Federal exodus

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just a note from a citizen in the real world who pays your salaries in the form of my (hard-earned, private sector derived) tax dollars:

Half of you would never be missed.

Federal workers pay taxes too, dunce.

No kidding. They collect three to five times as much as they pay when you figure in benefits.

It's a salary and benefits.

[Anonymous]

Federal Exodus...sounds like the name of a cringe inducing band of govt attorneys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Federal Exodus...sounds like the name of a cringe inducing band of govt attorneys.

First time I've laughed since November 8.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Federal Exodus...sounds like the name of a cringe inducing band of govt attorneys.

First time I've laughed since November 8.

You should go see Hamilton It would cheer you up

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Federal Exodus...sounds like the name of a cringe inducing band of govt attorneys.

First time I've laughed since November 8.

Lawyers...should just not play in bands. Balding bassist: you are not cool.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Federal Exodus...sounds like the name of a cringe inducing band of govt attorneys.

First time I've laughed since November 8.

You should go see Hamilton It would cheer you up

Or the play within a play starting Mike Pence, Steve Van Zandt, and stereotypical NYC theatre goers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Federal worker here. No one is leaving because of Trump, they're filling you. At my agency they were going to be retiring in the next couple of years regardless. I hope they do, we need young fresh blood who wants to take risks. Too many employees sitting there basically Retired in Place (RIP) and not doing shit or doing the minimum to get buy. They've made their high three and will be leaving with a generous retirement.

In IT, the average age of the federal worker is 55. Way, way too old to adapt new technology and move federal IT into the next wave. They don't understand technology really and won't push to implement new ideas or technologies because they fear change and are just waiting until they retire so it's not their problem.

A lot of older federal workers are irrelevant and a waste of space.

Very ageist comments, bro. Bitter about a promotion?

Can anyone ever tell the truth without you getting offended and pushing for the status quo? The way we're going isn't working.
Get that thru your f'n thick skull... and I'm not a racist or whateverist for saying so either.

I'm PP who made "ageist" comments. I speak the truth. I'm also 36 and a GS-14, almost unheard of. I got there because of cast private sector experience, took a 13 and then promoted to 14 in less than four years to a branch director. Reason being - I was young blood that took risks and implanted new programs that have raised effectiveness, efficiency, agency capabilities and along with another branch created a system that better serves our customers (the American people). That being said, we got a lot of resistance from other unit branches and agencies. We missed timelines because of their unwillingness to work with us. Eventually the agency head had to out the hammer down as we should him how our new stuff was working well in our branch and others that implemented it. But it was the old RIP people who dragged feet and played needless politics. I say fine...get the hell out of the way and move along. Let us fix this stuff. Instead our younger agency heads that are replacing former directors don't want to deal with the HR nightmare of letting people go, putting them on PIPs and so fourth. Tbey shove them into a corner like putting old useless cows out to pasture and you can't give you milk. They sit there collecting money while essentially doing nothing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Federal worker here. No one is leaving because of Trump, they're filling you. At my agency they were going to be retiring in the next couple of years regardless. I hope they do, we need young fresh blood who wants to take risks. Too many employees sitting there basically Retired in Place (RIP) and not doing shit or doing the minimum to get buy. They've made their high three and will be leaving with a generous retirement.

In IT, the average age of the federal worker is 55. Way, way too old to adapt new technology and move federal IT into the next wave. They don't understand technology really and won't push to implement new ideas or technologies because they fear change and are just waiting until they retire so it's not their problem.

A lot of older federal workers are irrelevant and a waste of space.

Very ageist comments, bro. Bitter about a promotion?

Can anyone ever tell the truth without you getting offended and pushing for the status quo? The way we're going isn't working.
Get that thru your f'n thick skull... and I'm not a racist or whateverist for saying so either.

I'm PP who made "ageist" comments. I speak the truth. I'm also 36 and a GS-14, almost unheard of. I got there because of cast private sector experience, took a 13 and then promoted to 14 in less than four years to a branch director. Reason being - I was young blood that took risks and implanted new programs that have raised effectiveness, efficiency, agency capabilities and along with another branch created a system that better serves our customers (the American people). That being said, we got a lot of resistance from other unit branches and agencies. We missed timelines because of their unwillingness to work with us. Eventually the agency head had to out the hammer down as we should him how our new stuff was working well in our branch and others that implemented it. But it was the old RIP people who dragged feet and played needless politics. I say fine...get the hell out of the way and move along. Let us fix this stuff. Instead our younger agency heads that are replacing former directors don't want to deal with the HR nightmare of letting people go, putting them on PIPs and so fourth. Tbey shove them into a corner like putting old useless cows out to pasture and you can't give you milk. They sit there collecting money while essentially doing nothing.

Curious which agency you work for. DH's doesn't have as much dead wood (and GS-14 at your age aren't uncommon at his), but there are definitely people who drag their feet and don't do stuff just because.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Federal worker here. No one is leaving because of Trump, they're filling you. At my agency they were going to be retiring in the next couple of years regardless. I hope they do, we need young fresh blood who wants to take risks. Too many employees sitting there basically Retired in Place (RIP) and not doing shit or doing the minimum to get buy. They've made their high three and will be leaving with a generous retirement.

In IT, the average age of the federal worker is 55. Way, way too old to adapt new technology and move federal IT into the next wave. They don't understand technology really and won't push to implement new ideas or technologies because they fear change and are just waiting until they retire so it's not their problem.

A lot of older federal workers are irrelevant and a waste of space.

Very ageist comments, bro. Bitter about a promotion?

Can anyone ever tell the truth without you getting offended and pushing for the status quo? The way we're going isn't working.
Get that thru your f'n thick skull... and I'm not a racist or whateverist for saying so either.

I'm PP who made "ageist" comments. I speak the truth. I'm also 36 and a GS-14, almost unheard of. I got there because of cast private sector experience, took a 13 and then promoted to 14 in less than four years to a branch director. Reason being - I was young blood that took risks and implanted new programs that have raised effectiveness, efficiency, agency capabilities and along with another branch created a system that better serves our customers (the American people). That being said, we got a lot of resistance from other unit branches and agencies. We missed timelines because of their unwillingness to work with us. Eventually the agency head had to out the hammer down as we should him how our new stuff was working well in our branch and others that implemented it. But it was the old RIP people who dragged feet and played needless politics. I say fine...get the hell out of the way and move along. Let us fix this stuff. Instead our younger agency heads that are replacing former directors don't want to deal with the HR nightmare of letting people go, putting them on PIPs and so fourth. Tbey shove them into a corner like putting old useless cows out to pasture and you can't give you milk. They sit there collecting money while essentially doing nothing.

My husband's agency has plenty of 36-year old GS-14s and even a few 15s under 40. You aren't really that special.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just a note from a citizen in the real world who pays your salaries in the form of my (hard-earned, private sector derived) tax dollars:

Half of you would never be missed.

Just a note from the world that ensures your food isn't contaminated, the flu doesn't kill you, and clean water flows into your home and private sector business: federal employees pay taxes, too.

If you want to rely on a profit-driven sector for all these basic necessities, you may be surprised by what you would miss.

Don't mean to bash the feds, but e coli kills dozens every year, the flu kills thousands and the Flint water crisis wasn't caught by the federal watchdogs either. Try again.

And don't forget our financial regulators at the SEC. Those guys are the best... outside of Enron, AIG, and Bernie Madoff, WorldCom, Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers … ...

NP, it could be so much worst. Let's try no oversight and regulations, and see what you get. There are actually countries out there with very little or no government oversight that would give you an idea of what it would look like.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Federal worker here. No one is leaving because of Trump, they're filling you. At my agency they were going to be retiring in the next couple of years regardless. I hope they do, we need young fresh blood who wants to take risks. Too many employees sitting there basically Retired in Place (RIP) and not doing shit or doing the minimum to get buy. They've made their high three and will be leaving with a generous retirement.

In IT, the average age of the federal worker is 55. Way, way too old to adapt new technology and move federal IT into the next wave. They don't understand technology really and won't push to implement new ideas or technologies because they fear change and are just waiting until they retire so it's not their problem.

A lot of older federal workers are irrelevant and a waste of space.

Very ageist comments, bro. Bitter about a promotion?

Can anyone ever tell the truth without you getting offended and pushing for the status quo? The way we're going isn't working.
Get that thru your f'n thick skull... and I'm not a racist or whateverist for saying so either.

I'm PP who made "ageist" comments. I speak the truth. I'm also 36 and a GS-14, almost unheard of. I got there because of cast private sector experience, took a 13 and then promoted to 14 in less than four years to a branch director. Reason being - I was young blood that took risks and implanted new programs that have raised effectiveness, efficiency, agency capabilities and along with another branch created a system that better serves our customers (the American people). That being said, we got a lot of resistance from other unit branches and agencies. We missed timelines because of their unwillingness to work with us. Eventually the agency head had to out the hammer down as we should him how our new stuff was working well in our branch and others that implemented it. But it was the old RIP people who dragged feet and played needless politics. I say fine...get the hell out of the way and move along. Let us fix this stuff. Instead our younger agency heads that are replacing former directors don't want to deal with the HR nightmare of letting people go, putting them on PIPs and so fourth. Tbey shove them into a corner like putting old useless cows out to pasture and you can't give you milk. They sit there collecting money while essentially doing nothing.

Odd..I was a 14 at 27 and a 15 soon thereafter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Federal worker here. No one is leaving because of Trump, they're filling you. At my agency they were going to be retiring in the next couple of years regardless. I hope they do, we need young fresh blood who wants to take risks. Too many employees sitting there basically Retired in Place (RIP) and not doing shit or doing the minimum to get buy. They've made their high three and will be leaving with a generous retirement.

In IT, the average age of the federal worker is 55. Way, way too old to adapt new technology and move federal IT into the next wave. They don't understand technology really and won't push to implement new ideas or technologies because they fear change and are just waiting until they retire so it's not their problem.

A lot of older federal workers are irrelevant and a waste of space.

Very ageist comments, bro. Bitter about a promotion?

Can anyone ever tell the truth without you getting offended and pushing for the status quo? The way we're going isn't working.
Get that thru your f'n thick skull... and I'm not a racist or whateverist for saying so either.

I'm PP who made "ageist" comments. I speak the truth. I'm also 36 and a GS-14, almost unheard of. I got there because of cast private sector experience, took a 13 and then promoted to 14 in less than four years to a branch director. Reason being - I was young blood that took risks and implanted new programs that have raised effectiveness, efficiency, agency capabilities and along with another branch created a system that better serves our customers (the American people). That being said, we got a lot of resistance from other unit branches and agencies. We missed timelines because of their unwillingness to work with us. Eventually the agency head had to out the hammer down as we should him how our new stuff was working well in our branch and others that implemented it. But it was the old RIP people who dragged feet and played needless politics. I say fine...get the hell out of the way and move along. Let us fix this stuff. Instead our younger agency heads that are replacing former directors don't want to deal with the HR nightmare of letting people go, putting them on PIPs and so fourth. Tbey shove them into a corner like putting old useless cows out to pasture and you can't give you milk. They sit there collecting money while essentially doing nothing.

wow

Where's your medal, PP, for being the savior?

Stop being an ass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Federal worker here. No one is leaving because of Trump, they're filling you. At my agency they were going to be retiring in the next couple of years regardless. I hope they do, we need young fresh blood who wants to take risks. Too many employees sitting there basically Retired in Place (RIP) and not doing shit or doing the minimum to get buy. They've made their high three and will be leaving with a generous retirement.

In IT, the average age of the federal worker is 55. Way, way too old to adapt new technology and move federal IT into the next wave. They don't understand technology really and won't push to implement new ideas or technologies because they fear change and are just waiting until they retire so it's not their problem.

A lot of older federal workers are irrelevant and a waste of space.

Very ageist comments, bro. Bitter about a promotion?

Can anyone ever tell the truth without you getting offended and pushing for the status quo? The way we're going isn't working.
Get that thru your f'n thick skull... and I'm not a racist or whateverist for saying so either.

I'm PP who made "ageist" comments. I speak the truth. I'm also 36 and a GS-14, almost unheard of. I got there because of cast private sector experience, took a 13 and then promoted to 14 in less than four years to a branch director. Reason being - I was young blood that took risks and implanted new programs that have raised effectiveness, efficiency, agency capabilities and along with another branch created a system that better serves our customers (the American people). That being said, we got a lot of resistance from other unit branches and agencies. We missed timelines because of their unwillingness to work with us. Eventually the agency head had to out the hammer down as we should him how our new stuff was working well in our branch and others that implemented it. But it was the old RIP people who dragged feet and played needless politics. I say fine...get the hell out of the way and move along. Let us fix this stuff. Instead our younger agency heads that are replacing former directors don't want to deal with the HR nightmare of letting people go, putting them on PIPs and so fourth. Tbey shove them into a corner like putting old useless cows out to pasture and you can't give you milk. They sit there collecting money while essentially doing nothing.

wow

Where's your medal, PP, for being the savior?

Stop being an ass.

You guys are taking her statements oddly personally. What gives?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Haha. Whose going to hire them?

Yeah, that is the other thing that is going unsaid. All these feds who are talking about quitting on principle - that is great but how are you gonna eat? I have a BA in regional studies, and an MA in IR. Trump would have to invade Canada for me to quit my fed job.

I could get a private sector job tomorrow. I've turned down many.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Federal worker here. No one is leaving because of Trump, they're filling you. At my agency they were going to be retiring in the next couple of years regardless. I hope they do, we need young fresh blood who wants to take risks. Too many employees sitting there basically Retired in Place (RIP) and not doing shit or doing the minimum to get buy. They've made their high three and will be leaving with a generous retirement.

In IT, the average age of the federal worker is 55. Way, way too old to adapt new technology and move federal IT into the next wave. They don't understand technology really and won't push to implement new ideas or technologies because they fear change and are just waiting until they retire so it's not their problem.

A lot of older federal workers are irrelevant and a waste of space.

Very ageist comments, bro. Bitter about a promotion?

Can anyone ever tell the truth without you getting offended and pushing for the status quo? The way we're going isn't working.
Get that thru your f'n thick skull... and I'm not a racist or whateverist for saying so either.

I'm PP who made "ageist" comments. I speak the truth. I'm also 36 and a GS-14, almost unheard of. I got there because of cast private sector experience, took a 13 and then promoted to 14 in less than four years to a branch director. Reason being - I was young blood that took risks and implanted new programs that have raised effectiveness, efficiency, agency capabilities and along with another branch created a system that better serves our customers (the American people). That being said, we got a lot of resistance from other unit branches and agencies. We missed timelines because of their unwillingness to work with us. Eventually the agency head had to out the hammer down as we should him how our new stuff was working well in our branch and others that implemented it. But it was the old RIP people who dragged feet and played needless politics. I say fine...get the hell out of the way and move along. Let us fix this stuff. Instead our younger agency heads that are replacing former directors don't want to deal with the HR nightmare of letting people go, putting them on PIPs and so fourth. Tbey shove them into a corner like putting old useless cows out to pasture and you can't give you milk. They sit there collecting money while essentially doing nothing.

I think you need to learn that your office isn't representative of most. For instance, I was a GS-15 before I was 30. Obviously, at your agency that would be very unusual. In my office, it's normal for the top half of performers. We have some support staff that are dead wood, but not professional staff. At my husband's firm, they had dead wood old partners staying on for the paycheck, though.