Asian-American Groups Accuse Brown, Dartmouth, and Yale of Bias in Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight:

- some white people complain that there are too many Asian Americans in universities
- some white people complain that African Americans only get into elite universities because of affirmative action
- some white people complain that Hispanics are taking their jobs

Is there any group of people that white people don't complain about taking from them?

It's the Asian Americans filing the complaint correct? Not the white, black or Hispanic groups. It's the Asian Americans complaint that this thread is focused.

Correct.

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White racists and antisemites fear those who are perceived as a threat to their status. They do not feel particularly threatened,in the academic realm,by African Americans and Latinos, judging by their championing of affirmative action. Asians and (to reach back in time) Jews: another matter.

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I'm white and I saw this this morning

http://www.vox.com/2016/5/22/11704756/affirmative-action-merit

Really opened my eyes on some stuff

Still think holistic admissions is the way to go

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I posted earlier and I wasn't suggesting that Asians were not creative, etc. My point is that they SOMETIMES have the same interests, same majors, etc. Differentiation is key for all races.

This. I just went to a middle school band and string concert. 90% of the violin players are Asian. Less than 50% of the other strings players are Asian. 10% of the band students are Asian (and they all play the flute). Why strings vs band (and especially violin)? And why only the flute? No idea. To me, playing a musical instrument is important, but I let my kids choose which one. I've never seen that a violin has more intrinsic value than a cello or a clarinet. But for some reason that is how the Asian kids in DC's school tracks. And since this school feeds TJ, believe that 80% of the Asian kids are developing a deep passion for STEM. Also, fine, but colleges need literature majors too. I have no problem with colleges having lots of qualified Asian students. I do have a problem if 80% of the student body consists of violin playing STEM students-- especially if those students have no real passion for STEM or the violin. Asian cultures often value homogeny. American colleges place an emphasis on diverse backgrounds and experiences. An Asian parent who wants to send a kid to Yale might do well to let their child pursue genuine interests, especially if they are unique and different.

Agree!

It's violin or private lessons for piano. Asian children learn piano too. Don't forget piano.

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Rich white people, legacies,etc., can find their way around any policy. So long as their offspring are not rejected, they don't care, one way or the other, about affirmative action or holistic admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm white and I saw this this morning

http://www.vox.com/2016/5/22/11704756/affirmative-action-merit

Really opened my eyes on some stuff

Still think holistic admissions is the way to go

I don’t think “what white people want" has anything to do with what the admissions committees at the Ivies are looking for in building their class every year. Different perspectives.

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lol are you serious

Even ivies are motivated by getting more money

Who do you think donates the most to the schools..... follow the money

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'll be even more blunt

This isn't Korea or China or India

The score on your test isn't what matters most here

Harvard could take all perfect SAT scores if they wanted.... but they don't

HOLISTIC Admissions

Holistic admissions is just a palatable way to justify discrimination.

It's also all that PC nonsense run amok. Someone who has perfect SAT scores shouldn't lose out to a guy who wore a dress to his prom and lists it as his major accomplishment/hook on his application. That's just
ludicrous. This is why other countries laugh at America and hate us.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think most Asians would object to SES-based A Action admission policy. It's the skin color based admission policy that gives me heartburn.

Me too. And I say this an underrepresented minority parent, so I'm not just some butthurt white person. I am uncomfortable with the fact that my children, whose parents are lawyers and make lots of money and can afford to live in a great school district, have kids play sports/do lessons/travel/be tutored/etc. and basically have every advantage that comes along with being affluent in the US get a boost in college admissions as opposed to say, the poor rural white kid, simply because of their ethnicity.

I am all for SES based affirmative action, but do not agree with race-based.

Granted my oldest is only entering 9th grade next year, so I have some time to ponder this.

The poor white kid has a great advantage in life if he's not stating at a screen with z pretend social life on it and being ferried to canned/staged activities all the time. Odds are the poor white kid will have s job early on too. The poor white kid will have better social and problem solving skills and perhaps mental health even (if he had a happy non abusive childhood despite being poor).

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If it is OK to limit the number of qualified Asian Americans into elite universities using holistic admissions, then why wasn't it ok years ago when Harvard went this route to limit the number of Jews? Why do we look back on that time and shake our heads, and we all agree it was terrible for Harvard to do this, but then think it's fine today to do this very same thing to a different group of people?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think most Asians would object to SES-based A Action admission policy. It's the skin color based admission policy that gives me heartburn.

Me too. And I say this an underrepresented minority parent, so I'm not just some butthurt white person. I am uncomfortable with the fact that my children, whose parents are lawyers and make lots of money and can afford to live in a great school district, have kids play sports/do lessons/travel/be tutored/etc. and basically have every advantage that comes along with being affluent in the US get a boost in college admissions as opposed to say, the poor rural white kid, simply because of their ethnicity.

I am all for SES based affirmative action, but do not agree with race-based.

Granted my oldest is only entering 9th grade next year, so I have some time to ponder this.

The poor white kid has a great advantage in life if he's not stating at a screen with z pretend social life on it and being ferried to canned/staged activities all the time. Odds are the poor white kid will have s job early on too. The poor white kid will have better social and problem solving skills and perhaps mental health even (if he had a happy non abusive childhood despite being poor).

The poor white kid has a great advantage in life if he's not [/b]staring[b] at a screen with a pretend social life on it and being ferried to canned/staged activities all the time. Odds are the poor white kid will have s job early on too. The poor white kid will have better social and problem solving skills and perhaps mental health even (if he had a happy non abusive childhood despite being poor).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:lol are you serious

Even ivies are motivated by getting more money

Who do you think donates the most to the schools..... follow the money

Yup. We are white people who cannot buy a library. Our DC is smart, accomplished and hard working . As she is not an Olympic athlete not has she started a non profit yet and we can't contribute to the school DC has no chance at an Ivy League education. No chance.
If you look at the scatter plots for who gets into those schools a huge number of rejected applicants have perfect test scores and grades.

We do realize that someone has to fund those schools.

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The list of organizations organizations is a joke. It doesn't include any of the major Asian American organizations - Japanese American Citizens League, Organization of Chinese Americans, Korean American Coalition, National Asian Pacific American Bar Association, U.S. Pan Asian American Chamber of Commerce, Asian Pacific American Chamber of Commerce (APACC),
Asian American Legal Defense & Education Fund (AALDEF), Asian American Journalists Association (AAJA), etc.

This was cooked up and funded by an organized WHITE anti-affirmative action folks using Asian-Americans as cover. I love that the first complainant is "Custom Mansions Owner Association of Diamond Bar." HAHAHAHA

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Stuff white people like

aka stuff yuppies like

aka stuff kids of most DCUM posters like (whether white or not)

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Anonymous wrote:^ there are literally hundreds of these accepts/rejects posts on CC. not sure if hand-picking 3 examples to fit your point proves anything.

Take it any way you want, twist and distort any way you want. I could care less. Bottom line is that the holistic method works and affords an opportunity to those who would never get a shot IF used properly.

You can victimize all you want but the bottom line is that there are just so many seats, no one race is getting all of them, and I applaud the holistic approach. Otherwise the Asian student would not have been accepted over other Asians with PERFECT scores of which there are many.

Finished.

I hope the Asians now attending Ivies get involved with activities. I went to an Ivy with lots of Asians but most contributed very little to the campus atmosphere. All most did was study. A few were better assimilated and actually got involved with things, but most might as well have taken distance-learning classes.

And how many Asians did you actually hang out with? I went to an Ivy in a very elite program where three quarter were Asians. No one was involved in a lousy fraternity where people drank too much, but we did all sorts of activities ranging from business associations to women's groups to acapella groups. Now we are all top finance/law/start up/hedge fund professionals. Do we threaten you?

You bored me then, and it sounds like you're just as boring now. Please don't try to ruin our schools - and, yes, our ancestors founded them, not yours - any more than you have already. I'm sure there are schools in China where you can learn to code, hack websites, and short mortgage bonds.

Sorry vague insults like that are beneath my time. However racism is a good look for you, keep wearing it as you fade into irrelevance.

Yet, you have no problem insulting others. Your self-righteousness falls on deaf ears.