Why do Republicans hate electric cars?

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of the arguments against electric cars on this thread have been false. I have a Chevy bolt and we love it. Any car enthusiast would love driving it. It was affordable even before the federal rebate and has given us no problems, but we have only had it for 9 months. But nothing about the car feels incomplete or experimental. We love it. We save $200 a month in gas and our electric bill has not really been impacted, especially since there are so many free charging stations. I love driving by the gas station and watching the poor suckers getting gas or waiting in line.

It is this casual presumption that you know what's good for other people combined with condescending attitude towards the preferences of others that rubs Republicans the wrong way and evoke a natural suspicion for anything that Liberals champion. You like it, we get it, don't decide for the rest of us. You do you, we'll examine the evidence and do a test drive for ourselves to see if any of us as car enthusiasts of varying degrees love driving a Bolt.

Have you actually driven an electric car? Ps I don’t actually care what car you like or whether you like standing in the hot smelly gas station waiting for your car to fill up. Obviously that’s fun for you. You’re reading into the post with your own bias against liberals (I’m not even a liberal) and that’s on you.

Yes, I've driven a Tesla, the acceleration was exhilerating, but the handling is numb and slow compared to similar sized sporty gas engine cars. I find it humorous that you are convinced that any car enthusiast (I am one) would love driving an electric car, but is immediately dismissive and claim that you "don't actually care" when you meet a car enthusiast who disagree with you. You may not be a liberal, but your presumptive and dismissive attitude is very liberal like. Perhaps you should consider joining that party and be among other like minded people?

I have a real question. What do you get from being so rude? Does it make you feel good? Do you actually hate “liberals” that much? Do you actually walk around thinking about how judgmental liberals are of your choices? I cannot imagine that liberals or anyone else actually care that much about you or what you do. I’m serious. Don’t walk around thinking like that. It’s bad for you, it’s bad for the country. I’m sorry I can’t seem to convince you, but I really do not care about what you do. You could be a bot program for all I know. That’s how I think of other posters on this forum. And I only said that car enthusiasts like my car because all of our friends who are car enthusiasts really like my car. I don’t understand how you read so much into this.

Like most republicans, I don't hate liberals, I just have the observation that most liberals are misinformed and have not put in the requisite time and effort to learn and analyze a topic before forming a very strong opinion about it that not only affects their own decisions but they push to affect the decision of others - case in point your ideas about the lovability of electrical vehicles to any car enthusiast. I don't have to walk around thinking about this, liberals take every opportunity to remind me, down to making fun of me getting gas. So if you think that I am rude, it's because I'm pushing back on your attitude - reflect on that for a minute. You don't have to believe me if you don't want to, but Tesla's buyer base has traditionally contained a lot of well funded people who likes tech but few actual car enthusiasts. The fact that you like them and your "car enthusiast" friends like them are just anecdotes - I have no way to ascertain that they are actually car enthusiasts. You don't have to take my word for it, go google "why do car enthusiasts like tesla" and see what the top result is.

Umm... you sound like you have a huge chip on your shoulder. Shake it off. I don’t even have a Tesla nor could I really afford one but you keep talking about it.

You are calling me misinformed when all I expressed was obviously my own opinion. You just seem to be taking DCUM too seriously. This is not the place to go for serious analysis.

Again are you directing your ire at the Republican representatives who could have eliminated electric car subsidies but failed to do so?

Well now, slinking back to hide behind your opinion, except your post as captured above starts off with the factual claim "A lot of the arguments against electric cars on this thread have been false." and the proceeds to support this claim with not just your own feelings towards electric cars but what all other car enthusiasts would feel. It's too late now for you to claim that you were just expression opinion. Don't blame me for being serious when your position has been revealed to be weak, just learn your mistakes and move on. Dealing with the real world as it is and not how you think it is is how people mature out of their liberal views.

Oh yea, bad Republican representatives for not eliminating electric car subsidies, bad! Terrible! The worst!

Ok, I get it. You are not a happy person, and your method to cope is to insult and make other people as unhappy as you. It’s transparent and pretty sad. I guess if that’s what you need to do to get through your day, that’s ok. The top post was opinion, contradicting the other opinions about affordability and cost which are all subjective. Pretending that you are more clever than strangers obviously gives you something you are lacking elsewhere.

I guess what I find sad about a lot of the posters on this site is that instead of talking about policy they have to personalize everything and make it about “liberals” versus “conservatives.” I don’t really care about whether I like a person promoting a policy or whether liberals are mean or conservatives are jerks. Does it make sense to subsidize electric cars? I think it does. You can disagree. Your level of vitriol says more about you than the topic at hand.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of the arguments against electric cars on this thread have been false. I have a Chevy bolt and we love it. Any car enthusiast would love driving it. It was affordable even before the federal rebate and has given us no problems, but we have only had it for 9 months. But nothing about the car feels incomplete or experimental. We love it. We save $200 a month in gas and our electric bill has not really been impacted, especially since there are so many free charging stations. I love driving by the gas station and watching the poor suckers getting gas or waiting in line.

It is this casual presumption that you know what's good for other people combined with condescending attitude towards the preferences of others that rubs Republicans the wrong way and evoke a natural suspicion for anything that Liberals champion. You like it, we get it, don't decide for the rest of us. You do you, we'll examine the evidence and do a test drive for ourselves to see if any of us as car enthusiasts of varying degrees love driving a Bolt.

Have you actually driven an electric car? Ps I don’t actually care what car you like or whether you like standing in the hot smelly gas station waiting for your car to fill up. Obviously that’s fun for you. You’re reading into the post with your own bias against liberals (I’m not even a liberal) and that’s on you.

Yes, I've driven a Tesla, the acceleration was exhilerating, but the handling is numb and slow compared to similar sized sporty gas engine cars. I find it humorous that you are convinced that any car enthusiast (I am one) would love driving an electric car, but is immediately dismissive and claim that you "don't actually care" when you meet a car enthusiast who disagree with you. You may not be a liberal, but your presumptive and dismissive attitude is very liberal like. Perhaps you should consider joining that party and be among other like minded people?

I have a real question. What do you get from being so rude? Does it make you feel good? Do you actually hate “liberals” that much? Do you actually walk around thinking about how judgmental liberals are of your choices? I cannot imagine that liberals or anyone else actually care that much about you or what you do. I’m serious. Don’t walk around thinking like that. It’s bad for you, it’s bad for the country. I’m sorry I can’t seem to convince you, but I really do not care about what you do. You could be a bot program for all I know. That’s how I think of other posters on this forum. And I only said that car enthusiasts like my car because all of our friends who are car enthusiasts really like my car. I don’t understand how you read so much into this.

Like most republicans, I don't hate liberals, I just have the observation that most liberals are misinformed and have not put in the requisite time and effort to learn and analyze a topic before forming a very strong opinion about it that not only affects their own decisions but they push to affect the decision of others - case in point your ideas about the lovability of electrical vehicles to any car enthusiast. I don't have to walk around thinking about this, liberals take every opportunity to remind me, down to making fun of me getting gas. So if you think that I am rude, it's because I'm pushing back on your attitude - reflect on that for a minute. You don't have to believe me if you don't want to, but Tesla's buyer base has traditionally contained a lot of well funded people who likes tech but few actual car enthusiasts. The fact that you like them and your "car enthusiast" friends like them are just anecdotes - I have no way to ascertain that they are actually car enthusiasts. You don't have to take my word for it, go google "why do car enthusiasts like tesla" and see what the top result is.

Umm... you sound like you have a huge chip on your shoulder. Shake it off. I don’t even have a Tesla nor could I really afford one but you keep talking about it.

You are calling me misinformed when all I expressed was obviously my own opinion. You just seem to be taking DCUM too seriously. This is not the place to go for serious analysis.

Again are you directing your ire at the Republican representatives who could have eliminated electric car subsidies but failed to do so?

Well now, slinking back to hide behind your opinion, except your post as captured above starts off with the factual claim "A lot of the arguments against electric cars on this thread have been false." and the proceeds to support this claim with not just your own feelings towards electric cars but what all other car enthusiasts would feel. It's too late now for you to claim that you were just expression opinion. Don't blame me for being serious when your position has been revealed to be weak, just learn your mistakes and move on. Dealing with the real world as it is and not how you think it is is how people mature out of their liberal views.

Oh yea, bad Republican representatives for not eliminating electric car subsidies, bad! Terrible! The worst!

Ok, I get it. You are not a happy person, and your method to cope is to insult and make other people as unhappy as you. It’s transparent and pretty sad. I guess if that’s what you need to do to get through your day, that’s ok. The top post was opinion, contradicting the other opinions about affordability and cost which are all subjective. Pretending that you are more clever than strangers obviously gives you something you are lacking elsewhere.

I guess what I find sad about a lot of the posters on this site is that instead of talking about policy they have to personalize everything and make it about “liberals” versus “conservatives.” I don’t really care about whether I like a person promoting a policy or whether liberals are mean or conservatives are jerks. Does it make sense to subsidize electric cars? I think it does. You can disagree. Your level of vitriol says more about you than the topic at hand.

Ha, so far in this discussion thread you've called people like me poor suckers, called me rude, questioned if I'm a bot, that I have a chip on my shoulder, conclude that I'm not a happy person, am sad, accuse me of compensating, and insinuate that I'm a jerk, and yet you are the one acting indignant as if you have any claim to a moral high ground. Go through and see if anywhere that I insulted you as a person or your personality. You won't find any, because people defending a strong position doesn't have to resort to personal attacks like you have. Enjoy your electrical vehicle.

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I'm a different electric vehicle driver but I thought I'd translate your Republican post into language we can all understand. Admittedly, I just skimmed most of your screeds, because you kept going on and on about "you liberals" like a demented grandfather... But here is what I think you said:

"You liberals don't understand anything! And now you're being mean to me because that's what you liberals do. You don't know anything and are mean! I'm just here telling you that and you keep being mean to me!! Whyyyyyy??"

Do you want a cupcake?

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Pp I am so sorry that you think the “poor suckers” comment was directed at you. I was clearly being facetious. I do kind of feel sorry for the people standing in the heat in the stinky gas station, but not in a juvenile way. Your comments have been very aggressive, and you know that. I know that you think your position is strong but I actually don’t really know what your position is. That electric cars aren’t awesome? That actual car enthusiasts don’t like them? That is your opinion. The Chevrolet bolt was the 2017 motor trend car of the year. I would assume motor trend is a magazine for car enthusiasts? Look up the bolt and people freaking love the car. There are enthusiastic reviews of them everywhere. You keep harping on and on about Tesla’s but I don’t really know anything about Teslas.

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Neither do I know anything about teslas--other electric car owner.

I'm more excited (and more prone) to make our next electric car a Volvo than a Tesla... But it won't be soon, regardless.

I'm pretty sure the 7500 deduction and various state subsidies caps out at 50k though. I know Oregon subsidies do, I just read about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a Republican and I am not in favor of anything being shoved in my face, I think I deserve the right to choose. I see all electric, self driving cars as another means of control by the left. Not interested, over time I suspect electric cars will become the norm, and that is how it should be, over time. Not government mandated, it should be a result of freedom of choice. Also, I won't purchase anything made in CA until they come back from
"crazy ville" and that may never happen.

Who's forcing you to buy an electric car? Be specific.

The Germans are moving to all electric, and as CAFE standards go higher, electrics will be the only way to meet MPG/emissions requirements since US diesel emissions requirements are insane.

Their country is tiny and they have a train system that goes everywhere.

Our country is huge and trains don’t work well outside cities. Big diff. I loved taking the train in Germany and around Europe and spent my honeymoon doing so but it’s not feasible here.

While I agree, I believe they won't be continuing development on ICE technologies in the long run. Mini for example is going all electric, and BMW is planning to do the same. China is requiring future cars to be all electric.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/11/volkswagen-to-offer-electric-versions-of-all-of-its-vehicles-by-2030/

It's going to require a lot of infrastructure development though.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of the arguments against electric cars on this thread have been false. I have a Chevy bolt and we love it. Any car enthusiast would love driving it. It was affordable even before the federal rebate and has given us no problems, but we have only had it for 9 months. But nothing about the car feels incomplete or experimental. We love it. We save $200 a month in gas and our electric bill has not really been impacted, especially since there are so many free charging stations. I love driving by the gas station and watching the poor suckers getting gas or waiting in line.

Chevy bolt weighs over 3,500 lbs which is kinda crazy for a small hatchback. While EV's can have impressive accelleration, the weight makes it less desirable for enthusiasts.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a different electric vehicle driver but I thought I'd translate your Republican post into language we can all understand. Admittedly, I just skimmed most of your screeds, because you kept going on and on about "you liberals" like a demented grandfather... But here is what I think you said:

"You liberals don't understand anything! And now you're being mean to me because that's what you liberals do. You don't know anything and are mean! I'm just here telling you that and you keep being mean to me!! Whyyyyyy??"

Do you want a cupcake?

Solid gold of a post - first you admit a lack of understanding of the discussion, then admit to not really reading it, and then based upon that lack of understanding and not even the effort to read, you then proceed to call me a demented grandfather and misrepresent what was actually said. Solid gold illustration of the liberal thought process - you don't know, you don't care enough to learn, but you have a strong opinion about it, exactly like I described previously.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp I am so sorry that you think the “poor suckers” comment was directed at you. I was clearly being facetious. I do kind of feel sorry for the people standing in the heat in the stinky gas station, but not in a juvenile way. Your comments have been very aggressive, and you know that. I know that you think your position is strong but I actually don’t really know what your position is. That electric cars aren’t awesome? That actual car enthusiasts don’t like them? That is your opinion. The Chevrolet bolt was the 2017 motor trend car of the year. I would assume motor trend is a magazine for car enthusiasts? Look up the bolt and people freaking love the car. There are enthusiastic reviews of them everywhere. You keep harping on and on about Tesla’s but I don’t really know anything about Teslas.

Why can't you just admit that you were wrong? Is this so hard? No it was not clear that you were being facetious because your entire post has a dismissive holier-than-thou attitude that your "poor suckers" comment only goes to bolster. You have now been juvenile multiple times in this discussion but refuse to acknowledge it even when called out directly. You claim to not know my position but yet your insufficient knowledge is somehow sufficient enough for you to called me a multitude of names and described my personality in derogatory terms. It's not my opinion that car enthusiasts in general don't like electrical vehicles - some do, but many do not, this is a fact and I gave you a way for you to confirm for yourself via a simple google search. Your claim that "all car enthusiasts would love" electrical vehicles is demonstrably false. It's comical that you simply refuse to admit your mistake and move on.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like taking tax money that could be spent on helping poor people and giving tax rebates/tax breaks to rich people who buy $100,000 sports cars. I also don't like the moralizing that comes from people who buy luxury electric cars, like they are somehow out there saving the world.

Rebates are only on cars under 50k. Zing.

Fake news! Check out the government's own website for more information: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml

Federal Tax Credit Up To $7,500!

All-electric and plug-in hybrid cars purchased in or after 2010 may be eligible for a federal income tax credit of up to $7,500. The credit amount will vary based on the capacity of the battery used to power the vehicle. State and/or local incentives may also apply.

These credits are for the first 200,000 cars built, then they phase out. You can still get the full $7,500 credit for all Teslas right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp I am so sorry that you think the “poor suckers” comment was directed at you. I was clearly being facetious. I do kind of feel sorry for the people standing in the heat in the stinky gas station, but not in a juvenile way. Your comments have been very aggressive, and you know that. I know that you think your position is strong but I actually don’t really know what your position is. That electric cars aren’t awesome? That actual car enthusiasts don’t like them? That is your opinion. The Chevrolet bolt was the 2017 motor trend car of the year. I would assume motor trend is a magazine for car enthusiasts? Look up the bolt and people freaking love the car. There are enthusiastic reviews of them everywhere. You keep harping on and on about Tesla’s but I don’t really know anything about Teslas.

Why can't you just admit that you were wrong? Is this so hard? No it was not clear that you were being facetious because your entire post has a dismissive holier-than-thou attitude that your "poor suckers" comment only goes to bolster. You have now been juvenile multiple times in this discussion but refuse to acknowledge it even when called out directly. You claim to not know my position but yet your insufficient knowledge is somehow sufficient enough for you to called me a multitude of names and described my personality in derogatory terms. It's not my opinion that car enthusiasts in general don't like electrical vehicles - some do, but many do not, this is a fact and I gave you a way for you to confirm for yourself via a simple google search. Your claim that "all car enthusiasts would love" electrical vehicles is demonstrably false. It's comical that you simply refuse to admit your mistake and move on.

Dude, get a life. I think I have seen your posts before- you are obsessive and parse out other people’s individual sentences to an insane degree. I think most people are familiar with the phrase “anyone would love it,” it rarely means literally each and every person on the planet would love something. This is not a legal brief and going on and on like this is just super crazy on your part. More than one person is pointing this out to you- you are being crazy.

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Ok, I get it. You are not a happy person, and your method to cope is to insult and make other people as unhappy as you. It’s transparent and pretty sad. I guess if that’s what you need to do to get through your day, that’s ok. The top post was opinion, contradicting the other opinions about affordability and cost which are all subjective. Pretending that you are more clever than strangers obviously gives you something you are lacking elsewhere.

I guess what I find sad about a lot of the posters on this site is that instead of talking about policy they have to personalize everything and make it about “liberals” versus “conservatives.” I don’t really care about whether I like a person promoting a policy or whether liberals are mean or conservatives are jerks. Does it make sense to subsidize electric cars? I think it does. You can disagree. Your level of vitriol says more about you than the topic at hand.

It does not make sense. We have private property rights in this country, whether you acknowledge them or not. That means, you don't generate a want out of this air and then reach into other people's pockets to fulfill that want.

People have a limited time on this planet. Some of that time is spent earning. Every "want" you have (and wish to impose on complete strangers at gunpoint...AKA the U.S. government) fulfilled by confiscating other worker's earnings is not legitimate.

Stop confiscating other's property because you want something. You are not owed. Get that thru your thick skull. Pay for the electric car 100% out of your own pocket and we'll have no problems.

Liberty and individual freedom is paramount above all else, and screw the collectivist mentality.

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Anonymous wrote:I am republican and an engineer. I like electric cars so long as their sales are market driven by the free market with no subsidies. If there is a market demand for them then they should make it or break it on their own without government intervention. I was against the GM bailout (primary manufacturer of fossil fueled vehicles) by the way, so I am consistent in my distaste for government intervention in the free market.

What do you think about the artificially deflated cost of gasoline in this country? If the govt puts a huge gorilla on one side of the scale, why do you have an issue with a small butterfly on the other side?

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Anonymous wrote:It won't matter what stupid, short sighted Trump voters think in regard to fracking, coal and domestic oil production in general soon. Solid state batteries promise 3 times the energy capacity that currently powers most electric cars (ie range of over 400 miles), weather protection from -50 to 150 degrees, non-combustibility, non-corrosive leaching like with liquid batteries, and minutes or seconds of required charging rather than hours. https://news.utexas.edu/2017/02/28/goodenough-introduces-new-battery-technology

Toyota has just noted they'll release a solid state battery car with two years, Volvo said their going all electric by 2019. We'll also start to see short trip autonomous electric driverless airplanes and cars soon. Basically, the writing is on the wall for oil. Of course you'll still see gas car for the next 20 years, but electric tech is ramping up so quickly every manufacturer wants a piece. You idiots who are all about drill baby drill just don't read enough. That's your problem. That and your support for an absolutely inept, toddler with a small hands complex.

That's when you get my buy-in. If I'm driving up to Cape Cod, for instance, I have no desire to spend hours at rest stops charging my car. Even at 15 minute charge per 200 miles now, there would have to be a hell of a large amount of charging stations. Even with no wait to charge, you are adding almost 3/4 hour to my trip, just to charge. I have a truck and can get up to the Cape by only filling the tank once along the way.

+1. I won’t buy an electric until we get more miles per charge and shorter time charging. However, I love my hybrid and don’t know why anyone buys gas only anymore.

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We are Republicans and have owned mostly hybrid cars because we don't support most oil producing nations and dislike that our dependence on oil forces our hand on a variety of national security issues.