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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Cal tech admissions model for all schools. [/quote]

Cal Tech is 29% whites,  41% Asian and 16% URM.

MIT is 35% white, 26% Asian, and 20% URM.

All the white people clebrating this need to take a minute and realize that if college admissions were truly race blind, there would be fewer whites and fewer URMs, and a lot more Asians.  Right now, Asians are the group that takes a hit on college admissions, not whites.  And both of the big lawsuits out there on race based admissions are brought by Asian Americans-- not whites. [/quote]

[b]Bingo. This is what many people are not getting. [/b]The affirmative action takes from Asians and gives it to Whites, Blacks and Hispanics. I am of Asian origin and honestly the really good asian students get through to top public schools like Berkley, UNC, UVA, Michigan etc EVEN IF they are rejected admission to Ivies. They do just fine in the end.

So I am for AA but it should be based on Socio-Economic factors with income as a big factor.

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No. What you are not getting is that many people oppose race-based preferences in admissions for principled reasons - regardless of whether Asian Americans or anyone else might benefit most from their removal. [/quote]

You didn't read my last sentence. [b]Without Affirmative action many blacks and hispanics coming from disadvantaged background will never move up. [/b]College is ONLY one aspect of life NOT ALL for the wealthy and upper middle class. [b]Students coming from a high social class get to where they want regardless of which college they go to. Thats not the case for many blacks if they never get to college and finish college because they get sucked right back into the gloom of their neighborhood. [/b][/quote]

They will "never" move up? Wow. If you think race-based preferences to college are the ONLY shot they will ever have in their entire lives, you have a terribly cynical and sad view of these kids and their potential. Certainly, there are other ways for them to succeed in life and for us to help them succeed.

Not to mention, you haven't accounted for mismatch theory, whereby there is good reason to believe that students do better when placed with peers who have similar grades and test scores as them.

(Also, you're just casually trying to slip in the whole "disadvantaged background" qualifier. Race-based preferences pertain to race, not other factors like socioeconomic background.)[/quote]

Well the "never move up" pertains to most not all as there are exceptions to any rule. College is a real stepping stone for someone coming from a poor socio -economic background. And yes blacks and hispanics OVERWHELMINGLY come from disadvantaged backgrounds. So there is a co-relation between race and socio-economic background. Race along with socio-economic background is what the schools use for admissions, not race alone. But since the majority of blacks and hispanics qualify based on socio-economic status then race is a clear marker. UNTIL they improve their socio-economic status significantly then they deserve a helping hand in admissions. Many of them more than catch up while in college because it was their environment that was holding them back not lack of ability or effort.

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If blacks and Hispanics OVERWHELMINGLY come from disadvantages backgrounds, as you say, then then would continue to benefit from affirmative action if it were based on income, not race. Why should a poor black or Hispanic be advantaged over a poor white  Asian, or Jew?[/quote]

Also, why should a rich black or hispanic be advantaged over a poor white, Jew, or Asian?[/quote]

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