Trump DOJ to prosecute universities for anti-white affirmative action policies

[Anonymous]

For all the pious, I hate discrimination in all forms. This should stop, even if it hurts white folks-- riddle me this.

Why do the title to this thread-- and the statements by the DOJ-- read "anti-white" discrimination and not "discrimination" or "anti-Asian discrimination," or even "Pro AA and Hispanic Bias,"when Asian students are held to higher standards, and objectively suffer more "discrimination" than whites?

Why is this new movement only for whites, and not for Asians? Or against discrimination in all forms? Because the DOJ says they are only looking at "anti-white" discrimination. As if the even worse anti-Asian discrimination is A Ok".



Dog whistle to a base that is losing patience with the Trump Train, maybe?

#MAGA

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cal tech admissions model for all schools.

Cal Tech is 29% whites, 41% Asian and 16% URM.

MIT is 35% white, 26% Asian, and 20% URM.

All the white people clebrating this need to take a minute and realize that if college admissions were truly race blind, there would be fewer whites and fewer URMs, and a lot more Asians. Right now, Asians are the group that takes a hit on college admissions, not whites. And both of the big lawsuits out there on race based admissions are brought by Asian Americans-- not whites.

Bingo. This is what many people are not getting. The affirmative action takes from Asians and gives it to Whites, Blacks and Hispanics. I am of Asian origin and honestly the really good asian students get through to top public schools like Berkley, UNC, UVA, Michigan etc EVEN IF they are rejected admission to Ivies. They do just fine in the end.

So I am for AA but it should be based on Socio-Economic factors with income as a big factor.

No. What you are not getting is that many people oppose race-based preferences in admissions for principled reasons - regardless of whether Asian Americans or anyone else might benefit most from their removal.

You didn't read my last sentence. Without Affirmative action many blacks and hispanics coming from disadvantaged background will never move up. College is ONLY one aspect of life NOT ALL for the wealthy and upper middle class. Students coming from a high social class get to where they want regardless of which college they go to. Thats not the case for many blacks if they never get to college and finish college because they get sucked right back into the gloom of their neighborhood.

They will "never" move up? Wow. If you think race-based preferences to college are the ONLY shot they will ever have in their entire lives, you have a terribly cynical and sad view of these kids and their potential. Certainly, there are other ways for them to succeed in life and for us to help them succeed.

Not to mention, you haven't accounted for mismatch theory, whereby there is good reason to believe that students do better when placed with peers who have similar grades and test scores as them.

(Also, you're just casually trying to slip in the whole "disadvantaged background" qualifier. Race-based preferences pertain to race, not other factors like socioeconomic background.)

Well the "never move up" pertains to most not all as there are exceptions to any rule. College is a real stepping stone for someone coming from a poor socio -economic background. And yes blacks and hispanics OVERWHELMINGLY come from disadvantaged backgrounds. So there is a co-relation between race and socio-economic background. Race along with socio-economic background is what the schools use for admissions, not race alone. But since the majority of blacks and hispanics qualify based on socio-economic status then race is a clear marker. UNTIL they improve their socio-economic status significantly then they deserve a helping hand in admissions. Many of them more than catch up while in college because it was their environment that was holding them back not lack of ability or effort.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asian parents sue Harvard after their kids with perfect GPA's were rejected.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/18/rejected-asian-students-sue-harvard-over-admissions-that-favor-other-minorities.html

You posted a story from 2014. How'd that turn out?

Cases by Asian American groups against Harvard, Princeton and UNC, among others, are still working their way through the system.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2016/11/7/harvard-admissions-lawsuit-explainer/

http://college.usatoday.com/2017/04/05/princeton-files-lawsuit-to-block-release-of-admissions-records/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cal tech admissions model for all schools.

Cal Tech is 29% whites, 41% Asian and 16% URM.

MIT is 35% white, 26% Asian, and 20% URM.

All the white people clebrating this need to take a minute and realize that if college admissions were truly race blind, there would be fewer whites and fewer URMs, and a lot more Asians. Right now, Asians are the group that takes a hit on college admissions, not whites. And both of the big lawsuits out there on race based admissions are brought by Asian Americans-- not whites.

Bingo. This is what many people are not getting. The affirmative action takes from Asians and gives it to Whites, Blacks and Hispanics. I am of Asian origin and honestly the really good asian students get through to top public schools like Berkley, UNC, UVA, Michigan etc EVEN IF they are rejected admission to Ivies. They do just fine in the end.

So I am for AA but it should be based on Socio-Economic factors with income as a big factor.

No. What you are not getting is that many people oppose race-based preferences in admissions for principled reasons - regardless of whether Asian Americans or anyone else might benefit most from their removal.

You didn't read my last sentence. Without Affirmative action many blacks and hispanics coming from disadvantaged background will never move up. College is ONLY one aspect of life NOT ALL for the wealthy and upper middle class. Students coming from a high social class get to where they want regardless of which college they go to. Thats not the case for many blacks if they never get to college and finish college because they get sucked right back into the gloom of their neighborhood.

They will "never" move up? Wow. If you think race-based preferences to college are the ONLY shot they will ever have in their entire lives, you have a terribly cynical and sad view of these kids and their potential. Certainly, there are other ways for them to succeed in life and for us to help them succeed.

Not to mention, you haven't accounted for mismatch theory, whereby there is good reason to believe that students do better when placed with peers who have similar grades and test scores as them.

(Also, you're just casually trying to slip in the whole "disadvantaged background" qualifier. Race-based preferences pertain to race, not other factors like socioeconomic background.)

Well the "never move up" pertains to most not all as there are exceptions to any rule. College is a real stepping stone for someone coming from a poor socio -economic background. And yes blacks and hispanics OVERWHELMINGLY come from disadvantaged backgrounds. So there is a co-relation between race and socio-economic background. Race along with socio-economic background is what the schools use for admissions, not race alone. But since the majority of blacks and hispanics qualify based on socio-economic status then race is a clear marker. UNTIL they improve their socio-economic status significantly then they deserve a helping hand in admissions. Many of them more than catch up while in college because it was their environment that was holding them back not lack of ability or effort.

If blacks and Hispanics OVERWHELMINGLY come from disadvantages backgrounds, as you say, then then would continue to benefit from affirmative action if it were based on income, not race. Why should a poor black or Hispanic be advantaged over a poor white Asian, or Jew?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cal tech admissions model for all schools.

Cal Tech is 29% whites, 41% Asian and 16% URM.

MIT is 35% white, 26% Asian, and 20% URM.

All the white people clebrating this need to take a minute and realize that if college admissions were truly race blind, there would be fewer whites and fewer URMs, and a lot more Asians. Right now, Asians are the group that takes a hit on college admissions, not whites. And both of the big lawsuits out there on race based admissions are brought by Asian Americans-- not whites.

Bingo. This is what many people are not getting. The affirmative action takes from Asians and gives it to Whites, Blacks and Hispanics. I am of Asian origin and honestly the really good asian students get through to top public schools like Berkley, UNC, UVA, Michigan etc EVEN IF they are rejected admission to Ivies. They do just fine in the end.

So I am for AA but it should be based on Socio-Economic factors with income as a big factor.

No. What you are not getting is that many people oppose race-based preferences in admissions for principled reasons - regardless of whether Asian Americans or anyone else might benefit most from their removal.

You didn't read my last sentence. Without Affirmative action many blacks and hispanics coming from disadvantaged background will never move up. College is ONLY one aspect of life NOT ALL for the wealthy and upper middle class. Students coming from a high social class get to where they want regardless of which college they go to. Thats not the case for many blacks if they never get to college and finish college because they get sucked right back into the gloom of their neighborhood.

They will "never" move up? Wow. If you think race-based preferences to college are the ONLY shot they will ever have in their entire lives, you have a terribly cynical and sad view of these kids and their potential. Certainly, there are other ways for them to succeed in life and for us to help them succeed.

Not to mention, you haven't accounted for mismatch theory, whereby there is good reason to believe that students do better when placed with peers who have similar grades and test scores as them.

(Also, you're just casually trying to slip in the whole "disadvantaged background" qualifier. Race-based preferences pertain to race, not other factors like socioeconomic background.)

Well the "never move up" pertains to most not all as there are exceptions to any rule. College is a real stepping stone for someone coming from a poor socio -economic background. And yes blacks and hispanics OVERWHELMINGLY come from disadvantaged backgrounds. So there is a co-relation between race and socio-economic background. Race along with socio-economic background is what the schools use for admissions, not race alone. But since the majority of blacks and hispanics qualify based on socio-economic status then race is a clear marker. UNTIL they improve their socio-economic status significantly then they deserve a helping hand in admissions. Many of them more than catch up while in college because it was their environment that was holding them back not lack of ability or effort.

Why do you need to use race as a marker or indicator for socioeconomic status when you could actually just look at students' socioeconomic status?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cal tech admissions model for all schools.

Cal Tech is 29% whites, 41% Asian and 16% URM.

MIT is 35% white, 26% Asian, and 20% URM.

All the white people clebrating this need to take a minute and realize that if college admissions were truly race blind, there would be fewer whites and fewer URMs, and a lot more Asians. Right now, Asians are the group that takes a hit on college admissions, not whites. And both of the big lawsuits out there on race based admissions are brought by Asian Americans-- not whites.

Bingo. This is what many people are not getting. The affirmative action takes from Asians and gives it to Whites, Blacks and Hispanics. I am of Asian origin and honestly the really good asian students get through to top public schools like Berkley, UNC, UVA, Michigan etc EVEN IF they are rejected admission to Ivies. They do just fine in the end.

So I am for AA but it should be based on Socio-Economic factors with income as a big factor.

No. What you are not getting is that many people oppose race-based preferences in admissions for principled reasons - regardless of whether Asian Americans or anyone else might benefit most from their removal.

You didn't read my last sentence. Without Affirmative action many blacks and hispanics coming from disadvantaged background will never move up. College is ONLY one aspect of life NOT ALL for the wealthy and upper middle class. Students coming from a high social class get to where they want regardless of which college they go to. Thats not the case for many blacks if they never get to college and finish college because they get sucked right back into the gloom of their neighborhood.

They will "never" move up? Wow. If you think race-based preferences to college are the ONLY shot they will ever have in their entire lives, you have a terribly cynical and sad view of these kids and their potential. Certainly, there are other ways for them to succeed in life and for us to help them succeed.

Not to mention, you haven't accounted for mismatch theory, whereby there is good reason to believe that students do better when placed with peers who have similar grades and test scores as them.

(Also, you're just casually trying to slip in the whole "disadvantaged background" qualifier. Race-based preferences pertain to race, not other factors like socioeconomic background.)

Well the "never move up" pertains to most not all as there are exceptions to any rule. College is a real stepping stone for someone coming from a poor socio -economic background. And yes blacks and hispanics OVERWHELMINGLY come from disadvantaged backgrounds. So there is a co-relation between race and socio-economic background. Race along with socio-economic background is what the schools use for admissions, not race alone. But since the majority of blacks and hispanics qualify based on socio-economic status then race is a clear marker. UNTIL they improve their socio-economic status significantly then they deserve a helping hand in admissions. Many of them more than catch up while in college because it was their environment that was holding them back not lack of ability or effort.

If blacks and Hispanics OVERWHELMINGLY come from disadvantages backgrounds, as you say, then then would continue to benefit from affirmative action if it were based on income, not race. Why should a poor black or Hispanic be advantaged over a poor white Asian, or Jew?

Also, why should a rich black or hispanic be advantaged over a poor white, Jew, or Asian?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For all the pious, I hate discrimination in all forms. This should stop, even if it hurts white folks-- riddle me this.

Why do the title to this thread-- and the statements by the DOJ-- read "anti-white" discrimination and not "discrimination" or "anti-Asian discrimination," or even "Pro AA and Hispanic Bias,"when Asian students are held to higher standards, and objectively suffer more "discrimination" than whites?

Why is this new movement only for whites, and not for Asians? Or against discrimination in all forms? Because the DOJ says they are only looking at "anti-white" discrimination. As if the even worse anti-Asian discrimination is A Ok".



Dog whistle to a base that is losing patience with the Trump Train, maybe?

#MAGA

Racial wedge is the motivation for this. This administration knows it can't win the next term with its policies. There is an overt( no more covert dog whistles) to separate the whites from the non-whites and get the whites to vote for Trump based on mostly manufactured racial grievances. This is not good for the country's unity and democracy. Hopefully the educated whites will see through this and not fall for it.

[Anonymous]

Under represented minorities need affirmative action because often times they know no one who has successfully navigated college. For example, I was the first person in my family to graduate high school in 1990. I was given the vague instruction to go to college. There was no support beyond the go to college statement. No money, no advice, no touring colleges, no assistance with filling out forms, no one could tell me where to apply or where they went to school as starting point. NOTHING.

Most white people have at least one member of their families (can be extended) who have attended college. There are a lot of things beyond just money and grades that go into supporting and fostering a successful college student that minorities do not get.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For all the pious, I hate discrimination in all forms. This should stop, even if it hurts white folks-- riddle me this.

Why do the title to this thread-- and the statements by the DOJ-- read "anti-white" discrimination and not "discrimination" or "anti-Asian discrimination," or even "Pro AA and Hispanic Bias,"when Asian students are held to higher standards, and objectively suffer more "discrimination" than whites?

Why is this new movement only for whites, and not for Asians? Or against discrimination in all forms? Because the DOJ says they are only looking at "anti-white" discrimination. As if the even worse anti-Asian discrimination is A Ok".



Dog whistle to a base that is losing patience with the Trump Train, maybe?

#MAGA

Racial wedge is the motivation for this. This administration knows it can't win the next term with its policies. There is an overt( no more covert dog whistles) to separate the whites from the non-whites and get the whites to vote for Trump based on mostly manufactured racial grievances. This is not good for the country's unity and democracy. Hopefully the educated whites will see through this and not fall for it.

+1 Divide and conquer is their MO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Under represented minorities need affirmative action because often times they know no one who has successfully navigated college. For example, I was the first person in my family to graduate high school in 1990. I was given the vague instruction to go to college. There was no support beyond the go to college statement. No money, no advice, no touring colleges, no assistance with filling out forms, no one could tell me where to apply or where they went to school as starting point. NOTHING.

Most white people have at least one member of their families (can be extended) who have attended college. There are a lot of things beyond just money and grades that go into supporting and fostering a successful college student that minorities do not get.

Schools could just ask applicants whether they have family members who have successfully navigated college, rather than assuming one way or the other based on the applicant's race.

[Anonymous]

I'm generally pro-affirmative action but wouldn't a policy of affirmative action based on income work to accomplish the same goals AND take the wind out of the sails of the white nationalists?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For all the pious, I hate discrimination in all forms. This should stop, even if it hurts white folks-- riddle me this.

Why do the title to this thread-- and the statements by the DOJ-- read "anti-white" discrimination and not "discrimination" or "anti-Asian discrimination," or even "Pro AA and Hispanic Bias,"when Asian students are held to higher standards, and objectively suffer more "discrimination" than whites?

Why is this new movement only for whites, and not for Asians? Or against discrimination in all forms? Because the DOJ says they are only looking at "anti-white" discrimination. As if the even worse anti-Asian discrimination is A Ok".



Dog whistle to a base that is losing patience with the Trump Train, maybe?

#MAGA

Racial wedge is the motivation for this. This administration knows it can't win the next term with its policies. There is an overt( no more covert dog whistles) to separate the whites from the non-whites and get the whites to vote for Trump based on mostly manufactured racial grievances. This is not good for the country's unity and democracy. Hopefully the educated whites will see through this and not fall for it.

+1 Divide and conquer is their MO.

Yep. Same strategy used by liberals who promote identity politics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cal tech admissions model for all schools.

Cal Tech is 29% whites, 41% Asian and 16% URM.

MIT is 35% white, 26% Asian, and 20% URM.

All the white people clebrating this need to take a minute and realize that if college admissions were truly race blind, there would be fewer whites and fewer URMs, and a lot more Asians. Right now, Asians are the group that takes a hit on college admissions, not whites. And both of the big lawsuits out there on race based admissions are brought by Asian Americans-- not whites.

Bingo. This is what many people are not getting. The affirmative action takes from Asians and gives it to Whites, Blacks and Hispanics. I am of Asian origin and honestly the really good asian students get through to top public schools like Berkley, UNC, UVA, Michigan etc EVEN IF they are rejected admission to Ivies. They do just fine in the end.

So I am for AA but it should be based on Socio-Economic factors with income as a big factor.

No. What you are not getting is that many people oppose race-based preferences in admissions for principled reasons - regardless of whether Asian Americans or anyone else might benefit most from their removal.

You didn't read my last sentence. Without Affirmative action many blacks and hispanics coming from disadvantaged background will never move up. College is ONLY one aspect of life NOT ALL for the wealthy and upper middle class. Students coming from a high social class get to where they want regardless of which college they go to. Thats not the case for many blacks if they never get to college and finish college because they get sucked right back into the gloom of their neighborhood.

They will "never" move up? Wow. If you think race-based preferences to college are the ONLY shot they will ever have in their entire lives, you have a terribly cynical and sad view of these kids and their potential. Certainly, there are other ways for them to succeed in life and for us to help them succeed.

Not to mention, you haven't accounted for mismatch theory, whereby there is good reason to believe that students do better when placed with peers who have similar grades and test scores as them.

(Also, you're just casually trying to slip in the whole "disadvantaged background" qualifier. Race-based preferences pertain to race, not other factors like socioeconomic background.)

+1 what a despicably racist comment

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For all the pious, I hate discrimination in all forms. This should stop, even if it hurts white folks-- riddle me this.

Why do the title to this thread-- and the statements by the DOJ-- read "anti-white" discrimination and not "discrimination" or "anti-Asian discrimination," or even "Pro AA and Hispanic Bias,"when Asian students are held to higher standards, and objectively suffer more "discrimination" than whites?

Why is this new movement only for whites, and not for Asians? Or against discrimination in all forms? Because the DOJ says they are only looking at "anti-white" discrimination. As if the even worse anti-Asian discrimination is A Ok".



Dog whistle to a base that is losing patience with the Trump Train, maybe?

#MAGA

Racial wedge is the motivation for this. This administration knows it can't win the next term with its policies. There is an overt( no more covert dog whistles) to separate the whites from the non-whites and get the whites to vote for Trump based on mostly manufactured racial grievances. This is not good for the country's unity and democracy. Hopefully the educated whites will see through this and not fall for it.

+1 Divide and conquer is their MO.

Yep. Same strategy used by liberals who promote identity politics.

Time after time I read this term. It is so annoying. Your identity politics are just rights afforded to white citizens that other races/ethnicities/genders would like to have as equal members of society. Why do you view them as less than?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cal tech admissions model for all schools.

Cal Tech is 29% whites, 41% Asian and 16% URM.

MIT is 35% white, 26% Asian, and 20% URM.

All the white people clebrating this need to take a minute and realize that if college admissions were truly race blind, there would be fewer whites and fewer URMs, and a lot more Asians. Right now, Asians are the group that takes a hit on college admissions, not whites. And both of the big lawsuits out there on race based admissions are brought by Asian Americans-- not whites.

This sounds good to me. I'm not Asian, but if Asians are the most qualified (ergo shutting out whites)...they should be accepted over less qualified.