Federal exodus

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just a note from a citizen in the real world who pays your salaries in the form of my (hard-earned, private sector derived) tax dollars:

Half of you would never be missed.

Why don't you try going through your day cutting by half the things the government brings you and see how it goes. You can start by breathing half as much clean air and driving half as much on interstate highways.

Great. That's the half we'll keep.

[Anonymous]

Haha. Whose going to hire them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just a note from a citizen in the real world who pays your salaries in the form of my (hard-earned, private sector derived) tax dollars:

Half of you would never be missed.

Just a note from the world that ensures your food isn't contaminated, the flu doesn't kill you, and clean water flows into your home and private sector business: federal employees pay taxes, too.

If you want to rely on a profit-driven sector for all these basic necessities, you may be surprised by what you would miss.

Don't mean to bash the feds, but e coli kills dozens every year, the flu kills thousands and the Flint water crisis wasn't caught by the federal watchdogs either. Try again.

The numbers killed by e coli and the flu would be exponentially higher without the feds the you don't mean to bash, but you'd never know the number without the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. But lets randomly cut some regulations on food production and let Pharma set prices for flu vaccines and see how we fare.

By the way, the Flint water crisis went unreported because Michigan's governor, a business man who sought to use public funds for a private venture, stifled the state EPA and any other government employee who had something to say about it. It would have cost Flint about $1000 a year to add a simple agent, orthophosphate, to the water to prevent lead and copper from leaching off the pipes. But maybe business people don't know about that kind of thing. http://cen.acs.org/articles/94/i7/Lead-Ended-Flints-Tap-Water.html%20

[Anonymous]

Oh well, good luck in the private sector. We won't be hiring you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Haha. Whose going to hire them?

Yeah, that is the other thing that is going unsaid. All these feds who are talking about quitting on principle - that is great but how are you gonna eat? I have a BA in regional studies, and an MA in IR. Trump would have to invade Canada for me to quit my fed job.

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Anonymous wrote:The situation (at my agency) is that around 30% of the people are ELIGIBLE to RETIRE and are only sticking around because they like the work and their colleagues.

If even a hint of shenanigans occurs, they will just walk out the door. And if that happens, the shit. will. hit. the. fan. because a lot of these people were in the agency for decades and have a tremendous amount of institutional knowledge that they will take with them. That's how I am reading it.

Oh blah, blah, blah. If they had any integrity they would have walked out under Clinton years ago.

This is just self-soothing wankage.

Huh? I came in at the beginning of GWB. He sucked but I could still do valuable work that saves lives. I am in a highly specialized, highly skilled position. If I leave, it will reduce the good work my office can do. I will stay unless and until Trump makes me unable to do that good work.

This describes me as well. But for the first time in my career, I am thinking about cashing in and moving to the industry. I'm starting to wonder if industry resistance might be the best hope for protecting the important government program I have devoted my working life to.

Oh dear, what will we do without you.

right now, a woman in India is dancing up and down with joy

Well, sure, if you'd like India managing your mother's Medicare plan, that's great.

Uh typical thick Fed. She will hold an HB visa and replace you in the States. I have my own Medicare plan which needs no management. So what do you actually do?

Hmm. What sort of Medicare plan is "your own?" Perhaps you are enrolled in a private Medicare advantage plan. Maybe you are not aware that the MA plans are required to offer a certain set of benefits and are paid specific amounts per enrollee that are pegged to Medicare fee for service spending. And that many analysts believe that the government pays MA plans more than it should because MA enrollees aren't as sick as Medicare fee for service enrollees are. Who do you think outlines the benefits plans have to offer, makes sure they are actually offering what they say they will, determines how much the plans are paid, and tells congress they really ought to change the formula because the government is getting ripped off (which congress ignores because insurance companies are big campaign contributors)? But maybe you think the government should just write a blank check to the insurance companies, since they need no management?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh well, good luck in the private sector. We won't be hiring you.

That's incorrect.

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"But I know so much about the political situation in [insert irrelevant country here], Wall Street will be desperate to hire me", says every State Dept. officer in history.

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Anonymous wrote:The situation (at my agency) is that around 30% of the people are ELIGIBLE to RETIRE and are only sticking around because they like the work and their colleagues.

If even a hint of shenanigans occurs, they will just walk out the door. And if that happens, the shit. will. hit. the. fan. because a lot of these people were in the agency for decades and have a tremendous amount of institutional knowledge that they will take with them. That's how I am reading it.

Oh blah, blah, blah. If they had any integrity they would have walked out under Clinton years ago.

This is just self-soothing wankage.

Huh? I came in at the beginning of GWB. He sucked but I could still do valuable work that saves lives. I am in a highly specialized, highly skilled position. If I leave, it will reduce the good work my office can do. I will stay unless and until Trump makes me unable to do that good work.

This describes me as well. But for the first time in my career, I am thinking about cashing in and moving to the industry. I'm starting to wonder if industry resistance might be the best hope for protecting the important government program I have devoted my working life to.

Oh dear, what will we do without you.

right now, a woman in India is dancing up and down with joy

Well, sure, if you'd like India managing your mother's Medicare plan, that's great.

Uh typical thick Fed. She will hold an HB visa and replace you in the States. I have my own Medicare plan which needs no management. So what do you actually do?

Hmm. What sort of Medicare plan is "your own?" Perhaps you are enrolled in a private Medicare advantage plan. Maybe you are not aware that the MA plans are required to offer a certain set of benefits and are paid specific amounts per enrollee that are pegged to Medicare fee for service spending. And that many analysts believe that the government pays MA plans more than it should because MA enrollees aren't as sick as Medicare fee for service enrollees are. Who do you think outlines the benefits plans have to offer, makes sure they are actually offering what they say they will, determines how much the plans are paid, and tells congress they really ought to change the formula because the government is getting ripped off (which congress ignores because insurance companies are big campaign contributors)? But maybe you think the government should just write a blank check to the insurance companies, since they need no management?

I seriously doubt the pp got past the word "enrollee" and if they did, got stopped in their tracks at "analysts."

"Fee for service" probably sounds totally reasonable and maybe even patriotic, though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Federal worker here. No one is leaving because of Trump, they're filling you. At my agency they were going to be retiring in the next couple of years regardless. I hope they do, we need young fresh blood who wants to take risks. Too many employees sitting there basically Retired in Place (RIP) and not doing shit or doing the minimum to get buy. They've made their high three and will be leaving with a generous retirement.

In IT, the average age of the federal worker is 55. Way, way too old to adapt new technology and move federal IT into the next wave. They don't understand technology really and won't push to implement new ideas or technologies because they fear change and are just waiting until they retire so it's not their problem.

A lot of older federal workers are irrelevant and a waste of space.

Very ageist comments, bro. Bitter about a promotion?

Can anyone ever tell the truth without you getting offended and pushing for the status quo? The way we're going isn't working.
Get that thru your f'n thick skull... and I'm not a racist or whateverist for saying so either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just a note from a citizen in the real world who pays your salaries in the form of my (hard-earned, private sector derived) tax dollars:

Half of you would never be missed.

Federal workers pay taxes too, dunce.

No kidding. They collect three to five times as much as they pay when you figure in benefits.

[Anonymous]

We have a numbers problem folks. The outflows are not in line with the inflows and eventually, the laws of economics says you're cooked.

Something needs to change (like close to half the country not paying income tax and some even getting money back from the IRS). This math isn;'t working and you can't tax your way out of it, especially when we're a country with one of the highest individual and corporate tax rates already. Doesn't work in a global economy. Wake up!

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Anonymous wrote:Just a note from a citizen in the real world who pays your salaries in the form of my (hard-earned, private sector derived) tax dollars:

Half of you would never be missed.

Just a note from the world that ensures your food isn't contaminated, the flu doesn't kill you, and clean water flows into your home and private sector business: federal employees pay taxes, too.

If you want to rely on a profit-driven sector for all these basic necessities, you may be surprised by what you would miss.

Don't mean to bash the feds, but e coli kills dozens every year, the flu kills thousands and the Flint water crisis wasn't caught by the federal watchdogs either. Try again.

The numbers killed by e coli and the flu would be exponentially higher without the feds the you don't mean to bash, but you'd never know the number without the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. But lets randomly cut some regulations on food production and let Pharma set prices for flu vaccines and see how we fare.

By the way, the Flint water crisis went unreported because Michigan's governor, a business man who sought to use public funds for a private venture, stifled the state EPA and any other government employee who had something to say about it. It would have cost Flint about $1000 a year to add a simple agent, orthophosphate, to the water to prevent lead and copper from leaching off the pipes. But maybe business people don't know about that kind of thing. http://cen.acs.org/articles/94/i7/Lead-Ended-Flints-Tap-Water.html%20

No they wouldn't be exponentially higher. The government can't possibly inspect the entire food supply or even a fraction of it. They just make you think they do. Businesses like Chipotle and Walmart know they can be sued and possibly put of of business if they allow tainted food to be sold. One of the biggest ground beef processors was put out of business a few years ago due to an ecoli outbreak. The food inspectors didn't prevent it or catch it until it was too late. Food processors and sellers, and their insurers police themselves for the most part. They are their own watchdogs due to self-preservation. The CDC just investigates and tallies up the figures when screw-ups happen. Private lawyers and insurers serve the same function. Same with flu vaccines. The flu vaccine last your largely didn't work. Oops, but no consequences The Flint comment is also an example of the government pretending to protect water safety when all they actually do is respond after the fact. Flint and Michigan would have figured this out this on their own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh well, good luck in the private sector. We won't be hiring you.

So many things wrong in two short sentences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We have a numbers problem folks. The outflows are not in line with the inflows and eventually, the laws of economics says you're cooked.

Something needs to change (like close to half the country not paying income tax and some even getting money back from the IRS). This math isn;'t working and you can't tax your way out of it, especially when we're a country with one of the highest individual and corporate tax rates already. Doesn't work in a global economy. Wake up!

To whom are you speaking, and about what?