during the primaries; this came up during arguments. The reservations are scrambling to implement a system and get IDs out in a very short period of time.

People who yammer about dead voters fail to realize that just because a deceased person has not been removed from registration rolls has nothing to do with whether that person's identity is actually used to vote. Presumably there would be a way to confirm whether that has occurred or how often.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In what country(ies) can you vote in a state or federal election without a government-issued ID?
Please tell me.

Can we look to other countries to emulate in other ways, too? Like gun laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a Liberal and I want everyone to be given an ID that could be used for voting if you don’t have a drivers license or state ID card, or a passport. I think it would be a great thing for society. However:
1) if you don’t already have an ID, chances are you’re probably pretty poor on the margins of society. So the ID needs to be given for free.
2) voter ID’s are already free in some states, but the underlying documentation like a birth certificate isn’t free and can be difficult for people to get. So a person who doesn’t have that documentation needs to be provided with free legal aid to get it.
3) people need to be able to get it at the places they usually frequent in their own neighborhoods - like grocery stores, churches, K-12 schools and universities, etc. No making inner-city granny or single mom spend their whole day taking 3 buses across town to get to a DMV that’s only open 9-5 during the week. They need to be able to get these ID’s printed at local places.

And this is why IDs are inherently discriminatory (and I know you already know these points):
1) they’re not free
2) birth certificates or other proof can be difficult to get
3) the GOP makes sure to close these reachable offices for maximum difficulty

https://www.dot.nd.gov/divisions/driverslicense/docs/Drivers%20Lic%20Sites.pdf

There are EIGHT locations that are open more than twice per month. There are EIGHT locations that are only open 1 day per month. Please explain to me how this makes it easier for ND residents to vote. It doesn’t, simple as that. And if you don’t have the proper paperwork on that one day per month?

Get the right paperwork on that ONE day of the month. ND isn’t asking you to invent cold fusion, they’re saying the right to vote is precious and they are going to protect it from fraud. So get your paperwork in order and go register.

Listen to yourself.

The right to vote is so precious, which means ND should be doing what they can to ensure everyone who is eligible can vote. If you suppress 5000 people's votes in order to prevent one fraudulent vote that is NOT protecting the right to vote. It is not and there is no way you can convince me that is a fair trade off. If it were you being stopped at the polls and told you couldn't vote because some clerk somewhere wrote your name down incorrectly as Elise instead of Elisa, would you take it lying down? If you were told your address was no longer valid in their system, would you take it lying down? Would you say thank god they prevented one person from voting illegally? I don't think so.

[Anonymous]

Kansas just moved the one polling place for Dodge City to outside the town limits, at a location that is more than a mile away from the nearest bus stop.

Dodge City is a majority minority town. With one polling place for 27,000 residents.

https://www.kansas.com/news/state/article220286260.html?fbclid=IwAR28n-3R4f0TSrdIw2rXgINiqXCY1eJSp_ozdxiXt6rIpLOp0wgSoCFK26E

[Anonymous]

Let's face it. Repubicans are happy with low voter turnout. They are. No one on here can convince me that Republicans and conservatives really like high rates of voter turnout. They know that's bad news for them and they'll do everything they can to make sure it doesn't happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kansas just moved the one polling place for Dodge City to outside the town limits, at a location that is more than a mile away from the nearest bus stop.

Dodge City is a majority minority town. With one polling place for 27,000 residents.

https://www.kansas.com/news/state/article220286260.html?fbclid=IwAR28n-3R4f0TSrdIw2rXgINiqXCY1eJSp_ozdxiXt6rIpLOp0wgSoCFK26E

WOW. Despicable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In what country(ies) can you vote in a state or federal election without a government-issued ID?
Please tell me.

Australia is on example of no ID required. Most countries that require voter ID also have a national voter database. Many people have voiced support for a national voter database in the US. I know I’ve posted at least twice on DCUM to support it in just the last month. Do you agree that’s what we should do? It ensures only eligible voters can vote, it is a national system so more protected against interference, it is less susceptible to voter suppression like we see in many states and localities, and it has the support of the federal govt so we can ensure everyone has a fair opportunity to get the ID. Sounds great, right? Let’s hear any legitimate reasons Republicans oppose it.

https://thedailydemocracy.org/2017/04/24/its-here-republican-bill-would-create-national-voter-id-law/
A Republican is proposing one.

It tends to be Democrats who are against voter IDs, fwiw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In what country(ies) can you vote in a state or federal election without a government-issued ID?
Please tell me.

Australia is on example of no ID required. Most countries that require voter ID also have a national voter database. Many people have voiced support for a national voter database in the US. I know I’ve posted at least twice on DCUM to support it in just the last month. Do you agree that’s what we should do? It ensures only eligible voters can vote, it is a national system so more protected against interference, it is less susceptible to voter suppression like we see in many states and localities, and it has the support of the federal govt so we can ensure everyone has a fair opportunity to get the ID. Sounds great, right? Let’s hear any legitimate reasons Republicans oppose it.

https://thedailydemocracy.org/2017/04/24/its-here-republican-bill-would-create-national-voter-id-law/
A Republican is proposing one.

It tends to be Democrats who are against voter IDs, fwiw.

We’re against voter IDs because a) there’s not that much voter fraud - and it’s usually GOPpers who are doing it b) there’s no uniformity or common sense in what’s acceptable c) the way they’re implemented is almost always the most racist, precision targeted tool to block Democratic voters. Every time.

The GOP only wins by cheating. Gerrymandering. Voter suppression. Treason. And you goppers have to admit you’re okay with denying people their right to vote, because that’s what you keep supporting. GOP voters are a bunch of ignorant and dirty cheaters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In what country(ies) can you vote in a state or federal election without a government-issued ID?
Please tell me.

Australia is on example of no ID required. Most countries that require voter ID also have a national voter database. Many people have voiced support for a national voter database in the US. I know I’ve posted at least twice on DCUM to support it in just the last month. Do you agree that’s what we should do? It ensures only eligible voters can vote, it is a national system so more protected against interference, it is less susceptible to voter suppression like we see in many states and localities, and it has the support of the federal govt so we can ensure everyone has a fair opportunity to get the ID. Sounds great, right? Let’s hear any legitimate reasons Republicans oppose it.

What's a national voter database?

Does that mean it auto-votes for people along party-lines as long as they signed up once in their lives?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In what country(ies) can you vote in a state or federal election without a government-issued ID?
Please tell me.

Australia is on example of no ID required. Most countries that require voter ID also have a national voter database. Many people have voiced support for a national voter database in the US. I know I’ve posted at least twice on DCUM to support it in just the last month. Do you agree that’s what we should do? It ensures only eligible voters can vote, it is a national system so more protected against interference, it is less susceptible to voter suppression like we see in many states and localities, and it has the support of the federal govt so we can ensure everyone has a fair opportunity to get the ID. Sounds great, right? Let’s hear any legitimate reasons Republicans oppose it.

https://thedailydemocracy.org/2017/04/24/its-here-republican-bill-would-create-national-voter-id-law/
A Republican is proposing one.

It tends to be Democrats who are against voter IDs, fwiw.

We’re against voter IDs because a) there’s not that much voter fraud - and it’s usually GOPpers who are doing it b) there’s no uniformity or common sense in what’s acceptable c) the way they’re implemented is almost always the most racist, precision targeted tool to block Democratic voters. Every time.

The GOP only wins by cheating. Gerrymandering. Voter suppression. Treason. And you goppers have to admit you’re okay with denying people their right to vote, because that’s what you keep supporting. GOP voters are a bunch of ignorant and dirty cheaters.

hahaha. someone is really drinking the kool-aid.