Kavanaugh vote postponed. Judiciary Committee hearing on Sexual Assault complain Monday.

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Anonymous wrote:This means the republicans are very confident about Kavanaugh't denial.

They may know the woman is lying.

Or they’re hoping against hope no more victims emerge.

There’s already chatter about additional people.

Links? Sources? Didn't think so.

There certainly have been many rumors today. Wait and see. Quite a few posters here yesterday were insisting Professor Ford would not go public.

To bad she didn't go public years ago, when there could have been a full investigation, either implicating him or clearing his name.

Indeed, well too bad people slander and drag accusers through the mud, slut shame them, ask about what they were wearing and whether they were drinking, suggest they had it coming or deserved it, suggest they encouraged it, suggest they just wanted sex and then changed their minds afterward, to name a few. Once that changes maybe more will come forward at the time of their attacks.

Well, certainly, victims - or alleged victims - would be more believable if they would report assault immediately rather than waiting decades and expecting to be believed without any corroborating evidence. I've been teaching my daughter that if she is ever assaulted, she *must* report it immediately if we hope to get justice. Waiting only makes it that much less credible within the justice system. Sorry you don't like hearing the truth.

I’m sorry that reality is that even reporting it at the time is no guarantee of credibility or of decent treatment. I know you and I would old in which that’s the case, but that’s not reality now and it certainly wasnt a reality for attempted rapes by well off men back then. You’ve seen how they rake even credible claims made contemporarily over the coals. I mean this with kindness, but I think that you are imaging that reporting right away gives women power and respect because you have a daughter, and your heart is on the outside of your body. You know how vulnerable women are in some senses. “Behaving” is no guarantee of not getting raped, and it is a fact of rape culture that the girl is always blamed.

That is why so many of us default to believing the victim. Of taking her claims seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading through some of these posts and reminded that A) misogyny is alive and well in this country and B) victims of sexual assault are incredibly brave to speak out against their attackers. The way some of the PPs have attacked this woman and attempted to discredit her is really gross.

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Reading through some of these posts and reminded that A) feelings of jealousy and hatred of men are alive and well by many on this thread and B) victims of sexual assault accusations (not convictions) are incredibly brave to try to defend themselves against their attackers. The way some of the PPs have attacked this man (Kavanaugh) and attempted to discredit and convict him via one woman's accusations of attempted rape and suffocation after 30+ years is really gross.

MRA! MRA! MAGA!

How many victims will it take for you to believe, pp?

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Anonymous wrote:This means the republicans are very confident about Kavanaugh't denial.

They may know the woman is lying.

Or that the public pressure/GOP-Dem pressure behind closed doors is more than it seems.

Or that they don't give a shit and know that no matter what comes out in any hearing, Kavanaugh will be confirmed.

I don't think that's right. If that was the case they would have pushed through the vote. This took them by surprise. I think some combination of Sasse, Corker, Flake, Murkowski and Collins threatened defection without a hearing and all red state Democrats said no yes without a hearing.

They're counting on her not being credible because this is really stupid if they have any intention of confirming K. A public testimony of this assault will only make it more difficult to confirm him. Watching a woman publicly verbally describe an assault will be worse than reading it.

I think they picked Monday because they think that's enough time to dig up dirt but honestly the Republicans are stupid. If they wanted to seal this up before midterms they should have either forced a vote this week or cut K loose and go for another nominee.

Republicans CAN’T cut K loose. Trump nominated him. Only Trump can pull the nomination. And TRump always, always, always, always fights back no matter what. They have to vote him down (pissed Trump base) or vote him forward (pissed women). It is lose-lose. Mitch McTurtle didn’t want K to begin with. Right now, he would do anything in his power to make him go away.

I think that there are quite a few R Senators who hope more women come forward and this nomination becomes untenable. Because they are cowards and don’t want to have to vote.

PP, you do not even have the most basic idea how government works. No one can make Trump withdraw Kavanaugh, but no one can make the Senate give him a vote.

McConnell wants, more than anything, to keep the Senate in Republican hands. If he senses that confirming Kavanaugh in the face of these allegations will turn off voters, he will simply not schedule a vote.

Without a vote, Kavanaugh would withdraw himself in order to regain some semblance of normal life.

Kavanaugh will never again have any semblance of a normal life; nor will his family. This allegation - whether true or false - has instantly turned him into a pariah.

Many high profile types recently ousted by MeToo allegations are slowly creeping back into the spotlight. Even if Kavanaugh doesn’t get confirmed, he will likely retain his current position, feel a little local heat, then be back to normal.

Sorry, but if this accusation is false, he will never again be "back to normal." I imagine his daughters are already being mocked and bullied, by having a "rapist" as a dad - as I'm sure many parents in this area are telling their kids. He's a marked man. At this point, doesn't matter if he did it or not - most of you have already decided he's guilty. It's sickening.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for the hearing and airing this matter. I expect the woman thinks she is right but is in fact confused on the details of the incident including the people involved.

The GOP: when you just can’t help but vilify women.

NP. How are these accusations fair to Judge Kavanaugh’s wife and daughters?

What is fair or unfair? He chose to accept a nomination knowing that this allegation was going to surface. Rumors are, there are others. Maybe his wife will be able to teach a lesson to the daughters, whom he used a props at his hearing. THAT was gross at the time and even worse in retrospect.

And his girls basketball team. If that were my daughter, I would be flipping my lid right now.

Clearly the judge is an unfit father and social services needs to step in

I know you're being facetious, PP - but the sad thing is that so many of these nutty liberals actually believe that. And are probably telling their children not to play with his children, etc. Disgusting tactics.

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Anonymous wrote:How did he pay for not one, but two country club memberships?

How did he do all of those house renovations - without any permits?

THAT is illegal and dangerous, not only for his family, but for all of his neighbors. If there is a fauly gas or electrical connection and something catestrophic happens, HE is liable.

His wife is the town manager - who manages permits. As reported by the Post.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading through some of these posts and reminded that A) misogyny is alive and well in this country and B) victims of sexual assault are incredibly brave to speak out against their attackers. The way some of the PPs have attacked this woman and attempted to discredit her is really gross.

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Reading through some of these posts and reminded that A) feelings of jealousy and hatred of men are alive and well by many on this thread and B) victims of sexual assault accusations (not convictions) are incredibly brave to try to defend themselves against their attackers. The way some of the PPs have attacked this man (Kavanaugh) and attempted to discredit and convict him via one woman's accusations of attempted rape and suffocation after 30+ years is really gross.

MRA! MRA! MAGA!

How many victims will it take for you to believe, pp?

PP here. I"m female and not a Trump supporter; but I think it's wrong to accuse, condemn, and "convict" anyone of crimes as serious as attempted rape and suffocation (i.e., murder) based on one person's uncorroborated accusation after 30+ years.

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Anonymous wrote:She didn't even tell his name to the therapist.

This story just does not ring true.

Would you believe it if there were pics? No, I didn't think so. Because you think women are dirt.

Also why you're so eager to confirm a man hell-bent on repealing women's reproductive rights.

You saw the Franken photos and still don't believe it.

Because I can see shadows. Can you?

I wonder if the number of victims will exceed your personal threshold for trashing victims, or if 20 could come out including one of the girls he coaches and you guys will still smear them. There really seems to be no bottom.

No one’s saying to string him up. We’re saying investigate it and if he’s guilty, he doesn’t deserve a place on the court.

DP. Actually, that's exactly what you're saying and exactly what you'd do, were it left up to you (which thankfully, it's not). You'd love to see this guy stoned in a public square. It's really unbelievable.

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Anonymous wrote:This means the republicans are very confident about Kavanaugh't denial.

They may know the woman is lying.

Or that the public pressure/GOP-Dem pressure behind closed doors is more than it seems.

Or that they don't give a shit and know that no matter what comes out in any hearing, Kavanaugh will be confirmed.

I don't think that's right. If that was the case they would have pushed through the vote. This took them by surprise. I think some combination of Sasse, Corker, Flake, Murkowski and Collins threatened defection without a hearing and all red state Democrats said no yes without a hearing.

They're counting on her not being credible because this is really stupid if they have any intention of confirming K. A public testimony of this assault will only make it more difficult to confirm him. Watching a woman publicly verbally describe an assault will be worse than reading it.

I think they picked Monday because they think that's enough time to dig up dirt but honestly the Republicans are stupid. If they wanted to seal this up before midterms they should have either forced a vote this week or cut K loose and go for another nominee.

Republicans CAN’T cut K loose. Trump nominated him. Only Trump can pull the nomination. And TRump always, always, always, always fights back no matter what. They have to vote him down (pissed Trump base) or vote him forward (pissed women). It is lose-lose. Mitch McTurtle didn’t want K to begin with. Right now, he would do anything in his power to make him go away.

I think that there are quite a few R Senators who hope more women come forward and this nomination becomes untenable. Because they are cowards and don’t want to have to vote.

PP, you do not even have the most basic idea how government works. No one can make Trump withdraw Kavanaugh, but no one can make the Senate give him a vote.

McConnell wants, more than anything, to keep the Senate in Republican hands. If he senses that confirming Kavanaugh in the face of these allegations will turn off voters, he will simply not schedule a vote.

Without a vote, Kavanaugh would withdraw himself in order to regain some semblance of normal life.

Kavanaugh will never again have any semblance of a normal life; nor will his family. This allegation - whether true or false - has instantly turned him into a pariah.

Many high profile types recently ousted by MeToo allegations are slowly creeping back into the spotlight. Even if Kavanaugh doesn’t get confirmed, he will likely retain his current position, feel a little local heat, then be back to normal.

Sorry, but if this accusation is false, he will never again be "back to normal." I imagine his daughters are already being mocked and bullied, by having a "rapist" as a dad - as I'm sure many parents in this area are telling their kids. He's a marked man. At this point, doesn't matter if he did it or not - most of you have already decided he's guilty. It's sickening.

+1 I agree with all you wrote.

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Anonymous wrote:She didn't even tell his name to the therapist.

This story just does not ring true.

Would you believe it if there were pics? No, I didn't think so. Because you think women are dirt.

Also why you're so eager to confirm a man hell-bent on repealing women's reproductive rights.

You saw the Franken photos and still don't believe it.

Last time I checked, Franken was sent home for being a naughty boy. Why isn't Brett being held to the same standar? Jim Jordon? Donald Trump?

Because, GOP.

How soon you forget, silly. Democrats led the charge to oust Franken. While some Republicans agreed, the vast majority of Dems decided he was just too immoral to remain in the Senate. Because of a stupid prank. You people are your own worst enemies.

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Anonymous wrote:She didn't even tell his name to the therapist.

This story just does not ring true.

Would you believe it if there were pics? No, I didn't think so. Because you think women are dirt.

Also why you're so eager to confirm a man hell-bent on repealing women's reproductive rights.

You saw the Franken photos and still don't believe it.

Because I can see shadows. Can you?

I wonder if the number of victims will exceed your personal threshold for trashing victims, or if 20 could come out including one of the girls he coaches and you guys will still smear them. There really seems to be no bottom.

No one’s saying to string him up. We’re saying investigate it and if he’s guilty, he doesn’t deserve a place on the court.

DP. Actually, that's exactly what you're saying and exactly what you'd do, were it left up to you (which thankfully, it's not). You'd love to see this guy stoned in a public square. It's really unbelievable.

+1 I read some of the comments on this thread and can hardly believe that intelligent, educated women could possibly think that way.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading through some of these posts and reminded that A) misogyny is alive and well in this country and B) victims of sexual assault are incredibly brave to speak out against their attackers. The way some of the PPs have attacked this woman and attempted to discredit her is really gross.

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Reading through some of these posts and reminded that A) feelings of jealousy and hatred of men are alive and well by many on this thread and B) victims of sexual assault accusations (not convictions) are incredibly brave to try to defend themselves against their attackers. The way some of the PPs have attacked this man (Kavanaugh) and attempted to discredit and convict him via one woman's accusations of attempted rape and suffocation after 30+ years is really gross.

So in your mind, women (and men) who defend the accuser’s right to be heard and not summarily dismissed and/or savaged and discredited equates to people who are jealous and hate men?

Okie dokie.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading through some of these posts and reminded that A) misogyny is alive and well in this country and B) victims of sexual assault are incredibly brave to speak out against their attackers. The way some of the PPs have attacked this woman and attempted to discredit her is really gross.

I could say exactly the same thing about those of you jumping on the bandwagon to condemn a man who has not been charged with any crime, nor found guilty of any assault. In your eyes, he was guilty the minute you read Ford's allegation. If I were ever accused of a crime, I'd be scared to death to have you liberals on my jury. Guilty until proven innocent, especially if one is a conservative male. That's the liberal way!

Conservative =/= Trumpkin.

But yes, Trumpkin males do seem incredibly okay with sexual assault.

To the liberals on this forum - and probably all over the U.S. - conservative is the enemy, to be destroyed at all costs. Don't try and pretend otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:She didn't even tell his name to the therapist.

This story just does not ring true.

Would you believe it if there were pics? No, I didn't think so. Because you think women are dirt.

Also why you're so eager to confirm a man hell-bent on repealing women's reproductive rights.

You saw the Franken photos and still don't believe it.

Last time I checked, Franken was sent home for being a naughty boy. Why isn't Brett being held to the same standar? Jim Jordon? Donald Trump?

Because, GOP.

After a huge HUGE liberal pushback and denial of actual physical evidence. Show me the photos of the incident and I'll hold Brett to the same standard.

+100

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Anonymous wrote:Kavanaugh was the republican hack for years, now he wants to be a boy scout, playing the "I don't know that woman" game?

Why god is laughing at Brett Kavanaugh

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/09/17/kavanaugh-supreme-court-ford-sexual-assault-219983

Democratic motive on full display in that article.

Exactly what I was going to say.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading through some of these posts and reminded that A) misogyny is alive and well in this country and B) victims of sexual assault are incredibly brave to speak out against their attackers. The way some of the PPs have attacked this woman and attempted to discredit her is really gross.

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Reading through some of these posts and reminded that A) feelings of jealousy and hatred of men are alive and well by many on this thread and B) victims of sexual assault accusations (not convictions) are incredibly brave to try to defend themselves against their attackers. The way some of the PPs have attacked this man (Kavanaugh) and attempted to discredit and convict him via one woman's accusations of attempted rape and suffocation after 30+ years is really gross.

MRA! MRA! MAGA!

How many victims will it take for you to believe, pp?

PP here. I"m female and not a Trump supporter; but I think it's wrong to accuse, condemn, and "convict" anyone of crimes as serious as attempted rape and suffocation (i.e., murder) based on one person's uncorroborated accusation after 30+ years.

Her accusation is corroborated. There are notes from her therapist on 2012, not to mention the polygraph. She also has a successful and very credible professional and personal track record. But it takes 50 women to corroborate accusations against one man, right?