Sanders can't win the general election--why are people so blind to that?

[Anonymous]

I just don't get it. The Republican slate is awful. Awful, awful, awful. Why are we not focusing on beating whoever their candidate will be? Sanders has NO chance of getting the votes to win. He is a self-proclaimed socialist who apparently doesn't believe in God (something about spirituality). Who honestly cares whether it's Sanders or Clinton, as long as it's not Trump, Cruz, Rubio, or any other of the front runners?

And for those who really think Sanders will change things, are you that naive? He can't get elected and he could not implement the changes he claims he can bring about. I feel like the entire country has lost its goddamn mind.

[Anonymous]

So the main reason I should vote for Hillary is that Sanders can't win?

[Anonymous]

This is why a vote for Sanders is better than a vote for Hillary: http://www.scribd.com/doc/298403032/Sanders-v-Clinton

(and why a vote for Hillary is not that different from a vote for an establishment Republican)

[Anonymous]

Here's the thing with the establishment folks: they are invested in maintaining the status quo, in rewarding the system that got them there. So no, I do not believe that Hillary will break up the banks, take money out of politics, fight for campaign finance reform, increase the minimum wage, work for fair wages, get rid of tax loopholes for the 1%, etc.

[Anonymous]

Sanders will win if enough people vote for him. But I have no doubt that the Democratic "establishment" is doing everything they can to keep him from winning.

OP, this is serious business now. Sanders has to win in order to clean up the Democratic party and the Republican party. No one else is willing to try to do it. NO ONE. Our political system is fraudulent and corrupt. They know it, I know it, many many people know it. When you know it, you'll vote for Bernie, too.

Until he is defeated, he's got my vote. And when he is, the Dems will have a very angry and activated voter constituency base on their hands. Hopefully the Republican base will be, too. The Tea Party was a (weird, wobbly) start, but the Koch brothers pretty much bought them up and have them in their pockets, at this point.

Good.

[Anonymous]

I don't want to tell people how to vote:

My personal opinion is that BS is too far left to appeal to independents, who are generally moderate. And you can't win an election without independents. Obama was a breath of fresh air, but he was definitely moderate and a pragmatist. Ultimately, I would be happy with any Democrat, but if Republicans decide to go with someone who appear more moderate, we are in trouble. And no, I don't believe in polls at this stage in the game

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the main reason I should vote for Hillary is that Sanders can't win?

Yes. Exactly. I for one can't tolerate Trump, Cruz, Rubio, or any of the other front runners. And defeating them is my goal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sanders will win if enough people vote for him. But I have no doubt that the Democratic "establishment" is doing everything they can to keep him from winning.

OP, this is serious business now. Sanders has to win in order to clean up the Democratic party and the Republican party. No one else is willing to try to do it. NO ONE. Our political system is fraudulent and corrupt. They know it, I know it, many many people know it. When you know it, you'll vote for Bernie, too.

Until he is defeated, he's got my vote. And when he is, the Dems will have a very angry and activated voter constituency base on their hands. Hopefully the Republican base will be, too. The Tea Party was a (weird, wobbly) start, but the Koch brothers pretty much bought them up and have them in their pockets, at this point.

Good.

How will he clean it up? How can POTUS accomplish that? You know he's not the Messiah, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing with the establishment folks: they are invested in maintaining the status quo, in rewarding the system that got them there. So no, I do not believe that Hillary will break up the banks, take money out of politics, fight for campaign finance reform, increase the minimum wage, work for fair wages, get rid of tax loopholes for the 1%, etc.

Tell me how Sanders as POTUS can do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the main reason I should vote for Hillary is that Sanders can't win?

Yes. Exactly. I for one can't tolerate Trump, Cruz, Rubio, or any of the other front runners. And defeating them is my goal.

So the only thing going for Hillary is this claim that she can beat the Republicans? THAT is it?

Yeah, I'm not throwing my vote away on her. I will vote for the candidate I believe in. I am not naive enough to think he will achieve everything he promises. But I believe he will work for it. And these issues are at the core of what is ailing this country.

[jsteele]

Here are the current poll averages from Real Clear Politics:

Clinton v Trump: Clinton +4.0
Clinton v Cruz: Cruz +1.0
Clinton v Rubio: Rubio +5.0

Sanders v Trump: Sanders +7.7
Sanders v Cruz: Sanders +1.5
Sanders v Rubio: Rubio +1.5


Sanders does better than Clinton in every match up. So, I think your premise may not be correct

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing with the establishment folks: they are invested in maintaining the status quo, in rewarding the system that got them there. So no, I do not believe that Hillary will break up the banks, take money out of politics, fight for campaign finance reform, increase the minimum wage, work for fair wages, get rid of tax loopholes for the 1%, etc.

Tell me how Sanders as POTUS can do that.

I know he will try to find a way to do it. I don't know how. But he won't owe favors to the people corrupting the political system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sanders will win if enough people vote for him. But I have no doubt that the Democratic "establishment" is doing everything they can to keep him from winning.

OP, this is serious business now. Sanders has to win in order to clean up the Democratic party and the Republican party. No one else is willing to try to do it. NO ONE. Our political system is fraudulent and corrupt. They know it, I know it, many many people know it. When you know it, you'll vote for Bernie, too.

Until he is defeated, he's got my vote. And when he is, the Dems will have a very angry and activated voter constituency base on their hands. Hopefully the Republican base will be, too. The Tea Party was a (weird, wobbly) start, but the Koch brothers pretty much bought them up and have them in their pockets, at this point.

Good.

No, he will not. I'm talking about the general election, the one where the country picks a president. Your post perfectly exemplifies how out of touch Sanders' supporters are.

[Anonymous]

Sanders may not accomplish campaign finance, banking reform, or anything else. But I'm telling you, NO ONE ELSE is taking these issues on with any level of seriousness. No one.

[Anonymous]

It's interesting how primary voters in both parties seem to be sick to death of the establishment and are looking to outsiders to save the country -- Sanders and Trump.