Voter suppression

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Anonymous wrote:Why aren't these same people complaining about all the other things in ordinary life that require presenting ID?

How come no one is protesting showing ID to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Or prescription meds? Or to receive govt benefits?

How is it the *only* thing people get outraged about having to show ID for, is *voting*? Being required to show ID for all the other stuff is fine with them.

It really is a magical contradiction, isn't it?


Are those things enshrined in our constitution as a right?


Just like free speech and gun ownership has responsibilities attached to them, so does voting.


The responsibility is to go vote. It's not for one group of citizens to do what they can to make it harder for other citizens to vote.



Sure. To go vote, multiple times, under various previously-registered names! Enabled by not having to show an ID proving who you are.

If I wanted to, I could complete a half dozen (or more... many, many more) voter registration forms under made-up names, or names of dead people, and then on election day go and vote as each of those people, with only my mouth as my proof of being who I am. Or even easier, just request absentee ballots for each and vote that way.


It republicans were doing this, democrats would be marching with pitchforks on their local boards of election demanding voter ID.


Maybe that's what needs to happen.


But Democrats are NOT doing this. So why are you trying to disenfranchise people? It seems to me that you hate the Constitution.



Ok, then let's play Devil's Advocate....

Shouldn't you WANT a voter ID law to prevent this "GOProjection"?!?!

I mean, if you think Republicans are ALREADY doing this, why wouldn't you want to stop it?!?!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why aren't these same people complaining about all the other things in ordinary life that require presenting ID?

How come no one is protesting showing ID to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Or prescription meds? Or to receive govt benefits?

How is it the *only* thing people get outraged about having to show ID for, is *voting*? Being required to show ID for all the other stuff is fine with them.

It really is a magical contradiction, isn't it?


Are those things enshrined in our constitution as a right?


Just like free speech and gun ownership has responsibilities attached to them, so does voting.


The responsibility is to go vote. It's not for one group of citizens to do what they can to make it harder for other citizens to vote.



Sure. To go vote, multiple times, under various previously-registered names! Enabled by not having to show an ID proving who you are.

If I wanted to, I could complete a half dozen (or more... many, many more) voter registration forms under made-up names, or names of dead people, and then on election day go and vote as each of those people, with only my mouth as my proof of being who I am. Or even easier, just request absentee ballots for each and vote that way.

It republicans were doing this, democrats would be marching with pitchforks on their local boards of election demanding voter ID.

Maybe that's what needs to happen.


Go do that and let us know what happens. It's pretty obvious you've been thinking for a long time about how to get away with it #GOPprojection



If that's the case, if it's projection, then that's all the more reason you should be in favor of stopping it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why aren't these same people complaining about all the other things in ordinary life that require presenting ID?

How come no one is protesting showing ID to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Or prescription meds? Or to receive govt benefits?

How is it the *only* thing people get outraged about having to show ID for, is *voting*? Being required to show ID for all the other stuff is fine with them.

It really is a magical contradiction, isn't it?


Are those things enshrined in our constitution as a right?


Just like free speech and gun ownership has responsibilities attached to them, so does voting.


The responsibility is to go vote. It's not for one group of citizens to do what they can to make it harder for other citizens to vote.


That's like saying that the responsibility of gun owners is to go shoot guns. For practice, maybe. But this is absolutely not all of their responsibility. They have a responsibility to follow gun laws, ensure the safe keeping of their guns, and to exercise all due caution in the handling of their guns.

The responsibility of a voter includes ensuring that he/she follow voting laws to remain eligible to vote.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why aren't these same people complaining about all the other things in ordinary life that require presenting ID?

How come no one is protesting showing ID to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Or prescription meds? Or to receive govt benefits?

How is it the *only* thing people get outraged about having to show ID for, is *voting*? Being required to show ID for all the other stuff is fine with them.

It really is a magical contradiction, isn't it?


Are those things enshrined in our constitution as a right?


Just like free speech and gun ownership has responsibilities attached to them, so does voting.


The responsibility is to go vote. It's not for one group of citizens to do what they can to make it harder for other citizens to vote.



Sure. To go vote, multiple times, under various previously-registered names! Enabled by not having to show an ID proving who you are.

If I wanted to, I could complete a half dozen (or more... many, many more) voter registration forms under made-up names, or names of dead people, and then on election day go and vote as each of those people, with only my mouth as my proof of being who I am. Or even easier, just request absentee ballots for each and vote that way.


It republicans were doing this, democrats would be marching with pitchforks on their local boards of election demanding voter ID.


Maybe that's what needs to happen.


But Democrats are NOT doing this. So why are you trying to disenfranchise people? It seems to me that you hate the Constitution.



Ok, then let's play Devil's Advocate....

Shouldn't you WANT a voter ID law to prevent this "GOProjection"?!?!

I mean, if you think Republicans are ALREADY doing this, why wouldn't you want to stop it?!?!


If your voter id laws and policies regarding times and places people can register and times and places people can vote are keeping hundreds and even thousands of people from voting while only preventing one fraudent vote, do you consider that a victory? Of course you do, you're a Republican.

Republicans know that the only way they can win is to gerrymander and keep voting numbers down. The higher the voter turnout, the worse Republicans do. That's why they try to keep turnout low.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why aren't these same people complaining about all the other things in ordinary life that require presenting ID?

How come no one is protesting showing ID to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Or prescription meds? Or to receive govt benefits?

How is it the *only* thing people get outraged about having to show ID for, is *voting*? Being required to show ID for all the other stuff is fine with them.

It really is a magical contradiction, isn't it?


Are those things enshrined in our constitution as a right?


Just like free speech and gun ownership has responsibilities attached to them, so does voting.


The responsibility is to go vote. It's not for one group of citizens to do what they can to make it harder for other citizens to vote.



Sure. To go vote, multiple times, under various previously-registered names! Enabled by not having to show an ID proving who you are.

If I wanted to, I could complete a half dozen (or more... many, many more) voter registration forms under made-up names, or names of dead people, and then on election day go and vote as each of those people, with only my mouth as my proof of being who I am. Or even easier, just request absentee ballots for each and vote that way.


It republicans were doing this, democrats would be marching with pitchforks on their local boards of election demanding voter ID.


Maybe that's what needs to happen.


But Democrats are NOT doing this. So why are you trying to disenfranchise people? It seems to me that you hate the Constitution.



Ok, then let's play Devil's Advocate....

Shouldn't you WANT a voter ID law to prevent this "GOProjection"?!?!

I mean, if you think Republicans are ALREADY doing this, why wouldn't you want to stop it?!?!


DP. If at some point there isn’t reliable evidence people are doing this in anything approaching meaningful numbers, then I’m open to a discussion about voter id laws.’but I’m not going to support laws hat we know makes it harder for lawful citizens to exercise their right to vote based on the possibility that maybe at some point someone will abuse the system without the system managing to catch it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why aren't these same people complaining about all the other things in ordinary life that require presenting ID?

How come no one is protesting showing ID to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Or prescription meds? Or to receive govt benefits?

How is it the *only* thing people get outraged about having to show ID for, is *voting*? Being required to show ID for all the other stuff is fine with them.

It really is a magical contradiction, isn't it?


Are those things enshrined in our constitution as a right?


Just like free speech and gun ownership has responsibilities attached to them, so does voting.


The responsibility is to go vote. It's not for one group of citizens to do what they can to make it harder for other citizens to vote.


That's like saying that the responsibility of gun owners is to go shoot guns. For practice, maybe. But this is absolutely not all of their responsibility. They have a responsibility to follow gun laws, ensure the safe keeping of their guns, and to exercise all due caution in the handling of their guns.

The responsibility of a voter includes ensuring that he/she follow voting laws to remain eligible to vote.


How do you ensure you're eligible to vote? Are you a non-incarcerated citizen 18 or older? Check. Yep, you're eligible.

--signed, the Constitution
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why aren't these same people complaining about all the other things in ordinary life that require presenting ID?

How come no one is protesting showing ID to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Or prescription meds? Or to receive govt benefits?

How is it the *only* thing people get outraged about having to show ID for, is *voting*? Being required to show ID for all the other stuff is fine with them.

It really is a magical contradiction, isn't it?


Are those things enshrined in our constitution as a right?


Just like free speech and gun ownership has responsibilities attached to them, so does voting.


The responsibility is to go vote. It's not for one group of citizens to do what they can to make it harder for other citizens to vote.



Sure. To go vote, multiple times, under various previously-registered names! Enabled by not having to show an ID proving who you are.

If I wanted to, I could complete a half dozen (or more... many, many more) voter registration forms under made-up names, or names of dead people, and then on election day go and vote as each of those people, with only my mouth as my proof of being who I am. Or even easier, just request absentee ballots for each and vote that way.


It republicans were doing this, democrats would be marching with pitchforks on their local boards of election demanding voter ID.


Maybe that's what needs to happen.


But Democrats are NOT doing this. So why are you trying to disenfranchise people? It seems to me that you hate the Constitution.



Ok, then let's play Devil's Advocate....

Shouldn't you WANT a voter ID law to prevent this "GOProjection"?!?!

I mean, if you think Republicans are ALREADY doing this, why wouldn't you want to stop it?!?!


DP. If at some point there isn’t reliable evidence people are doing this in anything approaching meaningful numbers, then I’m open to a discussion about voter id laws.’but I’m not going to support laws hat we know makes it harder for lawful citizens to exercise their right to vote based on the possibility that maybe at some point someone will abuse the system without the system managing to catch it.


And here I thought Republicans always railed against "unnecessary laws" and "burdensome regulations" lol

This guy is a kook. We get it - Republicans lose when the people come out to vote and turnout is high.
Anonymous
And turnout is high in part because of fraudulent voting.

You can insult me, but that speaks to your character, not mine.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why aren't these same people complaining about all the other things in ordinary life that require presenting ID?

How come no one is protesting showing ID to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Or prescription meds? Or to receive govt benefits?

How is it the *only* thing people get outraged about having to show ID for, is *voting*? Being required to show ID for all the other stuff is fine with them.

It really is a magical contradiction, isn't it?


Are those things enshrined in our constitution as a right?


Just like free speech and gun ownership has responsibilities attached to them, so does voting.


The responsibility is to go vote. It's not for one group of citizens to do what they can to make it harder for other citizens to vote.


That's like saying that the responsibility of gun owners is to go shoot guns. For practice, maybe. But this is absolutely not all of their responsibility. They have a responsibility to follow gun laws, ensure the safe keeping of their guns, and to exercise all due caution in the handling of their guns.

The responsibility of a voter includes ensuring that he/she follow voting laws to remain eligible to vote.


How do you ensure you're eligible to vote? Are you a non-incarcerated citizen 18 or older? Check. Yep, you're eligible.

--signed, the Constitution



Pardon me, Maddam Constitution? A question for you:

You guarantee me, a Citizen, the right to own arms, then? And you take an equally free interpretation with the Second Amendment as you do the First, yes?

Awesome!!! Thanks for recognizing that you recognize my right to own a machine gun!!!!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:And turnout is high in part because of fraudulent voting.

You can insult me, but that speaks to your character, not mine.


Prove it, sucker.

Here's a hint: you can't prove it exists. Even your wonderboy, Kobach, got his ass handed to him for lying to the courts and making fake accusation.

Hold on, there's a word you have for that: FAKE NEWS.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why aren't these same people complaining about all the other things in ordinary life that require presenting ID?

How come no one is protesting showing ID to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Or prescription meds? Or to receive govt benefits?

How is it the *only* thing people get outraged about having to show ID for, is *voting*? Being required to show ID for all the other stuff is fine with them.

It really is a magical contradiction, isn't it?


Are those things enshrined in our constitution as a right?


Just like free speech and gun ownership has responsibilities attached to them, so does voting.


The responsibility is to go vote. It's not for one group of citizens to do what they can to make it harder for other citizens to vote.


That's like saying that the responsibility of gun owners is to go shoot guns. For practice, maybe. But this is absolutely not all of their responsibility. They have a responsibility to follow gun laws, ensure the safe keeping of their guns, and to exercise all due caution in the handling of their guns.

The responsibility of a voter includes ensuring that he/she follow voting laws to remain eligible to vote.


How do you ensure you're eligible to vote? Are you a non-incarcerated citizen 18 or older? Check. Yep, you're eligible.

--signed, the Constitution


You also have to register to vote, and keep the registration current.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And turnout is high in part because of fraudulent voting.

You can insult me, but that speaks to your character, not mine.


Prove it, sucker.

Here's a hint: you can't prove it exists. Even your wonderboy, Kobach, got his ass handed to him for lying to the courts and making fake accusation.

Hold on, there's a word you have for that: FAKE NEWS.



search terms: "VOTE-Harrisonburg, arrested, dead people registered to vote"

Go away and stew in anger now




Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And turnout is high in part because of fraudulent voting.

You can insult me, but that speaks to your character, not mine.


Prove it, sucker.

Here's a hint: you can't prove it exists. Even your wonderboy, Kobach, got his ass handed to him for lying to the courts and making fake accusation.

Hold on, there's a word you have for that: FAKE NEWS.


What is it with you and calling people names?

You're aware you're violating forum rules by calling people names, right?

I think you need a time-out.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why aren't these same people complaining about all the other things in ordinary life that require presenting ID?

How come no one is protesting showing ID to buy alcohol or cigarettes? Or prescription meds? Or to receive govt benefits?

How is it the *only* thing people get outraged about having to show ID for, is *voting*? Being required to show ID for all the other stuff is fine with them.

It really is a magical contradiction, isn't it?


Are those things enshrined in our constitution as a right?


Just like free speech and gun ownership has responsibilities attached to them, so does voting.


The responsibility is to go vote. It's not for one group of citizens to do what they can to make it harder for other citizens to vote.


That's like saying that the responsibility of gun owners is to go shoot guns. For practice, maybe. But this is absolutely not all of their responsibility. They have a responsibility to follow gun laws, ensure the safe keeping of their guns, and to exercise all due caution in the handling of their guns.

The responsibility of a voter includes ensuring that he/she follow voting laws to remain eligible to vote.


When someone registers to vote and votes sporadically, the state should not just remove them. It raises a barrier to re-register, particularly when the registration process is altered and is cumbersome. For example, some counties have a central registration location that may only be accessible via car. As another example, the Florida online registration system was down all weekend. How is that fair?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:And turnout is high in part because of fraudulent voting.

You can insult me, but that speaks to your character, not mine.


There is simply no proof of this. None.
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