Hush on skin tone. Got it. Red Line attack-take 3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I offered solutions in the deleted thread. In a nutshell:

Criminal mischief should result in immediate enlistment in the military. No go home and pack. Hold them and arrange for immediate enlistment. No second chances. First offense and you're gone. Unless you scare these kids they will not change. Their parents will not (or have tried and failed) to raise them to be productive members of society. Jailing them results in hardened criminals so it makes a bad situation worse.

-AA woman here who realizes that there is no redeeming some kids without immediate swift and harsh action.

I think you're on to something. Immediate consequences. It's the only remedy.

It really is the only answer. You can save some with enrichment programs but the vast majority of these kids (who are violent prone) aren't interested in that sort of stuff. No mentor/big brother program will fix it. Arresting them just creates another generation of fatherless children (because many of these teens/young adults have children). I think the military would be an excellent resource to rehabilitate delinquents.

And again I ask you, since the earlier thread was deleted, why do you feel that military service is punishment? And how would our military be affected by including all these young people who are forced to be there and don't want to serve?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I offered solutions in the deleted thread. In a nutshell:

Criminal mischief should result in immediate enlistment in the military. No go home and pack. Hold them and arrange for immediate enlistment. No second chances. First offense and you're gone. Unless you scare these kids they will not change. Their parents will not (or have tried and failed) to raise them to be productive members of society. Jailing them results in hardened criminals so it makes a bad situation worse.

-AA woman here who realizes that there is no redeeming some kids without immediate swift and harsh action.

Honestly, I think this shows a lot of disrespect for the men and women in uniform. We don't need violent criminals filling the ranks of our armed forces, particularly as so much of the job of an enlisted soldier is to engage with civilians in war zones. That you think the military - a proud tradition with many qualified and educated Americans - should be treated as a de facto penal colony shows how much you think of the armed forces.

I thought that too. They should make a special division for criminal offenders. They can be on the front line in the war zones. They can be given the most undesireable jobs that won't give them opportunities to mingle with civilians. Sort of like military jail.

[Anonymous]

Not so much punishment, as a system of structure, accountability, and with a path to success.

But I agree with the pp that this would be unfair to the "real" enlistees.

And the first time one of these felt "disrespected" they would lose their shit, and go to jail anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I offered solutions in the deleted thread. In a nutshell:

Criminal mischief should result in immediate enlistment in the military. No go home and pack. Hold them and arrange for immediate enlistment. No second chances. First offense and you're gone. Unless you scare these kids they will not change. Their parents will not (or have tried and failed) to raise them to be productive members of society. Jailing them results in hardened criminals so it makes a bad situation worse.

-AA woman here who realizes that there is no redeeming some kids without immediate swift and harsh action.

Honestly, I think this shows a lot of disrespect for the men and women in uniform. We don't need violent criminals filling the ranks of our armed forces, particularly as so much of the job of an enlisted soldier is to engage with civilians in war zones. That you think the military - a proud tradition with many qualified and educated Americans - should be treated as a de facto penal colony shows how much you think of the armed forces.

I thought that too. They should make a special division for criminal offenders. They can be on the front line in the war zones. They can be given the most undesireable jobs that won't give them opportunities to mingle with civilians. Sort of like military jail.

+1

I like this idea - makes free room and board that much less appealing.

Can we at least talk about how unhelpful Metro is (on a good day), to the point of being anti-helpful, and how they had an obligation to the victim, here?

Sadly, I also agree with the PP who claimed in jest: "nothing to see here - this is all a conspiracy, I tell you!" Because I have seen that attitude in this area too often. Thank you for pointing it out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I offered solutions in the deleted thread. In a nutshell:

Criminal mischief should result in immediate enlistment in the military. No go home and pack. Hold them and arrange for immediate enlistment. No second chances. First offense and you're gone. Unless you scare these kids they will not change. Their parents will not (or have tried and failed) to raise them to be productive members of society. Jailing them results in hardened criminals so it makes a bad situation worse.

-AA woman here who realizes that there is no redeeming some kids without immediate swift and harsh action.

Honestly, I think this shows a lot of disrespect for the men and women in uniform. We don't need violent criminals filling the ranks of our armed forces, particularly as so much of the job of an enlisted soldier is to engage with civilians in war zones. That you think the military - a proud tradition with many qualified and educated Americans - should be treated as a de facto penal colony shows how much you think of the armed forces.

I thought that too. They should make a special division for criminal offenders. They can be on the front line in the war zones. They can be given the most undesireable jobs that won't give them opportunities to mingle with civilians. Sort of like military jail.

Nah, just put them to work in chain gangs. That should take care of them. Why make the military responsible for reforming a bunch of miscreants? They have enough of a responsibility as it is.

[Anonymous]

Reform school run military type guys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about socioeconomic status? Because that draws an unfortunate line between races in this city, but certainly it's the main factor.

No one here cares about that. Jail the thugs! Because jails work so well to prevent crime!

Yes, they do. See, e.g, the past 20 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reform school run military type guys.

*run by

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I offered solutions in the deleted thread. In a nutshell:

Criminal mischief should result in immediate enlistment in the military. No go home and pack. Hold them and arrange for immediate enlistment. No second chances. First offense and you're gone. Unless you scare these kids they will not change. Their parents will not (or have tried and failed) to raise them to be productive members of society. Jailing them results in hardened criminals so it makes a bad situation worse.

-AA woman here who realizes that there is no redeeming some kids without immediate swift and harsh action.

Honestly, I think this shows a lot of disrespect for the men and women in uniform. We don't need violent criminals filling the ranks of our armed forces, particularly as so much of the job of an enlisted soldier is to engage with civilians in war zones. That you think the military - a proud tradition with many qualified and educated Americans - should be treated as a de facto penal colony shows how much you think of the armed forces.

On the contrary, I think it shows a tremendous amount of confidence in their ability to rehabilitate and reform. We're not talking about enlisting hardened criminals but rather ones caught on a first offense. Obviously, if you've murdered someone, committed armed robbery or committed rape, off to jail you go. I'm talking about some of the less severe criminal acts that can lead to more serious crime later in life, if left unchecked.

And I've got news for you...plenty of soldiers behaving in foreign lands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I offered solutions in the deleted thread. In a nutshell:

Criminal mischief should result in immediate enlistment in the military. No go home and pack. Hold them and arrange for immediate enlistment. No second chances. First offense and you're gone. Unless you scare these kids they will not change. Their parents will not (or have tried and failed) to raise them to be productive members of society. Jailing them results in hardened criminals so it makes a bad situation worse.

-AA woman here who realizes that there is no redeeming some kids without immediate swift and harsh action.

I think you're on to something. Immediate consequences. It's the only remedy.

It really is the only answer. You can save some with enrichment programs but the vast majority of these kids (who are violent prone) aren't interested in that sort of stuff. No mentor/big brother program will fix it. Arresting them just creates another generation of fatherless children (because many of these teens/young adults have children). I think the military would be an excellent resource to rehabilitate delinquents.

And again I ask you, since the earlier thread was deleted, why do you feel that military service is punishment? And how would our military be affected by including all these young people who are forced to be there and don't want to serve?

I answered your question. It's not about punishment, but behavior correction.

You seem to think that millions of kids are going to end up in this sort of enlistment. Hell, no. Once they realize the consequences are harsh, swift and real, you'll start to see a dramatic change. It's because of second chances and loose laws that cause these kids to think they're above the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I offered solutions in the deleted thread. In a nutshell:

Criminal mischief should result in immediate enlistment in the military. No go home and pack. Hold them and arrange for immediate enlistment. No second chances. First offense and you're gone. Unless you scare these kids they will not change. Their parents will not (or have tried and failed) to raise them to be productive members of society. Jailing them results in hardened criminals so it makes a bad situation worse.

-AA woman here who realizes that there is no redeeming some kids without immediate swift and harsh action.

Honestly, I think this shows a lot of disrespect for the men and women in uniform. We don't need violent criminals filling the ranks of our armed forces, particularly as so much of the job of an enlisted soldier is to engage with civilians in war zones. That you think the military - a proud tradition with many qualified and educated Americans - should be treated as a de facto penal colony shows how much you think of the armed forces.

I thought that too. They should make a special division for criminal offenders. They can be on the front line in the war zones. They can be given the most undesireable jobs that won't give them opportunities to mingle with civilians. Sort of like military jail.

No. In fact, hell no. This isn't about putting people on the front line, where death awaits them. It's about rehabilitation and behavior correction. If you treat it like jail, you aren't fixing behavior but, instead, creating resentful adults.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not so much punishment, as a system of structure, accountability, and with a path to success.

But I agree with the pp that this would be unfair to the "real" enlistees.

And the first time one of these felt "disrespected" they would lose their shit, and go to jail anyway.

It wouldn't be unfair at all. There are millions of "real enlistees" who enlisted because they were in a hopeless place and could see no other path to moving forward in their lives. But, after years of structure and discipline, they turn out for the better (by and large). Same could happen here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I offered solutions in the deleted thread. In a nutshell:

Criminal mischief should result in immediate enlistment in the military. No go home and pack. Hold them and arrange for immediate enlistment. No second chances. First offense and you're gone. Unless you scare these kids they will not change. Their parents will not (or have tried and failed) to raise them to be productive members of society. Jailing them results in hardened criminals so it makes a bad situation worse.

-AA woman here who realizes that there is no redeeming some kids without immediate swift and harsh action.

Honestly, I think this shows a lot of disrespect for the men and women in uniform. We don't need violent criminals filling the ranks of our armed forces, particularly as so much of the job of an enlisted soldier is to engage with civilians in war zones. That you think the military - a proud tradition with many qualified and educated Americans - should be treated as a de facto penal colony shows how much you think of the armed forces.

I thought that too. They should make a special division for criminal offenders. They can be on the front line in the war zones. They can be given the most undesireable jobs that won't give them opportunities to mingle with civilians. Sort of like military jail.

Nah, just put them to work in chain gangs. That should take care of them. Why make the military responsible for reforming a bunch of miscreants? They have enough of a responsibility as it is.

Incarceration does nothing. How will putting baby criminals around hardened adult criminals benefit them? Other than, having these criminal adult men play a father figure to these fatherless kids and they, in turn, learn to be better criminals? I'd rather the father figure be a man in a military uniform.

The military is all about turning boys into men. They would be excellent at turning young teens around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:4) it was rush hour. ... Could nobody help the man/call for help sooner?

I dunno, but if I were there I sure as f*** wouldn't get near a group of 10 teens in this city.

Seriously!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I offered solutions in the deleted thread. In a nutshell:

Criminal mischief should result in immediate enlistment in the military. No go home and pack. Hold them and arrange for immediate enlistment. No second chances. First offense and you're gone. Unless you scare these kids they will not change. Their parents will not (or have tried and failed) to raise them to be productive members of society. Jailing them results in hardened criminals so it makes a bad situation worse.

-AA woman here who realizes that there is no redeeming some kids without immediate swift and harsh action.

Honestly, I think this shows a lot of disrespect for the men and women in uniform. We don't need violent criminals filling the ranks of our armed forces, particularly as so much of the job of an enlisted soldier is to engage with civilians in war zones. That you think the military - a proud tradition with many qualified and educated Americans - should be treated as a de facto penal colony shows how much you think of the armed forces.

+1