Hollywood praising Tonya Harding

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Anonymous wrote:Wow pp...a lot of rage to go back and respond to all my posts individually! I knew all that about Kerrigan. Doesn't change my position but thanks for typing it out 5 times!

So... you know Kerrigan grew up poor and workingclass but it doesn't change your position that she grew up wealthy? Because it works better for your story? How does that work, exactly?

It's not rage, it's countering bullshit where it happens.

It was a comparison. I never said Kerrigan grew up with a silver spoon, but from all accounts she had a financially and emotionally stable happy childhood. I don't think she ever went hungry or had someone drunkenly throw something at her as a child. That is what I meant...and that is wealthy by comparison.

That's not what you said. You didn't say "better than Harding", which no one would argue with. You said "wealthy new england family" or something to that effect, and "wealthy" has a specific meaning. Kerrigan grew up workingclass. Her father was a welder. Her mom never worked.

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They hated her for all of those things before she chose to fight dirty. And that made hating her after much easier and more satisfying. She fought dirty because the country and her life had told her that the only person looking out for her was herself. And while what she did was wrong, she was right about that. No one was on Tonya's side except Tonya even BEFORE this happened.

You ask who she was representing at the Olympics and that shows a fundamental misunderstanding of people in her position. She was absolutely representing herself, her only chance. That gold medal wasn't for honor/glory, it was going to be freedom.

And once again I never said sympathy, I said empathy. They aren't the same thing.

What? The country has made her twice national champion. World medalist. Olympic medalist (which 4th place is considered to be). Do you realize how much free stuff, how many breaks, how many resources she has received from USFSA at that point? You think anyone makes it to these heights straight outta trailer park without massive infusion of support?

Stop with the sob story. Learn the facts.

But you seem to think someone can make it to those heights, be the first American woman to land a triple axle in competition, and be a lazy loser who didn't put in the work. Which is it?

It's the latter. The lazy loser. It's axel, btw.

Making it to these heights is one thing but staying there is quite another. Landing a triple axel, incidentally, doesn't automatically make one great, it just means you are a very talented jumper. Triple axels are still a rarity in competitive ladies' skating and no woman has risen to the podium exclusively because of the axel. There is so much more that a skater needs to be on top of her sport. More importantly, you simply do not NEED the triple axel to win.

Tonya received more help, financial and otherwise, from USFSA that she ever acknowledged. Even though no one in skating wanted to be around her for years before the attack, the judges gave her her due when she skated well. For instance, her 1991 Nationals win could have easily gone to Yamaguchi, who was also a talented jumper, and a more complete skater. But judges acknowledged Tonya's guts and she got the title. So please don't say "skating wasn't behind Tonya". It was. She received many breaks, and was a beneficiary of lots of free stuff, on account of her talent. She screwed it up all by herself.

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They hated her for all of those things before she chose to fight dirty. And that made hating her after much easier and more satisfying. She fought dirty because the country and her life had told her that the only person looking out for her was herself. And while what she did was wrong, she was right about that. No one was on Tonya's side except Tonya even BEFORE this happened.

You ask who she was representing at the Olympics and that shows a fundamental misunderstanding of people in her position. She was absolutely representing herself, her only chance. That gold medal wasn't for honor/glory, it was going to be freedom.

And once again I never said sympathy, I said empathy. They aren't the same thing.

What? The country has made her twice national champion. World medalist. Olympic medalist (which 4th place is considered to be). Do you realize how much free stuff, how many breaks, how many resources she has received from USFSA at that point? You think anyone makes it to these heights straight outta trailer park without massive infusion of support?

Stop with the sob story. Learn the facts.

But you seem to think someone can make it to those heights, be the first American woman to land a triple axle in competition, and be a lazy loser who didn't put in the work. Which is it?

It's the latter. The lazy loser. It's axel, btw.

Making it to these heights is one thing but staying there is quite another. Landing a triple axel, incidentally, doesn't automatically make one great, it just means you are a very talented jumper. Triple axels are still a rarity in competitive ladies' skating and no woman has risen to the podium exclusively because of the axel. There is so much more that a skater needs to be on top of her sport. More importantly, you simply do not NEED the triple axel to win.

Tonya received more help, financial and otherwise, from USFSA that she ever acknowledged. Even though no one in skating wanted to be around her for years before the attack, the judges gave her her due when she skated well. For instance, her 1991 Nationals win could have easily gone to Yamaguchi, who was also a talented jumper, and a more complete skater. But judges acknowledged Tonya's guts and she got the title. So please don't say "skating wasn't behind Tonya". It was. She received many breaks, and was a beneficiary of lots of free stuff, on account of her talent. She screwed it up all by herself.

She did stay at those heights. Two time Olympian!

And wtf your post is ridiculous. It shouldn't matter at all what Tonya was like, it shouldn't ever be about giving someone their due, it should be about how well you skated that day. By your own posts she was a decorated skater who had had a good career. You're contradicting yourself left and right.

What breaks food she receive? And not things that other usfsa does for all skaters at that level like travel expenses.

I retract my use of the word wealthy to describe Kerrigan's family, it doesn't get to what I was getting at.

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They hated her for all of those things before she chose to fight dirty. And that made hating her after much easier and more satisfying. She fought dirty because the country and her life had told her that the only person looking out for her was herself. And while what she did was wrong, she was right about that. No one was on Tonya's side except Tonya even BEFORE this happened.

You ask who she was representing at the Olympics and that shows a fundamental misunderstanding of people in her position. She was absolutely representing herself, her only chance. That gold medal wasn't for honor/glory, it was going to be freedom.

And once again I never said sympathy, I said empathy. They aren't the same thing.

What? The country has made her twice national champion. World medalist. Olympic medalist (which 4th place is considered to be). Do you realize how much free stuff, how many breaks, how many resources she has received from USFSA at that point? You think anyone makes it to these heights straight outta trailer park without massive infusion of support?

Stop with the sob story. Learn the facts.

But you seem to think someone can make it to those heights, be the first American woman to land a triple axle in competition, and be a lazy loser who didn't put in the work. Which is it?

It's the latter. The lazy loser. It's axel, btw.

Making it to these heights is one thing but staying there is quite another. Landing a triple axel, incidentally, doesn't automatically make one great, it just means you are a very talented jumper. Triple axels are still a rarity in competitive ladies' skating and no woman has risen to the podium exclusively because of the axel. There is so much more that a skater needs to be on top of her sport. More importantly, you simply do not NEED the triple axel to win.

Tonya received more help, financial and otherwise, from USFSA that she ever acknowledged. Even though no one in skating wanted to be around her for years before the attack, the judges gave her her due when she skated well. For instance, her 1991 Nationals win could have easily gone to Yamaguchi, who was also a talented jumper, and a more complete skater. But judges acknowledged Tonya's guts and she got the title. So please don't say "skating wasn't behind Tonya". It was. She received many breaks, and was a beneficiary of lots of free stuff, on account of her talent. She screwed it up all by herself.

She did stay at those heights. Two time Olympian!

And wtf your post is ridiculous. It shouldn't matter at all what Tonya was like, it shouldn't ever be about giving someone their due, it should be about how well you skated that day. By your own posts she was a decorated skater who had had a good career. You're contradicting yourself left and right.

What breaks food she receive? And not things that other usfsa does for all skaters at that level like travel expenses.

I retract my use of the word wealthy to describe Kerrigan's family, it doesn't get to what I was getting at.

If she was all that then she should have spoke the hell up when she "overheard" her goons talking about "taking out" the competition.

Everyone knows how those thugs knew what Kerrigan's practice schedule was at the time.

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You know how some people are going to love certain celebrities, no matter what?

Part of me will always love Tonya. I was 13 years old when she landed that triple axel at Nationals, and it was all over the news, and Dick Button was losing his mind with his commentary in the booth, and it was all amazing. I loved it, I loved her, and part of me will always root for scrappy little Tonya.

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Anonymous wrote:You know how some people are going to love certain celebrities, no matter what?

Part of me will always love Tonya. I was 13 years old when she landed that triple axel at Nationals, and it was all over the news, and Dick Button was losing his mind with his commentary in the booth, and it was all amazing. I loved it, I loved her, and part of me will always root for scrappy little Tonya.

I admire her scrappiness and skating skills, but Nancy could have been maimed for life.

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Anonymous wrote:You know how some people are going to love certain celebrities, no matter what?

Part of me will always love Tonya. I was 13 years old when she landed that triple axel at Nationals, and it was all over the news, and Dick Button was losing his mind with his commentary in the booth, and it was all amazing. I loved it, I loved her, and part of me will always root for scrappy little Tonya.

I admire her scrappiness and skating skills, but Nancy could have been maimed for life.

Yeah, but Tonya didn't bash her knee in, and I don't believe she knew anything until after the fact. That's not excusing her participation in a cover-up/obstruction of an investigation, I'm just saying. Bitch didn't hit nobody.

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Anonymous wrote:You know how some people are going to love certain celebrities, no matter what?

Part of me will always love Tonya. I was 13 years old when she landed that triple axel at Nationals, and it was all over the news, and Dick Button was losing his mind with his commentary in the booth, and it was all amazing. I loved it, I loved her, and part of me will always root for scrappy little Tonya.

I admire her scrappiness and skating skills, but Nancy could have been maimed for life.

She was underhanded and just plain mean. She was afraid that she wasn't going to make the team so she stood back and allowed her thugs to open up a spot or her. For a world class figure skater of all people to knowingly sit back and watch her friends try to break another skater's knee cap like that......that is just plain chilling. And now this poor pitiful, misunderstood, abused, "nobody liked me" crap. Barf.

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Anonymous wrote:You know how some people are going to love certain celebrities, no matter what?

Part of me will always love Tonya. I was 13 years old when she landed that triple axel at Nationals, and it was all over the news, and Dick Button was losing his mind with his commentary in the booth, and it was all amazing. I loved it, I loved her, and part of me will always root for scrappy little Tonya.

I admire her scrappiness and skating skills, but Nancy could have been maimed for life.

Yeah, but Tonya didn't bash her knee in, and I don't believe she knew anything until after the fact. That's not excusing her participation in a cover-up/obstruction of an investigation, I'm just saying. Bitch didn't hit nobody.

And she was punished. I'm with you pp. I was 9 in 1994 and remember the whole thing! I've always been a little bit team Tonya despite thinking that the Kerrigan scandal was wrong, I wish she'd have had more faith in herself.

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Anonymous wrote:You know how some people are going to love certain celebrities, no matter what?

Part of me will always love Tonya. I was 13 years old when she landed that triple axel at Nationals, and it was all over the news, and Dick Button was losing his mind with his commentary in the booth, and it was all amazing. I loved it, I loved her, and part of me will always root for scrappy little Tonya.

I admire her scrappiness and skating skills, but Nancy could have been maimed for life.

She was underhanded and just plain mean. She was afraid that she wasn't going to make the team so she stood back and allowed her thugs to open up a spot or her. For a world class figure skater of all people to knowingly sit back and watch her friends try to break another skater's knee cap like that......that is just plain chilling. And now this poor pitiful, misunderstood, abused, "nobody liked me" crap. Barf.

PP here. I'm with you.

[Anonymous]

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They hated her for all of those things before she chose to fight dirty. And that made hating her after much easier and more satisfying. She fought dirty because the country and her life had told her that the only person looking out for her was herself. And while what she did was wrong, she was right about that. No one was on Tonya's side except Tonya even BEFORE this happened.

You ask who she was representing at the Olympics and that shows a fundamental misunderstanding of people in her position. She was absolutely representing herself, her only chance. That gold medal wasn't for honor/glory, it was going to be freedom.

And once again I never said sympathy, I said empathy. They aren't the same thing.

What? The country has made her twice national champion. World medalist. Olympic medalist (which 4th place is considered to be). Do you realize how much free stuff, how many breaks, how many resources she has received from USFSA at that point? You think anyone makes it to these heights straight outta trailer park without massive infusion of support?

Stop with the sob story. Learn the facts.

You keep calling Harding an Olympic medalist. Your stupid is showing. They don’t give pewter medals to 4th place at the Olympics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know how some people are going to love certain celebrities, no matter what?

Part of me will always love Tonya. I was 13 years old when she landed that triple axel at Nationals, and it was all over the news, and Dick Button was losing his mind with his commentary in the booth, and it was all amazing. I loved it, I loved her, and part of me will always root for scrappy little Tonya.

I admire her scrappiness and skating skills, but Nancy could have been maimed for life.

She was underhanded and just plain mean. She was afraid that she wasn't going to make the team so she stood back and allowed her thugs to open up a spot or her. For a world class figure skater of all people to knowingly sit back and watch her friends try to break another skater's knee cap like that......that is just plain chilling. And now this poor pitiful, misunderstood, abused, "nobody liked me" crap. Barf.

It's amazing to me that people are still holding this much vitriol for a woman who did nothing to them personally but was involved in an assault more than 30 years ago.

And to reduce her life to 'nobody liked me'. To call someone lazy who left their abusive home every day to train as a kid. I mean what she did was ducked up no doubt but minimizing her life is also pretty ducked up

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know how some people are going to love certain celebrities, no matter what?

Part of me will always love Tonya. I was 13 years old when she landed that triple axel at Nationals, and it was all over the news, and Dick Button was losing his mind with his commentary in the booth, and it was all amazing. I loved it, I loved her, and part of me will always root for scrappy little Tonya.

I admire her scrappiness and skating skills, but Nancy could have been maimed for life.

She was underhanded and just plain mean. She was afraid that she wasn't going to make the team so she stood back and allowed her thugs to open up a spot or her. For a world class figure skater of all people to knowingly sit back and watch her friends try to break another skater's knee cap like that......that is just plain chilling. And now this poor pitiful, misunderstood, abused, "nobody liked me" crap. Barf.

PP here. I'm with you.

Um so are most people. Don't act like some cool little club that sees the truth. I've been a Tonya Harding apologist (I don't think this us quite the right word but I can't think of a better one, I think what she did was wrong) my whole life and universally people have looked at me askance and said I was crazy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know how some people are going to love certain celebrities, no matter what?

Part of me will always love Tonya. I was 13 years old when she landed that triple axel at Nationals, and it was all over the news, and Dick Button was losing his mind with his commentary in the booth, and it was all amazing. I loved it, I loved her, and part of me will always root for scrappy little Tonya.

I admire her scrappiness and skating skills, but Nancy could have been maimed for life.

Yeah, but Tonya didn't bash her knee in, and I don't believe she knew anything until after the fact. That's not excusing her participation in a cover-up/obstruction of an investigation, I'm just saying. Bitch didn't hit nobody.

They found a note in Harding’s handwriting that said “Tunee Can Arena” - Tonya’s stab at finding out for her cronies that Kerrigan trained at Tony Kent Arena so they could attempt to hurt Nancy there.

She knew.

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They hated her for all of those things before she chose to fight dirty. And that made hating her after much easier and more satisfying. She fought dirty because the country and her life had told her that the only person looking out for her was herself. And while what she did was wrong, she was right about that. No one was on Tonya's side except Tonya even BEFORE this happened.

You ask who she was representing at the Olympics and that shows a fundamental misunderstanding of people in her position. She was absolutely representing herself, her only chance. That gold medal wasn't for honor/glory, it was going to be freedom.

And once again I never said sympathy, I said empathy. They aren't the same thing.

What? The country has made her twice national champion. World medalist. Olympic medalist (which 4th place is considered to be). Do you realize how much free stuff, how many breaks, how many resources she has received from USFSA at that point? You think anyone makes it to these heights straight outta trailer park without massive infusion of support?

Stop with the sob story. Learn the facts.

But you seem to think someone can make it to those heights, be the first American woman to land a triple axle in competition, and be a lazy loser who didn't put in the work. Which is it?

It's the latter. The lazy loser. It's axel, btw.

Making it to these heights is one thing but staying there is quite another. Landing a triple axel, incidentally, doesn't automatically make one great, it just means you are a very talented jumper. Triple axels are still a rarity in competitive ladies' skating and no woman has risen to the podium exclusively because of the axel. There is so much more that a skater needs to be on top of her sport. More importantly, you simply do not NEED the triple axel to win.

Tonya received more help, financial and otherwise, from USFSA that she ever acknowledged. Even though no one in skating wanted to be around her for years before the attack, the judges gave her her due when she skated well. For instance, her 1991 Nationals win could have easily gone to Yamaguchi, who was also a talented jumper, and a more complete skater. But judges acknowledged Tonya's guts and she got the title. So please don't say "skating wasn't behind Tonya". It was. She received many breaks, and was a beneficiary of lots of free stuff, on account of her talent. She screwed it up all by herself.

She did stay at those heights. Two time Olympian!

And wtf your post is ridiculous. It shouldn't matter at all what Tonya was like, it shouldn't ever be about giving someone their due, it should be about how well you skated that day. By your own posts she was a decorated skater who had had a good career. You're contradicting yourself left and right.

What breaks food she receive? And not things that other usfsa does for all skaters at that level like travel expenses.

I retract my use of the word wealthy to describe Kerrigan's family, it doesn't get to what I was getting at.

Maybe try “stable”?