Some of the disgusting stuff that is happening in pornography

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Women don't WANT to be abused and tortured.

It's a good thing these women are portraying abuse and torture, not being abused and tortured. And yes, the distinction is real and important.

Actually they ARE being abused and tortured. These are real women, in real situations, with real stuff being done to their body.

And yes, the damage done to them is very real and very important.

the women CHOSE to do that. what is it that you cannot understand about someone choosing to do something that you do not like?

Op is ignoring pretty much all the arguments that make sense. She's here because she had a narative to fill and you aren't playing along.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women don't WANT to be abused and tortured.

It's a good thing these women are portraying abuse and torture, not being abused and tortured. And yes, the distinction is real and important.

Actually they ARE being abused and tortured. These are real women, in real situations, with real stuff being done to their body.

And yes, the damage done to them is very real and very important.

the women CHOSE to do that. what is it that you cannot understand about someone choosing to do something that you do not like?

Op is ignoring pretty much all the arguments that make sense. She's here because she had a narative to fill and you aren't playing along.

Actually I've answered every single argument. Next time find a more plausible excuse

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women don't WANT to be abused and tortured.

It's a good thing these women are portraying abuse and torture, not being abused and tortured. And yes, the distinction is real and important.

Actually they ARE being abused and tortured. These are real women, in real situations, with real stuff being done to their body.

And yes, the damage done to them is very real and very important.

the women CHOSE to do that. what is it that you cannot understand about someone choosing to do something that you do not like?

And so i repeat my metaphor... if I offer a homeless person $100 to knock his teeth out, and he agrees, is that alright? Is it morally acceptable to do so? Is it morally acceptable for a person to watch and get off to footage of me doing that?

Just because some consents to something does not make it morally acceptable or take away the harm done.

Your analogy isn't as clever as you seem to think. There are issues in film about where the line is. There are similar issues in extreme porn videos, but you're not really talking about that. The OP's article isn't about that issue or about breaking teeth. Start a new thread if you want to talk about the line between consent and abuse in porn and art.

The OP's article is about sex which is painful and almost certainly involves bodily damage, as do many porn films. Not to mention emotional damage and damage to one's livelihood and ability to make money.

That's what this entire thread is about, dude.

No it's not. OP's breathless article is about "reality". She thinks these girls don't realize they're being filmed or "coerced". It's acting. People do painful things. That doesn't mean consent was dubious, or coerced, or non-existent. This thread is about extreme porn. Period.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a man who is really opposed to pornography and very thankful that i was an adult and living with a woman I love before the internet porn boom, but I can tell this article is weak.

Nevertheless, as PP stated, 21 instead of 18 to make life-changing decisions seems reasonable to me.

The article is weak? What are you talking about? The article is sickening

It's also bizarre. The article is taking porn, fantasy videos, as real. As if the actors aren't acting.

They aren't "acting" because it's real sex. This is not a Merchant Ivory film. Furthermore the article addresses the level of cruelty and hatred that is being depicted and why on earth anyone would be turned on by that

The sex is real, but that doesn't mean the scenarios depicted are. It ain't rocket science.

Right... so the painful sex act depicted in the article was real, glad we agree.

And consensual.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a man who is really opposed to pornography and very thankful that i was an adult and living with a woman I love before the internet porn boom, but I can tell this article is weak.

Nevertheless, as PP stated, 21 instead of 18 to make life-changing decisions seems reasonable to me.

The article is weak? What are you talking about? The article is sickening

It's also bizarre. The article is taking porn, fantasy videos, as real. As if the actors aren't acting.

They aren't "acting" because it's real sex. This is not a Merchant Ivory film. Furthermore the article addresses the level of cruelty and hatred that is being depicted and why on earth anyone would be turned on by that

The sex is real, but that doesn't mean the scenarios depicted are. It ain't rocket science.

Right... so the painful sex act depicted in the article was real, glad we agree.

And consensual.

Painful with bodily damage. Interesting that you don't seem to care.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a man who is really opposed to pornography and very thankful that i was an adult and living with a woman I love before the internet porn boom, but I can tell this article is weak.

Nevertheless, as PP stated, 21 instead of 18 to make life-changing decisions seems reasonable to me.

The article is weak? What are you talking about? The article is sickening

It's also bizarre. The article is taking porn, fantasy videos, as real. As if the actors aren't acting.

They aren't "acting" because it's real sex. This is not a Merchant Ivory film. Furthermore the article addresses the level of cruelty and hatred that is being depicted and why on earth anyone would be turned on by that

The sex is real, but that doesn't mean the scenarios depicted are. It ain't rocket science.

Right... so the painful sex act depicted in the article was real, glad we agree.

And consensual.

Painful with bodily damage. Interesting that you don't seem to care.

Whether I "care" or not is irrelevant. She is participating in that film and in those acts willingly with knowledge beforehand of what she was being asked to do. To my knowledge, she was not seriously injured or killed while willingly participating in that film. And for all I (and you) know, she is into rough sex and actually enjoyed willingly participating in the acts portrayed in that film.

Face it: you are creating a narrative out of whole cloth based on your own sexual and moral preferences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a man who is really opposed to pornography and very thankful that i was an adult and living with a woman I love before the internet porn boom, but I can tell this article is weak.

Nevertheless, as PP stated, 21 instead of 18 to make life-changing decisions seems reasonable to me.

The article is weak? What are you talking about? The article is sickening

It's also bizarre. The article is taking porn, fantasy videos, as real. As if the actors aren't acting.

They aren't "acting" because it's real sex. This is not a Merchant Ivory film. Furthermore the article addresses the level of cruelty and hatred that is being depicted and why on earth anyone would be turned on by that

The sex is real, but that doesn't mean the scenarios depicted are. It ain't rocket science.

Right... so the painful sex act depicted in the article was real, glad we agree.

And consensual.

Painful with bodily damage. Interesting that you don't seem to care.

Whether I "care" or not is irrelevant. She is participating in that film and in those acts willingly with knowledge beforehand of what she was being asked to do. To my knowledge, she was not seriously injured or killed while willingly participating in that film. And for all I (and you) know, she is into rough sex and actually enjoyed willingly participating in the acts portrayed in that film.

Face it: you are creating a narrative out of whole cloth based on your own sexual and moral preferences.

Actually, it's completely relevant. I guess your answer to my question about homeless people would be that it's perfectly fine to knock the man's teeth out so long as he agreed beforehand.

Consent is not some magical golden umbrella which makes everything that comes after okay. And you know that, but you don't want to admit it because then you couldn't justify jerking off to this stuff.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a man who is really opposed to pornography and very thankful that i was an adult and living with a woman I love before the internet porn boom, but I can tell this article is weak.

Nevertheless, as PP stated, 21 instead of 18 to make life-changing decisions seems reasonable to me.

The article is weak? What are you talking about? The article is sickening

It's also bizarre. The article is taking porn, fantasy videos, as real. As if the actors aren't acting.

They aren't "acting" because it's real sex. This is not a Merchant Ivory film. Furthermore the article addresses the level of cruelty and hatred that is being depicted and why on earth anyone would be turned on by that

The sex is real, but that doesn't mean the scenarios depicted are. It ain't rocket science.

Right... so the painful sex act depicted in the article was real, glad we agree.

And consensual.

Painful with bodily damage. Interesting that you don't seem to care.

Whether I "care" or not is irrelevant. She is participating in that film and in those acts willingly with knowledge beforehand of what she was being asked to do. To my knowledge, she was not seriously injured or killed while willingly participating in that film. And for all I (and you) know, she is into rough sex and actually enjoyed willingly participating in the acts portrayed in that film.

Face it: you are creating a narrative out of whole cloth based on your own sexual and moral preferences.

Actually, it's completely relevant. I guess your answer to my question about homeless people would be that it's perfectly fine to knock the man's teeth out so long as he agreed beforehand.

Consent is not some magical golden umbrella which makes everything that comes after okay. And you know that, but you don't want to admit it because then you couldn't justify jerking off to this stuff.

FTR, I don't get off on that. But you're absolutely wrong, and as someone else noted earlier, your analogy about knocking homeless people's teeth out sucks.

[Anonymous]

The woman or women who are opposing this kind of video are going to have to go whole hog and oppose porn entirely as I do, or just be fine with being mad online.

I can't imagine these made up scenarios (clearly scripted) are any different from getting a college girl to take her shirt off for playboy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The woman or women who are opposing this kind of video are going to have to go whole hog and oppose porn entirely as I do, or just be fine with being mad online.

I can't imagine these made up scenarios (clearly scripted) are any different from getting a college girl to take her shirt off for playboy.

I personally oppose porn entirely. I also can recognize the difference between someone having painful anal sex (which pretty much assures bodily damage) and someone flashing their breasts, though they are both coercive and gross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a man who is really opposed to pornography and very thankful that i was an adult and living with a woman I love before the internet porn boom, but I can tell this article is weak.

Nevertheless, as PP stated, 21 instead of 18 to make life-changing decisions seems reasonable to me.

The article is weak? What are you talking about? The article is sickening

It's also bizarre. The article is taking porn, fantasy videos, as real. As if the actors aren't acting.

They aren't "acting" because it's real sex. This is not a Merchant Ivory film. Furthermore the article addresses the level of cruelty and hatred that is being depicted and why on earth anyone would be turned on by that

The sex is real, but that doesn't mean the scenarios depicted are. It ain't rocket science.

Right... so the painful sex act depicted in the article was real, glad we agree.

And consensual.

Painful with bodily damage. Interesting that you don't seem to care.

Whether I "care" or not is irrelevant. She is participating in that film and in those acts willingly with knowledge beforehand of what she was being asked to do. To my knowledge, she was not seriously injured or killed while willingly participating in that film. And for all I (and you) know, she is into rough sex and actually enjoyed willingly participating in the acts portrayed in that film.

Face it: you are creating a narrative out of whole cloth based on your own sexual and moral preferences.

Actually, it's completely relevant. I guess your answer to my question about homeless people would be that it's perfectly fine to knock the man's teeth out so long as he agreed beforehand.

Consent is not some magical golden umbrella which makes everything that comes after okay. And you know that, but you don't want to admit it because then you couldn't justify jerking off to this stuff.

FTR, I don't get off on that. But you're absolutely wrong, and as someone else noted earlier, your analogy about knocking homeless people's teeth out sucks.

Actually it's a perfect analogy. One you don't have an answer for except to say "it sucks" like a teenager. So there we go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The woman or women who are opposing this kind of video are going to have to go whole hog and oppose porn entirely as I do, or just be fine with being mad online.

I can't imagine these made up scenarios (clearly scripted) are any different from getting a college girl to take her shirt off for playboy.

I personally oppose porn entirely. I also can recognize the difference between someone having painful anal sex (which pretty much assures bodily damage) and someone flashing their breasts, though they are both coercive and gross.

I don't think you understand what coercive means.

[Anonymous]

I haven't read the whole thread. Frontline did a show on this back in 2002. Really interesting legal discussions involved.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/

There is a section: What if you were a juror, how would you vote (on whether something is obscene or not)

Lots of trigger warnings of course. One cameraman was so sickened by what he saw that he had to leave.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a man who is really opposed to pornography and very thankful that i was an adult and living with a woman I love before the internet porn boom, but I can tell this article is weak.

Nevertheless, as PP stated, 21 instead of 18 to make life-changing decisions seems reasonable to me.

The article is weak? What are you talking about? The article is sickening

It's also bizarre. The article is taking porn, fantasy videos, as real. As if the actors aren't acting.

They aren't "acting" because it's real sex. This is not a Merchant Ivory film. Furthermore the article addresses the level of cruelty and hatred that is being depicted and why on earth anyone would be turned on by that

The sex is real, but that doesn't mean the scenarios depicted are. It ain't rocket science.

Right... so the painful sex act depicted in the article was real, glad we agree.

And consensual.

Painful with bodily damage. Interesting that you don't seem to care.

Whether I "care" or not is irrelevant. She is participating in that film and in those acts willingly with knowledge beforehand of what she was being asked to do. To my knowledge, she was not seriously injured or killed while willingly participating in that film. And for all I (and you) know, she is into rough sex and actually enjoyed willingly participating in the acts portrayed in that film.

Face it: you are creating a narrative out of whole cloth based on your own sexual and moral preferences.

Actually, it's completely relevant. I guess your answer to my question about homeless people would be that it's perfectly fine to knock the man's teeth out so long as he agreed beforehand.

Consent is not some magical golden umbrella which makes everything that comes after okay. And you know that, but you don't want to admit it because then you couldn't justify jerking off to this stuff.

FTR, I don't get off on that. But you're absolutely wrong, and as someone else noted earlier, your analogy about knocking homeless people's teeth out sucks.

Actually it's a perfect analogy. One you don't have an answer for except to say "it sucks" like a teenager. So there we go.

LOL! You're like a little kid with her fingers in her ears yelling NANANANANAICAN'THEARYOUNANANANANANANA!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a man who is really opposed to pornography and very thankful that i was an adult and living with a woman I love before the internet porn boom, but I can tell this article is weak.

Nevertheless, as PP stated, 21 instead of 18 to make life-changing decisions seems reasonable to me.

The article is weak? What are you talking about? The article is sickening

It's also bizarre. The article is taking porn, fantasy videos, as real. As if the actors aren't acting.

They aren't "acting" because it's real sex. This is not a Merchant Ivory film. Furthermore the article addresses the level of cruelty and hatred that is being depicted and why on earth anyone would be turned on by that

The sex is real, but that doesn't mean the scenarios depicted are. It ain't rocket science.

Right... so the painful sex act depicted in the article was real, glad we agree.

And consensual.

Painful with bodily damage. Interesting that you don't seem to care.

Whether I "care" or not is irrelevant. She is participating in that film and in those acts willingly with knowledge beforehand of what she was being asked to do. To my knowledge, she was not seriously injured or killed while willingly participating in that film. And for all I (and you) know, she is into rough sex and actually enjoyed willingly participating in the acts portrayed in that film.

Face it: you are creating a narrative out of whole cloth based on your own sexual and moral preferences.

Actually, it's completely relevant. I guess your answer to my question about homeless people would be that it's perfectly fine to knock the man's teeth out so long as he agreed beforehand.

Consent is not some magical golden umbrella which makes everything that comes after okay. And you know that, but you don't want to admit it because then you couldn't justify jerking off to this stuff.

FTR, I don't get off on that. But you're absolutely wrong, and as someone else noted earlier, your analogy about knocking homeless people's teeth out sucks.

Actually it's a perfect analogy. One you don't have an answer for except to say "it sucks" like a teenager. So there we go.

LOL! You're like a little kid with her fingers in her ears yelling NANANANANAICAN'THEARYOUNANANANANANANA!!!

This is the most little kid post I've ever seen.