The Serena cartoon — too much, too far?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Eh. Its satire just like cartoons are supposed to be.

+1.

There's millions more offensive cartoons about Jesus, Mohammad, Obama, Trump, the Pope..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly her reactions on court were so out of control. I was embarrassed for her and her family. She was clearly furious at herself that she was being showed up big time by a new younger powerhouse fresh and hungry for her first big win.

Serena owes every single spectator of tennis a big apology. There is nothing wrong with her message it was her delivery. She looked like an adult brat.

This x a million billion trillion, whatever that is

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly her reactions on court were so out of control. I was embarrassed for her and her family. She was clearly furious at herself that she was being showed up big time by a new younger powerhouse fresh and hungry for her first big win.

Serena owes every single spectator of tennis a big apology. There is nothing wrong with her message it was her delivery. She looked like an adult brat.

This x a million billion trillion, whatever that is

Wrong thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly her reactions on court were so out of control. I was embarrassed for her and her family. She was clearly furious at herself that she was being showed up big time by a new younger powerhouse fresh and hungry for her first big win.

Serena owes every single spectator of tennis a big apology. There is nothing wrong with her message it was her delivery. She looked like an adult brat.

Do you feel the same way about all the men that do the exact same thing and worse?

If so, why are you not posting you disgust for their actions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

One week earlier:

But did they award a lot of runs to the opposing team?

No, I didn't think so.

Women are "hysterical"/ should be punished vs. men "outspoken" get the team pumped up/ inspiring

[Anonymous]

Let’s keep this discussion about the cartoon! Otherwise, this thread will be locked and joined with the sports thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly her reactions on court were so out of control. I was embarrassed for her and her family. She was clearly furious at herself that she was being showed up big time by a new younger powerhouse fresh and hungry for her first big win.

Serena owes every single spectator of tennis a big apology. There is nothing wrong with her message it was her delivery. She looked like an adult brat.

Do you feel the same way about all the men that do the exact same thing and worse?

If so, why are you not posting you disgust for their actions?

Actually YES I have been outspoken about the obnoxious men who have done the same, it is appalling. However I honestly do not ever remember seeing any one man go on and on and on as she did. She was like a dog with a bone that simply would not let go.

Once, twice I would have been OK with "getting" that she was just furious with herself for being showed up like that with the star power that she has and the perhaps unfair expectations thrust upon her. However to see it go on 3, 4 5 times I lost count was inexcusable. Message or no message she was incredibly wrong and her emotions got the best of her in the most unflattering light imaginable. She shed a very unappealing light on tennis, sportsmanship and in fact women that day. Shame on her for taking away the ultimate thrill for the young Osaka. I think she owes a public apology.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly her reactions on court were so out of control. I was embarrassed for her and her family. She was clearly furious at herself that she was being showed up big time by a new younger powerhouse fresh and hungry for her first big win.

Serena owes every single spectator of tennis a big apology. There is nothing wrong with her message it was her delivery. She looked like an adult brat.

Do you feel the same way about all the men that do the exact same thing and worse?

If so, why are you not posting you disgust for their actions?

Actually YES I have been outspoken about the obnoxious men who have done the same, it is appalling. However I honestly do not ever remember seeing any one man go on and on and on as she did. She was like a dog with a bone that simply would not let go.

Once, twice I would have been OK with "getting" that she was just furious with herself for being showed up like that with the star power that she has and the perhaps unfair expectations thrust upon her. However to see it go on 3, 4 5 times I lost count was inexcusable. Message or no message she was incredibly wrong and her emotions got the best of her in the most unflattering light imaginable. She shed a very unappealing light on tennis, sportsmanship and in fact women that day. Shame on her for taking away the ultimate thrill for the young Osaka. I think she owes a public apology.

Talk about going on and on like a dog with a bone — it’s you! Go to the sports thread if you want to talk athletes, rules, other sports etc. Leave this tread in entertainment because of the published cartoon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Eh. Its satire just like cartoons are supposed to be.

+1.

There's millions more offensive cartoons about Jesus, Mohammad, Obama, Trump, the Pope..

Seriously. People that are offended by this cartoon should join the Taliban.....imbeciles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Eh. Its satire just like cartoons are supposed to be.

+1.

There's millions more offensive cartoons about Jesus, Mohammad, Obama, Trump, the Pope..

Seriously. People that are offended by this cartoon should join the Taliban.....imbeciles.

Deplorable really. SAD!

[Anonymous]

He made her look like an ape. Of course it was racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

One week earlier:

But did they award a lot of runs to the opposing team?

No, I didn't think so.

Women are "hysterical"/ should be punished vs. men "outspoken" get the team pumped up/ inspiring

Who said she's really a he?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's put the potential racist implications aside for a moment - for whatever reason that's all y'all wanna talk about - and examine something else...SEXISM.

Billie Jean King, a tennis legend and equal rights advocate tweeted...
"When a woman is emotional, she's "hysterical" and she's penalized for it. When a man does the same, he's "outspoken" & and there are no repercussions. Thank you, Serena Williams, for calling out this double standard. More voices are needed to do the same"

Anybody agree?

I agree with Billie Jean King. A true American Tennis Icon. Chris Everett Lloyd, who has never been a fan of Serena, said the same thing Billie Jean said.

[Anonymous]

That cartoon is so clearly racist I wonder at how much work people have to do to argue it's not.

Now, true, it's done by an Australian, so their history is not 100% exactly ours. But it's still racist as hell.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Loved the pacifier. Best part of the cartoon.

I don’t think the other woman in the cartoon is necessarily Osaka. I think it depicts a generic opponent because this is not the first (and possibly not the last) time Serena has had a melt down on the court.

I don’t think it is racist at all. It is a caricature and captured her features.

Stop. It is very racist, I don't see how anyone can miss that. Plenty of good posts above explaining the history of Jim Crow era depictions of people who are black.

And why, if you are drawing a cartoon immediately after a particular event, would you draw a generic opponent? That makes no sense in this context.

And the pacifier allows the artist to add misogyny to the racism by infantilzing his subject. Can't have adult women standing up for themselves and demanding fair treatment, now, can we?

Oh, please. Since when does “standing up for” herself include throwing and destroying a racquet and calling an umpire names?
This is a damn caricature - NOT a “Jim Crow era” cartoon.
And, why might this opponent be generic? Because Serena is known for her tantrums. It has happened before. This is a pattern.
And the pacifier is totally appropriate given she was acting like a toddler being told she couldn’t have something at the grocery store.

Standing up for herself, my A$$!

Dunce, caricatures can be in and of themselves cartoons. The cartoon was depicted in the same vein as the pre Jim Crow and Jim Crow era cartoons depicting Black people. Keep stretching your imagination.