Sanders can't win the general election--why are people so blind to that?

[Anonymous]

It's interesting that some people here have such a strong need to idealize Sanders, as though he's the Second Coming. I wonder who those people are and whether they see everything in such black and white terms.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:His tax plan is asinine. Most people earning less that 50k a year would be harshly affected by it. That plan alone will kill his chances.

That is totally incorrect. The people who would feel the bite would be those 250k and up. People under 50k would be most harshly affected by a flat tax or national sales tax.

You obviously have not looked at the plan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that some people here have such a strong need to idealize Sanders, as though he's the Second Coming. I wonder who those people are and whether they see everything in such black and white terms.

He is and will be dastardly imperfect. But perfect is the enemy of the good. Sanders supporters see a long road ahead, but you have to start somewhere...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that some people here have such a strong need to idealize Sanders, as though he's the Second Coming. I wonder who those people are and whether they see everything in such black and white terms.

He is and will be dastardly imperfect. But perfect is the enemy of the good. Sanders supporters see a long road ahead, but you have to start somewhere...

Ok, but where? Where do you even start?

He believes a justice can overturn Citizens United. That tells a lot about how well thought out this plan is

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that some people here have such a strong need to idealize Sanders, as though he's the Second Coming. I wonder who those people are and whether they see everything in such black and white terms.

He is and will be dastardly imperfect. But perfect is the enemy of the good. Sanders supporters see a long road ahead, but you have to start somewhere...

Ok, but where? Where do you even start?

He believes a justice can overturn Citizens United. That tells a lot about how well thought out this plan is

Bloody hell, look at the alternatives: HRC or a GOPper.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His tax plan is asinine. Most people earning less that 50k a year would be harshly affected by it. That plan alone will kill his chances.

That is totally incorrect. The people who would feel the bite would be those 250k and up. People under 50k would be most harshly affected by a flat tax or national sales tax.

You obviously have not looked at the plan.

I did. And I looked at various peoples' analyses. For example, Ezra Klein's team over at Vox messed up the payroll tax part of their calculations.

[Anonymous]

If enough people are blind to 'it's impossible' than it becomes possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that some people here have such a strong need to idealize Sanders, as though he's the Second Coming. I wonder who those people are and whether they see everything in such black and white terms.

He is and will be dastardly imperfect. But perfect is the enemy of the good. Sanders supporters see a long road ahead, but you have to start somewhere...

Ok, but where? Where do you even start?

He believes a justice can overturn Citizens United. That tells a lot about how well thought out this plan is

Bloody hell, look at the alternatives: HRC or a GOPper.

Um, I believe when one interviews for a job, one needs to know how to do the job. Between this and his foreign policy knowledge, I find a very viable alternative in HRC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that some people here have such a strong need to idealize Sanders, as though he's the Second Coming. I wonder who those people are and whether they see everything in such black and white terms.

He is and will be dastardly imperfect. But perfect is the enemy of the good. Sanders supporters see a long road ahead, but you have to start somewhere...

Ok, but where? Where do you even start?

He believes a justice can overturn Citizens United. That tells a lot about how well thought out this plan is

I think the alternative of just shrugging our shoulders, continuing the status quo, and allowing Citizens United to turn the United States into a corporatist-run plutocracy is untenable and unacceptable and counter to our Founding Fathers' intent. It HAS to be overturned. By whatever means necessary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that some people here have such a strong need to idealize Sanders, as though he's the Second Coming. I wonder who those people are and whether they see everything in such black and white terms.

He is and will be dastardly imperfect. But perfect is the enemy of the good. Sanders supporters see a long road ahead, but you have to start somewhere...

Ok, but where? Where do you even start?

He believes a justice can overturn Citizens United. That tells a lot about how well thought out this plan is

It only won by one vote. Replace one of those Justices (or show a conflict of interest) and the Court could over rule itself, would not even need a Constitution ammendment (but given the growing outrage of the public that may happen first).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that some people here have such a strong need to idealize Sanders, as though he's the Second Coming. I wonder who those people are and whether they see everything in such black and white terms.

He is and will be dastardly imperfect. But perfect is the enemy of the good. Sanders supporters see a long road ahead, but you have to start somewhere...

Ok, but where? Where do you even start?

He believes a justice can overturn Citizens United. That tells a lot about how well thought out this plan is

I think the alternative of just shrugging our shoulders, continuing the status quo, and allowing Citizens United to turn the United States into a corporatist-run plutocracy is untenable and unacceptable and counter to our Founding Fathers' intent. It HAS to be overturned. By whatever means necessary.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that some people here have such a strong need to idealize Sanders, as though he's the Second Coming. I wonder who those people are and whether they see everything in such black and white terms.

He is and will be dastardly imperfect. But perfect is the enemy of the good. Sanders supporters see a long road ahead, but you have to start somewhere...

Ok, but where? Where do you even start?

He believes a justice can overturn Citizens United. That tells a lot about how well thought out this plan is

Bloody hell, look at the alternatives: HRC or a GOPper.

Um, I believe when one interviews for a job, one needs to know how to do the job. Between this and his foreign policy knowledge, I find a very viable alternative in HRC.

Clinton and the GOPpers aren't even acknowledging the full scope of the job, much less how to do it. Do you see anyone else outing PhRMA, for example? Anyone?

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/drug-industry-launches-ad-campaign-aimed-at-lawmakers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that some people here have such a strong need to idealize Sanders, as though he's the Second Coming. I wonder who those people are and whether they see everything in such black and white terms.

He is and will be dastardly imperfect. But perfect is the enemy of the good. Sanders supporters see a long road ahead, but you have to start somewhere...

Ok, but where? Where do you even start?

He believes a justice can overturn Citizens United. That tells a lot about how well thought out this plan is

Bloody hell, look at the alternatives: HRC or a GOPper.

Um, I believe when one interviews for a job, one needs to know how to do the job. Between this and his foreign policy knowledge, I find a very viable alternative in HRC.

Clinton and the GOPpers aren't even acknowledging the full scope of the job, much less how to do it. Do you see anyone else outing PhRMA, for example? Anyone?

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/drug-industry-launches-ad-campaign-aimed-at-lawmakers

That's funny, as he seems to completely forget about drug companies during debates.


Also,

"Clinton's plan targets big pharmaceutical companies with hopes to stop them from spending government grants on advertising and to allow the government to negotiate down the cost of prescription drugs. Does Clinton still have ties with big pharma companies? Her plan makes it pretty clear that those connections are probably long gone.

Lowering the costs of prescription drugs is one of the ways Clinton hopes to "build on" President Barack Obama's Affordable Care Act. Clinton's plan "would eliminate corporate write-offs for direct-to-consumer advertising" that "can include confusing, misleading, or incomplete information or exaggerated claims if not regulated effectively," according to a fact sheet on the plan that Clinton's aides shared with CNN. The plan would also require drug companies that receive government money for research to invest "a sufficient amount" of that money into research if they expect to continue receiving funds; additionally, it would limit the amount of money that patients under the ACA can spend monthly to cover out-of-pocket prescription drug costs to $250, according to CNN."

And before you start speculating, Obama has received large donations from pharmaceutical companies, and I do not see him especially beholden to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that some people here have such a strong need to idealize Sanders, as though he's the Second Coming. I wonder who those people are and whether they see everything in such black and white terms.

He is and will be dastardly imperfect. But perfect is the enemy of the good. Sanders supporters see a long road ahead, but you have to start somewhere...

Don't worry, the road won't be that long. I give it until Super Tuesday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that some people here have such a strong need to idealize Sanders, as though he's the Second Coming. I wonder who those people are and whether they see everything in such black and white terms.

He is and will be dastardly imperfect. But perfect is the enemy of the good. Sanders supporters see a long road ahead, but you have to start somewhere...

Ok, but where? Where do you even start?

He believes a justice can overturn Citizens United. That tells a lot about how well thought out this plan is

Bloody hell, look at the alternatives: HRC or a GOPper.

Um, I believe when one interviews for a job, one needs to know how to do the job. Between this and his foreign policy knowledge, I find a very viable alternative in HRC.

Clinton and the GOPpers aren't even acknowledging the full scope of the job, much less how to do it. Do you see anyone else outing PhRMA, for example? Anyone?

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/drug-industry-launches-ad-campaign-aimed-at-lawmakers

Clinton seems to have had some success, but the pharmaceutical industry--at least a few months ago--indicated there was no real plan other than asking Big Pharma to "volunteer" drug price roll-backs. Unless the industry is regulated or (B's end-goal plan, and what most other nations do) the Feds negotiate prices en-mass a-la single payer plan, this industry will continue to run amok. http://www.nysun.com/national/clinton-destroying-billions-in-shareholder-value/89305/